Curse

whufc89 · Jun 01, 2008, 02:57 AM // 02:57

I'm new to HA, but can run any build/profession if it's provided by somebody. This weekend as you all know is double HA points, but I've not been accepted into a single group because of my rank which is 0 at the moment.

If nobody will accept you unless you're r3 or above, how is a rank 0 meant to gain ranks?

It's stupid, I thought this weekend would allow me to finally get my first HA rank at least, but I can't even get that because nobody will accept me into their group

I figured because I was new I would run R/D "Sway" as it seems the norm for most of the groups in HA (AFAIK), but still no luck.

Any suggestions?

jiggles · Jun 01, 2008, 03:05 AM // 03:05

find a guild that is willing to show you the ropes, there are a couple in the pvp recruitment section here

whufc89 · Jun 01, 2008, 03:06 AM // 03:06

That's a good idea actually, thanks. I will go check it out

Ghostcell · Jun 01, 2008, 03:08 AM // 03:08

yeah if your not in a guild that does it, you'll have a real tough time getting your rank up to something that will get you into a PuG most times?

Marverick · Jun 01, 2008, 03:14 AM // 03:14

Guilds require a rank to join, though. That's what I tried; didn't really work because they require r3-5-whatever++ to join.

whufc89 · Jun 01, 2008, 03:26 AM // 03:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marverick

Guilds require a rank to join, though. That's what I tried; didn't really work because they require r3-5-whatever++ to join.

See what I mean ^^

What am I meant to do

Songbringer · Jun 01, 2008, 03:32 AM // 03:32

Just join the lower end pvp guilds that tend to just show you the ropes and basically all they do is farm uw with sway. SLOWWWW but those are the guilds that will take you and get you r3. Actually my guild will invite low lvls sometimes and help them out. But we tend to be very harsh if people don't have a basic understanding of how a build will work by looking at the skills. Like the last guy we invited didn't know weakness lowered your atts by 1.

Brimstonez · Jun 01, 2008, 04:01 AM // 04:01

I can understand your predicament from a personal view. I spent what seemed forever trying to attain that 3rd Hero rank.

How I did it; countless noob pugs and randomways...a win here and there slowly added to the total. But this was far too slow, so I figured I'd need to take things into my own hands instead of relying on a team to get me there, playing by someone else's rules. I started running wiki builds in RA, and then when I gained confidence in myself, moved onto creating my own builds...some of which I'm proud to say are incredible, and used often in TA by guilds I've passed them onto.

From here I then moved back onto the HA field. But this time, I wasn't looking for a team to give the underdog a shot. I started building and leading my own teams. Sure at least half of them were failures, due to not being able to get many ranked/experienced players to join. But, we did win a lot of games also, thus helping the Hero Rank a lot faster. I'm not saying this will work for you...just that it did for me.

Once I finally obtained that Rank 3, I found it much easier to get into low rank teams...and by then I was quite experienced in HA. A lot of people think that a high rank player is such a pro. Truth of the matter is, quite a lot of them are bought accounts, and many of them lack confidence. I would much rather take on board a low to middle rank person for a 'pug' HA team, knowing that it's highly likely they worked their ass off to achieve their rank. Because of their past number of wins/losses they should have developed a sort of instinct in the game.

What pisses me off about HA pvp'ers, is that most are under the impression that high ranking people can run any build professionally. This is far from the truth, as I've witnessed all too many times. When they will be chosen as part of a team based on their rank, having minor knowledge of the build they are needed to run, and how to work it with the team. At the same time, a rank 3-4 cannot get a into the party, even though he/she is fully capable/experienced at running the needed build, and how to use it with the team. When people say RANK 10+ LFG, I just laugh to myself because of this.

One must know his/her builds strengths and weaknesses...and I don't mean just the bar itself. I mean what works vs what, when to attack and defend, what area points are best for attack/defense, etc...based on the map you're playing on.

As of now, I am still guildless, yet am quite experienced at PvP. Last night I farmed half a rank with a Sway team, winning sometimes up to 4 games in a row. We were all Rank 3, with the exception of one guy who obtained his third rank during our battles. We even managed to beat down some ranked 300-600 guilds during our time.

Ok I'm rambling on now, I'll leave some room for other comments :P

[Morkai] · Jun 01, 2008, 04:28 AM // 04:28

My first few fame was gained from gimmick builds, sway, zergway etc.

Then i found an awesome bunch of guys, who are now my awesome-sauce friends, and we made our own HA build and got me and a few others to r3 in the last HA weekend. I suggest you don't try and rush it, and slowly build your base of pvp friends.

whufc89 · Jun 01, 2008, 04:29 AM // 04:29

I just made a post in the "PvP Looking For Guild" section, so hopefully somebody will come along and help me out.

Here it is, if anyone's interested - http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...45#post4003645

Lykan · Jun 01, 2008, 04:38 AM // 04:38

Welcome to HA and Guess what YOU are the only rank 0 person there......

..... well actually no your not, so what you need to do is ignore all the rxx group spam and have a look for people like you, there should be lots this weekend.
Even call out in chat yourself "Lf R0/1/2 people to form a team with"
Forming your own teams really is the easiest way, I did it myself and im not that great a caller, learn some builds and get some pugs and make friends and add them to your f-list. I eventually had a core of around 15 ppl who i could call every nite to make a team with.
HF

Moral55 · Jun 01, 2008, 04:44 AM // 04:44

Brimstone is correct, when I went through my HA phase the best way to get a group was to make one. Start with the gimmick builds, make sure you have builds on hand to give to individuals you invite. (Copy and paste the Bar code to notepad so you can ping the builds regardless of your class.), make sure you alway have vent and a channel to use as well.
Remember your goal's to beat 2 or three maps and get rank points not actually winning.

