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Apr 07, 2008, 07:39 PM // 19:39
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Forge Runner
Join Date: Feb 2006
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Zaishen Keys (blanked guild out, don't wanna get in trouble with the mod's again :'() Now, please, do NOT tell me they are a "noob" HA guild... They are most definatly not the best HA-guild, but they are "good" when it comes down to pressuring... Their build has a Fire Ele (I think, or water, not sure), the Mesmer, 2 warriors AND a earth ele... Yes, a earth ele with eruption and other anti-rspike stuff... Look how fast the spikes were on the rspikes side... Believe me when I say this: that is a VERY bad rspike. It's a bloodspike guild (Now they run A/D tough, after nerf) and they run rspike in HA faily. From my personal experience with them in HoH, I know for a fact they have a bad caller (r3-6 ish) and they are quite uncoordinated. (Besides 3-2-1, which they can do flawlessly) I posted this screenie because this clearly is a high pressure build. You probably won't get much more pressure in a a balanced build than this one. (Taking into concideration you actually want to stay competitive in HoH) Bad play on [Keys] I gues? See, you can't keep on hiding behind the "bad" play excuse. And even so, you can't ignore the fact that ever since the first spike (On mesmer again) they lost the game already... (The mesmer WAS pre-protted with prot-spirit fyi, but it's a total of 10 packets of dmg + vamps...) |
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Apr 07, 2008, 07:44 PM // 19:44
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Pre-Searing Cadet
Join Date: Jan 2007
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They should stick to GvG.
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Apr 07, 2008, 07:53 PM // 19:53
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Wilds Pathfinder
Join Date: Apr 2006
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This is beginning to get quite silly now Killed u man, can you please stop posting screenshots of other teams losing to rangerspike? You will only turn this thread into edrama, the last page already filled with it.
I'm going to refer this thread to moderation, im pretty sure people in these guilds wouldnt be pleased to hear you posting pics of them losing in HA. Whats the point of you blanking out their names and guild name if you just identify them by tag in your post. The thread could potentially host a good discussion, you seem intent on ruining your own thread. Simply ridiculous. |
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Apr 07, 2008, 08:21 PM // 20:21
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Forge Runner
Join Date: Feb 2006
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You "can" beat rspike with enough pressure. Or simple U "can" beat rspike.... Like, I keep giving good arguements, but people just refuse to accept the fact that I AM right on this one. (Don't try to proof me wrong, it will end up in a yes/no conversation) Look at 99% of the threads on guru (discussion), and they can all be brought down to a basic Yes/No conversation. -YES SHADOWSTEPPING IS BROKEN -NO IT'S NOT BROKEN -YES IT IS -NO IT ISN'T ... (Replace Shadowstepping with any keyword that has been argued about on guru) BUT, in the end, it comes down to what actually happens in a practical situation. Everyone says Sway is overpowered, yet I barely ever see good teams loose to them. It's not overpowered, it's overplayed. (I myself also sometimes make these mistake incorectly calling it overpowered) And it's the same for this thread. Atleast I can proof my arguements with actual in-game situations that happen daily. That's why I post screenies... Kyp said high pressure could beat it, please, by ALL means, post me a screenie of a good rspike getting ROLLED by a high-pressure team, 1 on 1... Yes, rolled, because once again, if you're lucky enough, ANY team can beat a good rspike if they're not paying attention... Once again, in the end, it comes to the basic Yes/No arguement, which I am breaking by posting actual proof. Not just random numbers, or "What-If" situation, no SLAM, you just got pwned by a picture, hard proof... |
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Apr 07, 2008, 08:24 PM // 20:24
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Academy Page
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Noreg
Guild: Steel Phoenix[StP]
Profession: Rt/A
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I just wanna say, i was playing prot monk for fish (no one cares if people know who it was anyway) yesterday when we lost to rspike in the mentioned game. And i am pretty terrible at saving casterspikes. Also we stood in a horrible place in a big ball.
