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Exploding Burritos · Apr 21, 2008, 02:09 AM // 02:09

I see as many or more X/Rts than I do rits in pvp anymore... wtf is up with this? Rits need some help, their broken primary is a joke, unless you want some gimmick build like spirit spammer or spirit's strength. Just give us soul reaping instead, N/Rt >> Rt. Come on ANet, hire someone who understands balance beyond OMGNURFSTUFFTHATHURTSMAINECROlolwut?

Keekles · Apr 21, 2008, 02:27 AM // 02:27

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Originally Posted by Exploding Burritos

I see as many or more X/Rts than I do rits in pvp anymore... wtf is up with this? Rits need some help, their broken primary is a joke, unless you want some gimmick build like spirit spammer or spirit's strength. Just give us soul reaping instead, N/Rt >> Rt. Come on ANet, hire someone who understands balance beyond OMGNURFSTUFFTHATHURTSMAINECROlolwut?

wut? Splinter AR. Gogo. That's all you need. Fill in the rest with e-management + support.

Rits seem alright with me, other than that spawning = useless. They're plenty strong.

Exploding Burritos · Apr 21, 2008, 02:47 AM // 02:47

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Originally Posted by Keekles

wut? Splinter AR. Gogo. That's all you need. Fill in the rest with e-management + support.

Rits seem alright with me, other than that spawning = useless. They're plenty strong.

Translation: Rits have 2 skills worth taking, for which you don't even need to be a rit primary. Also, their primary sucks bum, validating the point that X/Rt with splinter and AR is better than Rt/anything for nearly every purpose.

Div · Apr 21, 2008, 04:53 AM // 04:53

Except for, you know, all the Rt/A flagrunners in GvG.

neal916 · Apr 21, 2008, 05:03 AM // 05:03

i think his point was going that no one really run's Rt primaries because of their weak primary att... which makes it kind of weak as a class on its own.

street peddler · Apr 21, 2008, 05:36 AM // 05:36

or he hates that soul reaping is so so broken but still exists for some reason.

Snow Bunny · Apr 21, 2008, 05:47 AM // 05:47

Right, Rits need more buffs, because of course, during GvG, they don't blow shit up with 2 skills have pretty solid defense with another 4.

Because of course, primary rits suck so much mirite?

RhanoctJocosa · Apr 21, 2008, 05:54 AM // 05:54

If anything Rts need to be hit harder so that Rt runners can get the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO out of GvG

horseradish · Apr 21, 2008, 06:16 AM // 06:16

If anything, Rits need options outside of the current hybrid build, but it's simply too good compared to anything else.

RhanoctJocosa · Apr 21, 2008, 06:22 AM // 06:22

No... they need to be deleted from the game

Div · Apr 21, 2008, 06:29 AM // 06:29

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Originally Posted by neal916

i think his point was going that no one really run's Rt primaries because of their weak primary att... which makes it kind of weak as a class on its own.

The advantage of a rit primary is the ability to run OP rit skills while keeping your secondary free for utility. The N/Rt is a whole new story because soul reaping is stupid.

Greedy Gus · Apr 21, 2008, 03:39 PM // 15:39

OP is just trolling, unproductive whine thread.

MasterSasori · Apr 27, 2008, 04:40 AM // 04:40

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Originally Posted by Exploding Burritos

I see as many or more X/Rts than I do rits in pvp anymore... wtf is up with this? Rits need some help, their broken primary is a joke, unless you want some gimmick build like spirit spammer or spirit's strength. Just give us soul reaping instead, N/Rt >> Rt. Come on ANet, hire someone who understands balance beyond OMGNURFSTUFFTHATHURTSMAINECROlolwut?

If N/Rt>> Rt, bring that to GvG and lets see how well you do.

I foresee epic fail on your part.

TheHaxor · Apr 27, 2008, 06:00 AM // 06:00

rits need to be removed from the game

If that isn't an option, then their primary attribute needs to see changes that make it favorable to actually run a primary rit. Yes, I understand that the primary rit is run in GvG, but it isn't because the primary attribute is any good.

I think a change that gives some sort of bonus to your skills when there is a spirit in the area is a decent idea. You don't want to make the change such that it makes the current rit builds more powerful, but one that keeps the power around the same level while decreasing the power of secondary rit builds

Melody Cross · Apr 27, 2008, 07:04 AM // 07:04

MasterSasori · Apr 29, 2008, 02:44 AM // 02:44

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Originally Posted by TheHaxor

rits need to be removed from the game

If that isn't an option, then their primary attribute needs to see changes that make it favorable to actually run a primary rit. Yes, I understand that the primary rit is run in GvG, but it isn't because the primary attribute is any good.

I think a change that gives some sort of bonus to your skills when there is a spirit in the area is a decent idea. You don't want to make the change such that it makes the current rit builds more powerful, but one that keeps the power around the same level while decreasing the power of secondary rit builds

1. The suggestion about rits being removed from the game is absolutely stupid.

2. Seeing how Rits are support, decreasing the secondary power of a rit will detract from the rit's ability to be a good supporter (duh?) so your argument at making rits equally powerful while decreasing their secondaries isn't feasible without changing the rit's role.

