Curse

TaCktiX · Apr 17, 2008, 09:36 PM // 21:36

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Originally Posted by Ate of DK

You still wonder why?
This game is rated 12+. Which means that a lot of kids play as well. And when they paid for a game they should be allowed to go everywhere. Meaning you got to give the kids something as well in HA. You can't expect a bunch of 14-16 year olds to play very co-ordinated with TS/Vent. They also have homework, parents and limited times to play. So Anet gave them a "button smashing build" that allows them to get an emote.

I know at least 2 dozen 14-16 year olds who hate SWay with a passion. Don't bring age into the discussion.

wuzzman · Apr 17, 2008, 10:22 PM // 22:22

This thread should end with this;

I play legoway, i need sway to be nerfed so i can get past UW

zoombini · Apr 18, 2008, 12:55 AM // 00:55

I looked on the official wiki notes about noticed skill updates. SWAY seems pretty much unaffected (just a little tickle to the ritualist ancestors/splinter/flesh/dps). The updates aren't on the main updates page yet, either they are slow or the update wasn't meant to go into effect yet.

Sol Deathgard · Apr 18, 2008, 06:38 AM // 06:38

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Originally Posted by Horace The Great

I don't care if it is easy to beat, to face sways all the time is just boring.

So you would rather face Balanced all the time?

Shock war
PD mes
RC Prot
HB infuse
SH ele
Paragon with shouts for relic runs
Water ele snare

Facing that all the time would get boring too. How about this, instead of bitching about it, if it's so damn easy to beat, think of it as free fame. Face the truth, 95% of HAers don't care about balanced, they want their build all powerful, & everything else nerfed to hell.

Horace The Great · Apr 18, 2008, 11:17 AM // 11:17

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Originally Posted by Sol Deathgard

So you would rather face Balanced all the time?

Shock war
PD mes
RC Prot
HB infuse
SH ele
Paragon with shouts for relic runs
Water ele snare

Facing that all the time would get boring too. How about this, instead of bitching about it, if it's so damn easy to beat, think of it as free fame. Face the truth, 95% of HAers don't care about balanced, they want their build all powerful, & everything else nerfed to hell.

umh, saying that facing sway all the time is boring, does not mean I want to face that all the time. How did you made that conclusion?

I want to face differtent builds, although I rather face "legoway" all the time then sway, even if that gets boring.

Kyp Jade · Apr 18, 2008, 01:58 PM // 13:58

The difference between facing balance and facing sway is in the fight itself. When you face sway, there can be only 1 tactic they use against you, and that is hope traps and spirits offer enough pressure that 3 R/Ds can score kills.

Balanced builds arent so inflexible, in fact, against a lot of fights where its two high ranked balanced teams vs each other, winning the match often comes down to making strange calls, things that can change the roll of say, your water ele mid battle. Or instructing your mesmer to get on this target, then to switch real fast to this one on a certain call. Thigns like having your snare rit use grasping earth to pop the hexbreaker on a monk so your mesmer can land a shame.

Those kind of fights are the fun fights.

wuzzman · Apr 18, 2008, 03:49 PM // 15:49

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Originally Posted by Kyp Jade

The difference between facing balance and facing sway is in the fight itself. When you face sway, there can be only 1 tactic they use against you, and that is hope traps and spirits offer enough pressure that 3 R/Ds can score kills.

Balanced builds arent so inflexible, in fact, against a lot of fights where its two high ranked balanced teams vs each other, winning the match often comes down to making strange calls, things that can change the roll of say, your water ele mid battle. Or instructing your mesmer to get on this target, then to switch real fast to this one on a certain call. Thigns like having your snare rit use grasping earth to pop the hexbreaker on a monk so your mesmer can land a shame.

Those kind of fights are the fun fights.

those matches existed 2 years ago when people played HA for HA not for fame. now it's just a race to see which PD mesmer interrupts flesh of my flesh first. basically matches look like this,

123
arg he rezed
123
arg he rezed
123
arg RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing pd interrupted flesh of my flesh resign before they get the ghost

Zabe · Apr 18, 2008, 05:22 PM // 17:22

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Originally Posted by Hiru

Any group with an experienced caller (and a decent build of course) can easily beat Sway. However, I do agree its shit. I do also think, Anet my be using sway for "unrankies" to get rank quick and beat the elitism.

So Sway is a problem by the community for the community. If noone started this elitism, rankism as it my be known, probably gimmick build would all be nerfed/unplayable, but still make it possible of unrankies to rank.

I hate Sway, but I hate elitism, and i'd rather have Sway than more elitism.

Before I get flamed "you are a stupid unranked noob". 1st I'm just trying to help out. 2nd I dont play HA, im core in a GvG guild. 3rd I have r3 (which is crap i know) but i have r8/9 friends who can get me into parties. Again, im not bragging, just not getting flamed.

Cheers

Just for your info, your "elitism" and "rankism" was already known over 2 years ago. That one single word "elitism" is only used by scrubs who don't understand that people will have to have some barricades to block scrubs from better teams. Like you do in guilds (and in pve, you know, r10 ursanway etc ;;;;o)

Also, word "elitism" is used by people who can't face that they are too bad to play with good people. Ofcourse, rank might mean nothing, but it is the only way to show that you have played Ascent.

supa tim · Apr 18, 2008, 10:03 PM // 22:03

First of all: i know rank doesnt mean much but for my post its easier to assume it means all.