(Still doesn't mean that rspike isn't OP) |
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Apr 07, 2008, 08:52 PM // 20:52
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Wilds Pathfinder
Join Date: Apr 2006
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You should approach your posts concerning skill balance in that realisation. Present your argument as well as you can so that IF someone from Anet reads it they will gain a good overview of the situation. You are truly ruining your own thread by arguing with die hard ranger spikers or people who will just come on and simply say ''beat rspike with pressure'' without elaborating on how. Some posters have elaborated on it, some havent. Ignore those who havent and try to encourage discussion with those who did. Your screenshots dont even carry much weight. Like Oln and his guild says, they werent even playing at their best capacity, they own up to their own mistakes, do you see them QQing about losing to rspike? The second screenshot you posted shows a very one dimensional build, its all dmg pressure with only 1 mesmer for disruptive pressure. Not to mention they have no passive mitigation of an rspikes spike. If they have aegis it would be rended or interrupted or rigored on the spike. Fire nukers can only pressure bad rspike teams that dont spread out, or on maps where the rspike has little room to spread out. Fetid ground is a great map for rspike, because of the open ground, AoE will not be that effective as a pressure tool against them, especially when you consider the natural resilience rangers have against elemental damage. So even IF we consider your screenshots as part of the discussion you did not present good enough examples anyway. I find it completely ridiculous that you blank out the entire details of the ranger spike teams yet you dont even bother to extend the same courtesy to the balanced teams who lost. Regardless of whether the guilds in question care whether you used them as examples in this way, its totally unacceptable. It only makes you sound like you would do ANYTHING to convince others of your position. If you hadnt even bothered to notice yourself, a few posters had even begun to switch their positions towards thinking that some aspects of rspike needed changing. But for some reason you found it necessary to ignore them and carry on with your stupid crusade to prove that not even ''good'' balanced teams can beat rspike. This thread can be closed, it should have been closed pages and pages ago. The problem with rspike is not that its unbeatable. The problem with rspike is the same problem we experienced with almost every gimmick build in tombs/HA, everyone starts running it because its allows players to punch above their weight and demands balanced teams to play an almost flawless match when they face it. The buffs the build has recieved over the last year or so has made the build more accessible to the masses, THAT is wat needs changing. A blanket nerf of the build is NOT needed. Now please someone close this thread. |
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Apr 07, 2008, 08:54 PM // 20:54
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Desert Nomad
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Toronto, Canada
Profession: R/
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Apr 07, 2008, 08:54 PM // 20:54
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Jungle Guide
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: California
Guild: None
Profession: Mo/N
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All I'm basically hearing in this thread is that "lol its hard to beat good teams who run a rspike build." ANY spike build run by a good team is hard to beat. It's always been like this. |
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Apr 07, 2008, 09:31 PM // 21:31
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Jungle Guide
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: USA
Guild: Lack of Talent [Luck]
Profession: P/
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My monk tells me killing shit is the best monk support in the game. Sure cry is nice but death is better =P
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Apr 07, 2008, 09:36 PM // 21:36
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Ascalonian Squire
Join Date: May 2006
Profession: Me/
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You guy's are pretty funny... and oh so ignorant. You all managed to call r-spike complete and totall GODMODE.
How about you do it for some other builds aswell? You gonna cry if some balanced build whoops your ass over and over? You do realise its totally player based on the r-spikes or balanced builds. And on the pressure builds. If you play a pressure build but can't pressure, go buy lessons at GWuniversity.com! (as in mocking you, not as in the guild - i just heard theres an actual guild called that) And u all managed to nicely ignore Motoko's post near the start, when clearly he finished this entire thread already with his replies. This is no pro/con r-spike thing anymore. This is who can flame against it the most kinda thread, amusing - yet useless. Noticed how the people that do manage to beat r-spike keep quiet most of the time on this thread? Exept for some minor post to laugh at all the flaming here? <- i'll be sitting on the spectators bench laughing at this, and if mods would be smart, they will close this as Dragons already said. This entire thread has become utterly useless. And you're trying to convince everyone that r-spike is imba, how about u start on a couple of other builds aswell, instead of focussing ur hate at the 1 build that manages to own you. Ciao Ciao ~ /laugh at u all trying to be serious in this thread Last edited by Scary Something; Apr 07, 2008 at 09:45 PM // 21:45.. |
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Apr 07, 2008, 10:45 PM // 22:45
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I like yumy food!