Edit: Also use PvP chars.

RavagerOfDreams · Jun 01, 2008, 05:04 AM // 05:04

HA guilds often have other requirements you can meet in order to join. For instance guilds that require R3 Hero will often accept R2 Glads. I would suggest doing some TA first maybe getting R1 Glad then applying to a R3 HA guild. They are willing to take glads, even though ha and ta are wayyy different, mostly because they know (although this is not always the case) that you have some experience with coordinated team pvp.

Hope it helps

Trax Reborn · Jun 01, 2008, 06:13 AM // 06:13

well if u are a very smart pvp'r u can do what i did to get r3.

HA with a couple pugs, get a couple fame till u know whats going on.

Then make r3+ balanced groups until u hit r3(this only works based upon the stupidity of players not checking the leaders rank.)

masta_yoda · Jun 01, 2008, 06:22 AM // 06:22

if ur really that desperate, form r6+ shitway cause no on ever asks the leader for rank most of the time, ofc ud probably fail

Sanghed · Jun 01, 2008, 06:24 AM // 06:24

To the original poster:

I joined the HA crowd this weekend too, as an opportunity to get my rank up. I started out by monking for randomway or any balance groups that would let me in as rank 0.

I quickly realized that wouldn't work and decided to do Sway with everybody else.

I started out doing pug's so I could learn the sway. I learned strategies for each build in the sway team and began forming my own teams, and instructing new people how to play successfully.

Despite groups that are looking for rank xx++ only, I have been able to game in rank 5+ groups by communicating with the group leader. I simply would PM a group leader looking for a rank 5+ trapper, and explain to him I am a competent player. Some leaders accept me - some don't. Remember - not all HA players are elitists - some do understand that you don't need a title to be a competent player.

Good luck to you

.

supa tim · Jun 01, 2008, 07:10 AM // 07:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brimstonez

I can understand your predicament from a personal view. I spent what seemed forever trying to attain that 3rd Hero rank.

How I did it; countless noob pugs and randomways...a win here and there slowly added to the total. But this was far too slow, so I figured I'd need to take things into my own hands instead of relying on a team to get me there, playing by someone else's rules. I started running wiki builds in RA, and then when I gained confidence in myself, moved onto creating my own builds...some of which I'm proud to say are incredible, and used often in TA by guilds I've passed them onto.

From here I then moved back onto the HA field. But this time, I wasn't looking for a team to give the underdog a shot. I started building and leading my own teams. Sure at least half of them were failures, due to not being able to get many ranked/experienced players to join. But, we did win a lot of games also, thus helping the Hero Rank a lot faster. I'm not saying this will work for you...just that it did for me.

1 - A lot of people think that a high rank player is such a pro. Truth of the matter is, quite a lot of them are bought accounts, and many of them lack confidence. I would much rather take on board a low to middle rank person for a 'pug' HA team, knowing that it's highly likely they worked their ass off to achieve their rank. Because of their past number of wins/losses they should have developed a sort of instinct in the game.

2 - What pisses me off about HA pvp'ers, is that most are under the impression that high ranking people can run any build professionally. This is far from the truth, as I've witnessed all too many times. When they will be chosen as part of a team based on their rank, having minor knowledge of the build they are needed to run, and how to work it with the team. At the same time, a rank 3-4 cannot get a into the party, even though he/she is fully capable/experienced at running the needed build, and how to use it with the team.

3 - When people say RANK 10+ LFG, I just laugh to myself because of this.

One must know his/her builds strengths and weaknesses...and I don't mean just the bar itself. I mean what works vs what,

4 - when to attack and defend, what area points are best for attack/defense, etc...based on the map you're playing on.

5 - As of now, I am still guildless, yet am quite experienced at PvP. Last night I farmed half a rank with a Sway team, winning sometimes up to 4 games in a row. We were all Rank 3, with the exception of one guy who obtained his third rank during our battles. We even managed to beat down some ranked 300-600 guilds during our time.

Ok I'm rambling on now, I'll leave some room for other comments :P

Ok lemme start:

1 - You have good Humor my friend. These days no1 has a bought account. Simply because HA was going to get screwed about a year ago and no1 wanted to play it anymore.

2 - A high ranked player (r8+ for example) who has played balanced instead of gimmicks, can sure play any build better than your rank 3. You claim its not, you picked the wrong dude who, like you, played sway as well to get the fame.

3 - I laugh at you saying this, because you think youre better than him, which is not.

4 - Guildwars is an online game Specially designed for Coordinated TEAMPLAY. Which means its now up to him, its up to the tactic caller.

5 - Sway... Yeah weve all heard about that build. But does it give you any experience? I dont know, i guess so for some people in your team who dont know basic pvp yet, but If your saying your experienced: GO PLAY SOMETHING ELSE.

As for ontopic: go play Sway untill you have your rank 3, then youre still learning from it. After go specialize in 2-3 Porfessions and keep playing them in a non-lame build.
Also get urself in a pvp guild, it helps :P

Grz,

Timmeh

Thizzle · Jun 01, 2008, 07:15 AM // 07:15

Hit the log out button save your time. That's why Heroes' Ascent blows because you want to gain rank even though your 0. You try to join a guild, but they want rank, you look for a lower ranked guild then everyone in it has no clue how to run a team build. That's the whole problem with Heroes' Ascent.

Div · Jun 01, 2008, 07:15 AM // 07:15

QQ is srs bsns. Read tiyuri's post.