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Ben-A-BoO · May 23, 2008, 10:10 AM // 10:10

Yes, it is pretty retarded to be honest to make the Isle of the Nameless a PvE area.
I mean come on ... In PvE you can just step outside any town to test most of your skills in action and there is no big drawback in just zoning out again and tweaking a bit, then re-enter.

Isle of the Nameless was just that for PvP purposes. Now I have to start a scrimmage if I wanna test something?

And really why do you need a master of damage for Ursan?

Horace The Great · May 23, 2008, 04:22 PM // 16:22

The update was a good idea I think, though needs some changes, like when to show pve and pvp.

moko · May 23, 2008, 05:57 PM // 17:57

this is the dumbest argument i've ever seen, get out troll.

Teutonic Paladin · May 23, 2008, 06:31 PM // 18:31

Both PvE and PvP players use GToB frequently, if they don't add a toggle they need to add a mock GToB in another area for whichever group isn't represented in the original.

Div · May 23, 2008, 10:02 PM // 22:02

Stop posting dumb stuff. NAZI

The update is bad. They didn't even make the good PvE skill changes I wanted. Or fix anything that is of any significance (VoD, conjure+SoH).

DarkNecrid · May 23, 2008, 10:14 PM // 22:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by holymasamune

Stop posting dumb stuff. NAZI

The update is bad. They didn't even make the good PvE skill changes I wanted. Or fix anything that is of any significance (VoD, conjure+SoH).

Agreed, though Izzy said he would like at WS Dervs and SoH next.

....2 months later....

*Wounding Strike: Recharge increased to 4.
*Strength of Honor: Now costs 15e.

Div · May 23, 2008, 10:40 PM // 22:40

Well he's looking at it now, but then let's see what he did in the past month...3 changes?

DutchSmurf · May 23, 2008, 10:41 PM // 22:41

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Originally Posted by DarkNecrid

....2 months later....

*Wounding Strike: Recharge increased to 4.
*Strength of Honor: Now costs 15e.

You know what the sad thing is? Something like that wouldn't even surprise me.

la_cabra_de_vida · May 23, 2008, 11:54 PM // 23:54

From my experience, dervsmite is good because the shutdown is not up to par really. Im just mad ele's in gvg are reduced to water hexes, which are pretty meh to begin with.

isamu kurosawa · May 24, 2008, 12:14 AM // 00:14

I could see this comming from when they first announced the split.

Many PvE'ers setup builds/hang out in GH, thats why NPCs where added.

Both pve and pvp players use isle of the nameless to test skill updates, builds etc.

Two area's that are incompatible with this system, the GH could have an option toggle to display skills in your preferance on a pve character but isle of nameless cant because of the issues it could cause with teaming up.
Only way a toggle would work there would be like the NM/HM in party menu, which would be a clunky method.

Also, to the posters saying that pve players should test in pve zones;
The only place remotely close to isle of nameless is Churrhir Fields. Which is locked to one campaign, has no master of damage or any other masters and does not have max AL targets.

Lord Natural · May 24, 2008, 02:09 AM // 02:09

Agreed. As if the update isn't stupid enough as it is. Why the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO would there even be need for a place to test pve bars on armor dummies? Last time I checked 99.9% of the game was henchable (NM or HM) with pretty much any random build.

DarkNecrid · May 24, 2008, 02:16 AM // 02:16

Any PvE area is a place to test PvE bars on armor dummies.

c wat i did thar

I hope they fix this by like, Tuesday.

It's VERY VERY VERY annoying.

Riotgear · May 24, 2008, 05:45 AM // 05:45

If they can't figure out what to do with Nameless and Guild Halls then just put a checkbox in the skill dialog that changes the description format.

urania · May 24, 2008, 08:21 AM // 08:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkNecrid

Agreed, though Izzy said he would like at WS Dervs and SoH next.

....2 months later....

*Wounding Strike: Recharge increased to 4.
*Strength of Honor: Now costs 15e.

made me chuckle

isamu kurosawa · May 24, 2008, 11:23 AM // 11:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkNecrid

Any PvE area is a place to test PvE bars on armor dummies.

c wat i did thar

I hope they fix this by like, Tuesday.

It's VERY VERY VERY annoying.

Yes i did, you revealed how ignorant you are.

pve players have always used the isle for testing builds as well. It is the only place in the game with a master of damage, 60, 80, 100al dummies and other controlled factors.

If pve players can just enter a pve zone to test builds then pvp players can clearly just scrimmage to test theirs, oh look that doesnt work either.

This update will remove a feature from one side of the game anyway you look at it unless they add a second area like isle of the nameless.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riotgear

If they can't figure out what to do with Nameless and Guild Halls then just put a checkbox in the skill dialog that changes the description format.

Then what happens if you have it set to pvp and team up with someone who has it set to pvp and enter isle of the nameless?

As i stated earlier you would have to have a pvp/pve switch like the HM/NM one built into your party window. A poor patch to a bad update.

DreamWind · May 24, 2008, 11:35 AM // 11:35

I just think it is hilarious that Anet implemented this change to prevent conflict between the 2 sides, yet they simply created even more conflict by stupid crap like this.

Gneppe · May 24, 2008, 11:51 AM // 11:51

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Originally Posted by isamu kurosawa

Then what happens if you have it set to pvp and team up with someone who has it set to pvp and enter isle of the nameless?

It would enter in PvP mode DUUUH!

I know what you mean, make it enter in PvP mode or PvE mode WHO CARES !

WOW

LifesRestorer · May 24, 2008, 12:54 PM // 12:54

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Originally Posted by isamu kurosawa

Stuff about PvE'rs needing Isle of the nameless

tell me, in all honesty why you would need to measure how much damage you can do per second, how much damage you do at a single point and after which point death will occur for testing pve stuff.

just tell me why. when PvE monsters have extremely superior amounts of health and armor than PvP test dummy targets, i don't know how in any way isle of the nameless will help your new AI exploiting farming build

BlackSephir · May 24, 2008, 01:17 PM // 13:17

They need to make another location near GToB- Isle of the Dummies with pve skills.

Teutonic Paladin · May 24, 2008, 04:01 PM // 16:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by LifesRestorer

tell me, in all honesty why you would need to measure how much damage you can do per second, how much damage you do at a single point and after which point death will occur for testing pve stuff.

just tell me why. when PvE monsters have extremely superior amounts of health and armor than PvP test dummy targets, i don't know how in any way isle of the nameless will help your new AI exploiting farming build

No one NEEDS the Isle of the Nameless, PvP or PvE. It is very helpful to PvE players, because whether it's important or not, players do like to maximize their builds and the damage they can unload. It's very helpful to measure spike damage in PvP, among many other things, but it's not absolutely essential. It's useful for both catagories of players, if only for the sake of curiosity. (I wonder how much this build really does compared to X)