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Where I can eat yumy food
Guild: Dead Alley [dR]
Profession: Mo/R
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So like what's the point of this thread? Are there solutions proposed if you really think it's that overpowered, or is this just flame wars on who has the better HA team?
I was told to look at this thread, but there's really no content. Enlighten me. Oh, and oversized images make my firefox ANGRY. One more thing: Fish has an awesome guild name. No trashtalking them |
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Apr 07, 2008, 11:08 PM // 23:08
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Academy Page
Join Date: Mar 2008
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So, i was going to make a huge as post with all kinds of quotes and good stuff, proving how wrong every single one of you that think r-spike and the a/d r-spike is over powered. Instead i am going to say a few words.
Get a better prot monk. Ha callers are bad and don't even use the suppress action key. Learn to you weapon of warding and cancel key skills. Stop hiding your whole team behind walls, the good r-spikes that u actually have to worry about will make u come out to play anyway, they are good for a reason. If your mesmer cant shut down a 3 monk line with no other defence, hes really bad, get a new one (one 14 sec ward foes does not count, they don't have the nrg for it anyway). Learn to pressure, r-spike cracks so easy if u save the first 3-4 spikes. But most of all, there are atm 3 good r-spikes, Scary's, Power's, and Cleos' (spelling) any other one is shit, sorry. Those r-spike, you wont beat. Any other r-spike, learn to pressure and play the game right. R-spike wins relic and cap points off of peoples stupidity, not the flexibility of the build. Split it hard and right, stop using the same tactics you always do, and u just might win. R-spike is far from being over powered, stop QQing about a build because it beats you and you are to dumb/bad/ignorant to counter it. Lrn2Gw |
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Apr 08, 2008, 12:03 AM // 00:03
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Jungle Guide
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: SPAWN CAMPING YOUR HOUSE
Guild: We Speed Clear H O H [ HsC]
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It's powerful, but not impossible to beat. I think you are pushing it a bit. Correct me if I'm wrong (Haven't HAed in a long long time) The bow for Rspike is still the vamp hornbow correct? Take down FW and their shots could be dodged. Last edited by some guy; Apr 08, 2008 at 12:26 AM // 00:26.. |
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Apr 08, 2008, 12:37 AM // 00:37
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Forge Runner
Join Date: Feb 2006
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The point of this thread is the point of ANY thread in the PvP section... Hoping a dev would read it in order to balance it. Sigh, here we go with the massive quoting: Quote:
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If you have 100 overpowered builds, they arn't a problem. Simply because there is 99 counters to every build... If you nerf 99 of those builds, that last build will become a problem... Quote:
If a balanced build rolls me over and over again, I will start speccing my build so I can anti it... Problem has been said before, but I gues you really are the ignorant person, if you want to focus on countering Rspike (So U atleast have >50% chance of winning) you pretty much lost all utility and in HoH they will still outplay with the ammount of Snares,... Who manages to beat rspike every time? I would love his IGN, AND some screenies. Because yesterday I bought a new Ferrarri, and went to my Villa on Hawaii with my 20 hot bit(hes who I got to pimpslap ALL night... (Yes, PROOF, anyone can claim random stuff) There is more OP builds, please, quote me where I said Rspike was the ONLY OP build? It's the MOST OP build... Some Basic Logic: Everything Else < OP-builds OP-builds < MOST OP build So MOST OP build > ALL... In others words, tome the MOST OP build down first before you touch the rest. Quote:
On top of that, arrows are projectiles (You obviously forget that for a second, but hey, I'm here to remind you) and thus protting it pre-spike is near-impossible. So wait, Our Victory is dependant on how good our Prot's ping is and on how clean the enemy's spike is? Yeah, what was I thinking, offc. rspike isn't overpowered... Once again, WHAT is this "pressure" you talk about... I find it amusing that this arguement keeps comming back... "Pressure them down"! Bloodspike is OP! -No It's not, just pressure them down- Ritspike is OP! -No It's not, just pressure them down- BlaBlaBla is OP! No It's not, just pressure them down- WHAT do you think my intire point is? The fact that U CAN'T and U WON'T unless they want you to... 3 Savage Shots, 3 LR, 1 