Ok rank 9+ teams should winn from Sway easily, but its just unfare a rank 6+ balanced loses from a rank 3+, mayb even unranked Sway. This is because Sway is so more easy to play and to winn with it. And its also annoying those rank 3's who get rank 6 fast they want to play balanced (let's assume rank means shit again) they cant play anything decent coz they have been playing Sway all the time so their PvP skills suc. And we all hate pugs who have same rank as you but they just suc in HA.

Dallcingi · Apr 18, 2008, 10:12 PM // 22:12

shutdown rit gg qq moar

supa tim · Apr 18, 2008, 10:14 PM // 22:14

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Originally Posted by Dallcingi

shutdown rit gg qq moar

Its easy for u to say since u prolly have been playing HA/PvP in general for over 2 years, so u know what to do etc. So are you the 1 leading all the other teams who havent played longer then 1 year?

Randvek · Apr 18, 2008, 10:56 PM // 22:56

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Originally Posted by DreamWind

Solution? Buff old HA gimmicks so there are a lot of pug builds floating around (instead of just 1). If you nerf sway I can 100% guarantee you it won't solve anything other than killing the pug population.

How sweet would HA be if Escapeway, Zergway, VIMway, Ritspike, etc. etc. were all viable at the same time? Frickin' sweet, that's what. Gimmicks usually have a hard time with other gimmicks, so it should lead to some interesting matches.

supa tim · Apr 18, 2008, 11:10 PM // 23:10

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Originally Posted by Randvek

How sweet would HA be if Escapeway, Zergway, VIMway, Ritspike, etc. etc. were all viable at the same time? Frickin' sweet, that's what. Gimmicks usually have a hard time with other gimmicks, so it should lead to some interesting matches.

Do u know what the purpose of the game is?

FUN! 95% of the people playing HA forgot that a long time ago, so they start playing gimmicks to get fame.
Thats why most people stopped playing HA

Zaiden · Apr 19, 2008, 12:11 AM // 00:11

The point of this thread isnt to argue about sway being easy to counter, sway being free fame. (we all know it is already). But some people don't actually play for a wacky, stupid emote, we play a game. Games shouldn't be a burden, but most likely a palce to have fun (first reason why I quitted WoW = grinding = not fun= me dont want to pay for no fun = me quitting=me facing sway over and over=me tired of gw=me goes buy another game (that's basically why most veterans quitted, they are bored of a game(wich is understandable, three years of the same thing is kinda boring, indeed))

Sorry for so much ()

llsektorll · Apr 19, 2008, 02:32 AM // 02:32

I'm working on guide how to beat sway.... I hope to have it up by tomorrow on the Strategy Guide to Heroes Ascent thread. I a lot of people ask me why I made this thread. It is because the current stickied thread "How to Play HA" isn't about how to play HA at all, its more about the prerequisites of HA.

Trevor The Wave · Apr 25, 2008, 05:56 AM // 05:56

i heard weapon of warding is good.

Kyp Jade · Apr 25, 2008, 01:43 PM // 13:43

sektor, I dont think anyone needs to know how to beat sway, but if you could make a thread, that makes sway go away, we would all love you

Killed u man · Apr 25, 2008, 03:57 PM // 15:57

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Originally Posted by Kyp Jade

sektor, I dont think anyone needs to know how to beat sway, but if you could make a thread, that makes sway go away, we would all love you

Psst, Kyp, you think we can give the QQ'ers a hint?

3 R/D's
2Trappers

2 people wanding > 2 Trappers

3 R/D's

1 Snare > 3 R/D's...

I managed, with my team, to stay alive for over 10 minutes with only a 2 monk backline, and No retardgons... (DA was balanced I hurd)
IF you have 2 people dedicated to wanding, and I mean HARDCORE wanding, not a monk for example (Who will have to heal), but a fire ele or something. (Something that can brainlessly spam)
In the current meta, there is enough lol-bars that can be run at full efficiency with half a brain... cel...
E.G.: Fire Ele, Any kind of non-snare ele, rit spammer, any retardgon bar, curses necro, ...

That means you should have 4 people left (2 monking, 2 wanding/spearing). 1 frontline and 1 mesmer who can't occupy themselves with damage shutdown.

That leaves U with 2 players who can fully focus on making it as hard as possible for the 3 r/d's. (Some of my guildies actually activly bodyblock the R/D's, somethimes for over half a minute... Bodyblock > C-space)

Don't QQ about a build that's "overrun", QQ about a build that's overpowered. (Look at my QQ threadzz plz)

N1ghtstalker · Apr 25, 2008, 04:25 PM // 16:25

wanna do something about sway?
make a teambuild that counters it

Kyp Jade · Apr 25, 2008, 04:26 PM // 16:26

Casters that you use for damage are crap at wanding, they can do one or the other good, not both. If you ask them to do both dont expect them to get every trap, especially when they use block stances.

Snares arent needed for R/Ds, just something to protect the monks channeling is all you need.

The pressure from the build, comes from
monks reliance on channeling and the ease R/Ds can time the removal
BIG damage from R/D
Traps
Spirits

The problem killing the build
5 guys with block stances
2x weapon of warding
5 guys with harm armor against elemental

Killing it just takes time, although extreme degen will destroy them pretty quick, but those things usually fail against balanced. Olias as tainted > sways

Just attack thier sources of pressure your build has trouble dealing with, N/Rts have crap emanage if you keep all the spirits down as soon as they come up. The targets will die soon enough, and its like dominoes after because N/Rts are already under pressure.