Curse

aotdsyndrome · Apr 17, 2008, 07:59 AM // 07:59

Sway is really poisoning HA atm. There is NO variety! I've practically ONLY played ranger since i started GW, so I have no problem entering a sway team, but its just.... so... boring... and skill-less

Please, variety! Rspike! IV! Lego! anything :'(

Hope I'm not the only one who's fed up with sway.

Experienced · Apr 17, 2008, 08:16 AM // 08:16

Lol. There's a long list of ppl who probaly are... Sway is boring >.< Easy counter is to run Ineptitude Spammers.. Or an SS for pwnage

But then you have that bloody ritualist >.<

kranius · Apr 17, 2008, 08:49 AM // 08:49

wand traps, shutdown rit, hit N/Rts = win

sway is a pressure build, just kill what deals pressure (i.e traps + splinter/warmonger), and rape healers.

N/Rt can't take pressure

btw they pack 3 hard rez, just interrupt them

legacyofkain85 · Apr 17, 2008, 09:10 AM // 09:10

legoway should have no trouble againts them,2 paragons each one should stay on the trappers while the pd mesmer camps the rit.No presure from trappers,splinter and warmoger makes it alot easier to take the down not to mention legoway has a powerful snare in the team

Alex the Great · Apr 17, 2008, 10:17 AM // 10:17

I know this build is powerful, but standard melee counters still apply!!!!
Has any1 noticed that we have been QQing over builds with lots of physicals for a loooong time.

Iway, Spiritway (o noes, teh rangers got hammers!!), sinway, and now sway
i know there's more, i just forgot (-_-)

Horace The Great · Apr 17, 2008, 10:41 AM // 10:41

I don't care if it is easy to beat, to face sways all the time is just boring. And I think that if you have a sway against you in KotH then sway is a little overpowerd.

Nightmares Hammer · Apr 17, 2008, 12:09 PM // 12:09

Why are you complaining? Free fame.

Oukanna · Apr 17, 2008, 12:14 PM // 12:14

Some people dont want to farm the fame, they want to play for fun, since sway gets boring and everyone seems to be doing it...the fun goes

I would love to make fun builds to play in HA but it's hard to find people willing to try them

kranius · Apr 17, 2008, 12:14 PM // 12:14

because it is really annoying to face sway so often

Hiru · Apr 17, 2008, 12:58 PM // 12:58

Any group with an experienced caller (and a decent build of course) can easily beat Sway. However, I do agree its shit. I do also think, Anet my be using sway for "unrankies" to get rank quick and beat the elitism.

So Sway is a problem by the community for the community. If noone started this elitism, rankism as it my be known, probably gimmick build would all be nerfed/unplayable, but still make it possible of unrankies to rank.

I hate Sway, but I hate elitism, and i'd rather have Sway than more elitism.

Before I get flamed "you are a stupid unranked noob". 1st I'm just trying to help out. 2nd I dont play HA, im core in a GvG guild. 3rd I have r3 (which is crap i know) but i have r8/9 friends who can get me into parties. Again, im not bragging, just not getting flamed.

Cheers

shoogi · Apr 17, 2008, 01:25 PM // 13:25

Yeah but the problem is, let's say sway gets whacked in the next skill balance. Will that result in everyone running 'legitimate' builds? no, that will result in another gimmick fotm rising up and taking over. Why? because 95% active HAers don't give a damn about skill or fun they want fame, and playing those so called 'legitimate' builds with pugs will result in failure, while playing cheap gimmicks with pugs is more successful.

Dwarf Teh Guru · Apr 17, 2008, 01:25 PM // 13:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by kranius

wand traps, shutdown rit, hit N/Rts = win

sway is a pressure build, just kill what deals pressure (i.e traps + splinter/warmonger), and rape healers.

N/Rt can't take pressure

btw they pack 3 hard rez, just interrupt them

He ain't asking for a strategy to beat a sway team, he's just QQing that there is no other build to run. (eventhough there are)

And yes, i do agree that it's annoying to fight against one, but there is plenty of other builds people run aswell.

The fact is, people want quick fame, so why would u run an organized legoway (for example) if u can run sway instead? Most matches last for less than 3-4min.

Maybe you should just try a different build yourself, there is plenty of them out there. (you even mentioned some of them yourself: IV Spike / AD spike / Ritspike / Rspike / Bspike / Para Spike / Shockwave Spike / Eoe Bomb / Hex Pressure / Legoway / etc...etc...)

Killed u man · Apr 17, 2008, 02:25 PM // 14:25

What dwarf said, aswell as:

STOP QQ'ing ABOUT SWAY... There is far more OP builds out there, worse even, R/D is by far the easiest counterable build ever. ANY snare + 2 people designated to wanted trappers = win...