Dshot, Snares on the Warrior, Vital and 3 Monks. WHERE does your pressure come from? Also, are U saying we ALL should run 2 Warriors, some Paragon's, An Apply Ranger in order to beat ritspike? If that is so, than my point, once again, is proven, because never before (Not even with bspike/ritspike) did one have to take so many counters for just 1 build. On top of that, with that ammount of Physicals, Gl beating sway... "Split Hard"- Rambo Style you mean? Next time I'll face an Rspike on UW, I'll split hard, kk? *looks at the map objectives* *looks again and wonders wtf the guy even posted that on the forum* *starts to realize splitting is off no use on this maps* *starts to realize that splitting is off no use in 4 maps, which is 50% of the maps to HoH* I have a higher winning % against rspike on these maps aswell. Even against Cleo's, ... Simply because they are quite uncoordinated... This is intirely my point: When I face them on cap points, I can beat them easily (It's them who suck tough, because Rspike has build advantage aswell on Cap-Points), simply because killing isn't all what it's about... Last edited by Killed u man; Apr 08, 2008 at 12:41 AM // 00:41.. |
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Apr 08, 2008, 12:49 AM // 00:49
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Academy Page
Join Date: Mar 2008
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B-spike and Rt-Spike are different stories. And something i'm not going to discuss, the fact is they have 8 healers and in the case of bloodspike it is unprotable. Your really dumb and ignorant trying to compare the two. I'm so sry that u can't beat sway or r3+ balance and the only map on in HA u know is UW. Stop using it for ur arguments. UW obviously favors r-spike, and cap point maps favor splittable builds. Again stop using single, idiot reasons behind ur argument. And isn't 50% then fair? (Oh an last i checked r-spike is at a disadvantage 2/3 times in halls.) The reason the pressure argument keeps coming back is simply because thats what u have to do. Stop QQing because RT spike the only thing ur good at got nerfed. Lrn2Gw u scrub. PS. Scary's r-spike doesn't use forked arrow, vital, or d-shot.. HOW DO THEY WIN!?! Couldn't be that they are just better then u. Could it? |
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Apr 08, 2008, 12:50 AM // 00:50
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Ascalonian Squire
Join Date: May 2006
Profession: Me/
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Borat dont be silly, you're the one whos ignorant. Look at all your posts, all the good players are laughing at you. It's just too hilarious, this entire thread is a big joke. And ask a.net to give u back shields up. You can't pressure so ye...
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Apr 08, 2008, 12:55 AM // 00:55
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Wilds Pathfinder
Join Date: Apr 2006
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Its starting to look like you enjoy having a rant about something regardless of whether you need to rant about it or not. In which case this thread really is pointless.
You had people actually engaging with you and trying to come up with constructive comments on what needs changing yet you seem more interested in verbally jousting with posters who come on to bait you into repeating points you made in your original post over and over again. Dont you see it? Youre ruining your own thread. You want this thread to give a message out to Anet, stop arguing that rspike is overpowered over and over and over. Start engaging with your own issue with the build and come up with reasons why you think its overpowered and then come up with suggestions you think will fix it. If you enjoy responding to every poster who comes on here to say ''rspike is not overpowered learn2play'' be my guest but you really arent achieving anything by encouraging people to post screenshots of teams losing to rspike. How many pages has this thread been going now... yet you seem as far away from a constructive solution to the problem than you were on the first page. Filter out the crap and engage with the posters who are trying to engage with you for a change. You might get somewhere. |
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Apr 08, 2008, 12:59 AM // 00:59
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Academy Page
Join Date: Mar 2008
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Apr 08, 2008, 01:04 AM // 01:04
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I like yumy food!
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Where I can eat yumy food
Guild: Dead Alley [dR]
Profession: Mo/R
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If you think it's overpowered, propose a list of solutions and people will discuss that.
As for this thread, I'll conclude it with a picture since you guys love it so much |
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