TheHaxor · Apr 29, 2008, 03:02 AM // 03:02

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Originally Posted by MasterSasori

1. The suggestion about rits being removed from the game is absolutely stupid.

2. Seeing how Rits are support, decreasing the secondary power of a rit will detract from the rit's ability to be a good supporter (duh?) so your argument at making rits equally powerful while decreasing their secondaries isn't feasible without changing the rit's role.

...I was talking about decreasing the power of rit as a secondary.

The suggestion of removing from the game is not stupid. The ritualist is a degenerate class that doesn't even fit the concept of a "ritualist."

MasterSasori · Apr 30, 2008, 09:26 PM // 21:26

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Originally Posted by TheHaxor

...I was talking about decreasing the power of rit as a secondary.

The suggestion of removing from the game is not stupid. The ritualist is a degenerate class that doesn't even fit the concept of a "ritualist."

Decreasing the power of the rit as a secondary by weakening the skills such as Splinter Weapon? That would be ridiculous.

The concept of ritualist has always been support and today it still plays that role. The aspects of the whole spirit shebang has basically more or less gone out the window in terms of efficiency, but rits are still doing their job.

If any one class that should be fixed, it would be the Paragon.

TheHaxor · Apr 30, 2008, 10:18 PM // 22:18

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Originally Posted by MasterSasori

Decreasing the power of the rit as a secondary by weakening the skills such as Splinter Weapon? That would be ridiculous.

The concept of ritualist has always been support and today it still plays that role. The aspects of the whole spirit shebang has basically more or less gone out the window in terms of efficiency, but rits are still doing their job.

If any one class that should be fixed, it would be the Paragon.

No, you are completely wrong. Support is not a concept. That is a role. The ritualist class is based on shamanism (concept). Shamans draw their power from their communication with spirits. Now if you notice, most of the current ritualist bars in high end PvP don't contain any spirits (1 at the most). It has been this way since they nerfed the crap out of spirits because poor design made them overpowered. The entire class was a giant design flaw. The class you see before you now has no concept.

The primary attribute is almost completely worthless because the skills in it are awful and its effect is poor. People don't even run spirits anymore (even if they did, it still isn't very good). Sure, it still adds a second or two on your weapons, but the attribute points are far more valuable than the effect it has.

The entire reason that rits have survived the change to spirits is because of how weapons function. Weapons can't be removed or prevented in any way other than interrupting them. Skills like weapon of warding are way too efficient for what they do. In fact it is so effective it doesn't even require a high spec to function effectively. Thus, secondary classes can use most of these skills just as effectively as primary classes can.

MasterSasori · Apr 30, 2008, 11:04 PM // 23:04

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Originally Posted by TheHaxor

No, you are completely wrong. Support is not a concept. That is a role. The ritualist class is based on shamanism (concept). Shamans draw their power from their communication with spirits. Now if you notice, most of the current ritualist bars in high end PvP don't contain any spirits (1 at the most). It has been this way since they nerfed the crap out of spirits because poor design made them overpowered. The entire class was a giant design flaw. The class you see before you now has no concept.

High end PvP doesn't use spirits, but PvE still does. This may be the PvP section of guru, but when you say Rit as a whole is flawed, then you can't really not take PvE into account. In addition, just because one of the "concepts" you talk about isn't popular in PvP doesn't the rest of the "concept" of a class is flawed. The concept of necros raising dead shit and Warrior's cunning tactics certainly doesn't have a place in PvP other than AB, yet we don't consider it flawed.

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Originally Posted by TheHaxor

The primary attribute is almost completely worthless because the skills in it are awful and its effect is poor. People don't even run spirits anymore (even if they did, it still isn't very good). Sure, it still adds a second or two on your weapons, but the attribute points are far more valuable than the effect it has.

The ritualist's primary is crap. Fine. But if the class can circumvent this problem by functioning how its supposed to then there is no problem.

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Originally Posted by TheHaxor

The entire reason that rits have survived the change to spirits is because of how weapons function. Weapons can't be removed or prevented in any way other than interrupting them. Skills like weapon of warding are way too efficient for what they do. In fact it is so effective it doesn't even require a high spec to function effectively. Thus, secondary classes can use most of these skills just as effectively as primary classes can.

Name a single class that can serve the rit's function as well as a rit. If you're going to say N/Rt, lets just cut the crap and let me point things out:

1. Rt/X - you can choose wutever other secondary you want to help compliment your team. You certainly can't do this if Rt is your secondary.
2. N/Rt is for mindless restoration spam which can be outdone by any decent human monk. It's only run because goldfish exceed heros in terms of intelligence and probably emanagement if goldfish could play guild wars.
3. Being a primary rit can allow you to use their runes and get an att up to 14.

For the record, Rits are still in GvG being the runner and they still provide support roles.