@aot:

Why do U want Anet to make U a new OP build? So what you're asking for, is a nerf to sway, so U can run a different button-bash? I fail to see the point in that? (Well, atleast meta gets shifted, but button-bash = button-bash, it's not fun anyways)

Instead, try this: Buy a mic. Find a public vent, buy one even (8.99$ a month for one with a 12 man cap I think).
Spam this in HA: R3+ *** LF more!
***: IV-spike, Ritspike, Shockwavespike, Legoway, ...

You're better off learning to call yourself now, than leeching off other callers...
If you want to play different builds as hard as you say you want it, then do it? o.0

jonnieboi05 · Apr 17, 2008, 02:55 PM // 14:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Killed u man

What dwarf said, aswell as:

STOP QQ'ing ABOUT SWAY... There is far more OP builds out there, worse even, R/D is by far the easiest counterable build ever. ANY snare + 2 people designated to wanted trappers = win...

@aot:

Why do U want Anet to make U a new OP build? So what you're asking for, is a nerf to sway, so U can run a different button-bash? I fail to see the point in that? (Well, atleast meta gets shifted, but button-bash = button-bash, it's not fun anyways)

Instead, try this: Buy a mic. Find a public vent, buy one even (8.99$ a month for one with a 12 man cap I think).
Spam this in HA: R3+ *** LF more!
***: IV-spike, Ritspike, Shockwavespike, Legoway, ...

You're better off learning to call yourself now, than leeching off other callers...
If you want to play different builds as hard as you say you want it, then do it? o.0

agreed.

rather than coming here cryn', take action; form a group of your own. you'll get better results, i promise.

~LeNa~

yakuza · Apr 17, 2008, 06:37 PM // 18:37

i just love it when ppl complain about sway, instead of doing exactly what borat said

Ate of DK · Apr 17, 2008, 07:10 PM // 19:10

I mentioned this in another thread as well:

I think that people should create own groups that don't play "sway" when they dislike the build and consider it boring. Offcourse they will take long to "nerf" this build and afterwards it gets replaced by the next "c-space" build.

You still wonder why?
This game is rated 12+. Which means that a lot of kids play as well. And when they paid for a game they should be allowed to go everywhere. Meaning you got to give the kids something as well in HA. You can't expect a bunch of 14-16 year olds to play very co-ordinated with TS/Vent. They also have homework, parents and limited times to play. So Anet gave them a "button smashing build" that allows them to get an emote.

The (more) adult players would tell you that "sway" is free fame once you find a group that sticks together and plays something different (every) night.
The fame you make exceeds that of an "sway" quickly if you play well.

Removing builds like "iway", "ViM" or "Bunny-spiritway" will result in nothing more than the next "c-space-build". And honestly... the way 99% plays "sway" at this moment... it can't get any closer than "free-fame".

Ate

Kyp Jade · Apr 17, 2008, 07:10 PM // 19:10

Quite frankly I've quit GW because of sway
I've made at least 2k fame from killing sway groups, so dont think I cant beat it

Sway is by far the most boring incarnation of lameway there is to face, but the lousy thing about sway, is you cant do several things to the build.

Pressure the frontline, not unless you bring wild blow, which sucks on a warrior

Condition pressure, they have 2 copies of mend body and soul, which are hard to shutdown since they arent elite, recovery, and pure was mi ling. Takes forever to get condition degen to stick.

And a load of other things. Builds like this are not fun to play against.

If you want something done to sway

Nerf N/Rts. (will end this incarnation of sway, and completly prevent any future sways, who cares if N/Rts arent imbalanced)

Nerf Expertise (again, who cares if its not imbalanced, its the engine for all these lousy sways)

Ka Tet · Apr 17, 2008, 07:32 PM // 19:32

to be honest i find the a/d parties with 4 healers way more annoying to play against then sway, move iv out of soul reaping plz

FoxBat · Apr 17, 2008, 07:38 PM // 19:38

SWAY, like Zergway and IWAY before it, is the one build you can play without vent. of COURSE it's going to be popular.

The only permanent solution really is a larger variety of these semi-not-really-good-mindless-gimmick builds. The trouble is they might even exist now, but no-one is bothering to try them out.

DreamWind · Apr 17, 2008, 08:12 PM // 20:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by shoogi

Yeah but the problem is, let's say sway gets whacked in the next skill balance. Will that result in everyone running 'legitimate' builds? no, that will result in another gimmick fotm rising up and taking over. Why? because 95% active HAers don't give a damn about skill or fun they want fame, and playing those so called 'legitimate' builds with pugs will result in failure, while playing cheap gimmicks with pugs is more successful.

You win sir. This post should have ended the thread.

As for people going on about Sway being easy to beat, yes of course it is. That isn't the point though. The OP is saying ITS BORING to play against, not its HARD. Big difference.

Solution? Buff old HA gimmicks so there are a lot of pug builds floating around (instead of just 1). If you nerf sway I can 100% guarantee you it won't solve anything other than killing the pug population.