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Proff · Apr 18, 2008, 12:56 PM // 12:56

ffs... just check pvxwiki, find a build from sway that you can run and join a team. There's no way you should wait 6 hours to play for just 20 mins so quit sitting around spaming lfg and go and find one or start one yourself.

Passive Keke · Apr 19, 2008, 10:18 PM // 22:18

Hm i don't usually post on forums but i wanna take you up on a few things i think about you Borat. You are better than most HA players yes, but you make yourself out to be better than you are. You complain about builds being overpowered alot such as the so called "legoway" and ranger spike, but you are always playing with random pugs. The truth is these builds are not easy to beat and it requires a fairly versatile build to beat them, yet you are always playing spike or builds that play with little defence. You complain about HA in general alot but the builds you play are playing are with next to no defence and with r9+ randoms. The fact is legoway and ranger spike seem to stronger than they actually are because they incorporate alot of different skills that require you to win in HA. Yet you keep playing things like shockwave spike that have almost 0 defence and almost 0 versatility, so you have no right to complain about the state of HA. Before i posted this i just played a standard balanced build not legoway and beat arguably one of the best ranger spike teams in HA (besides me ofcourse). Also you say HA is full of 3 2 1, 3 2 1 is just a way of concerntrating damage, if teams didn't do this then monks would find it easy to heal against, just like in gvg. I have made some of the most fame in HA and i think that when i call strat for my teams that i have the best chance to win, but thats not all HA is about, it's also about a slight element of luck.

In conculusion you shouldn't complain about HA when you play bad builds with bad people, also im sure i could take you up on your logic and win.

Killed u man · Apr 19, 2008, 10:41 PM // 22:41

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Originally Posted by Chaos Rofl Copter

has borat even posted in this thread?

Heloooooo (Annoying smiley that says heeelooooo)

Had this name on guru pre-PvP...

No Passive, you are intirely correct. I play shitbuilds with shitpeople. Non-the-less, I play non-meta shitbuilds, which is, in fact, still one step ahead of meta-shit builds. (Rspike, hexway, you name it)

I played OP builds for alot of MY fame, but so did you (Wait, Rspike is NOT broken? I managed to get +-8K off ritspike, U managed to get 30K of rspike and U say rspike ISN'T broken? :s)
Keep HA fun and fresh (Which it, atm, is FAR from) is easy:

Nerf meta, Buff random skills
Wait
Nerf meta, Buff random skills
Wait
Nerf meta, Buff random skills

Izzy has got the second thing down (Dark Pact anyone?), yet he fails at the first one. Sure, this will end up in an endless loop, and will in theory requires infite amounts of skill balances, but gues what: It's PvP, NOT PvE. Unlike Mursaat, or Charr, I DO get bored of playing the same goddamn bar every day. Simply because Izzy can't find the time, cough, to nerf/buff skills.

Anyways, from today's experience:
-Hexway
-Hexway
-A/D Spike
-Hexway
-Rspike
-Rspike
-Hexway
-A/D Spike
-Sway
-Sway
-Rspike
-Hexway
-Went back to PvE, sadly you find more variation there...

Yes, skill update is needed, and I don't think ANYONE will disagree on the fact that these 3 builds are the most played right now. R/D is getting pugged alot, yet it isn't that OP. It's a button-bash yeah, but it's "relativly" new.

Top nerf list:
*A/D-spikes (Mainly the Rangers, 2 Rangers with Brutal can easily Punch out 500 Damage, with a Crit lying around 600 Damage - 2 Rangers...)
*Hexway (Problem here is, once again, hex stacking. And the fact that they can simply interrupt the hexremoval - I fail to see why so few people realize this, and "lol" if you still believe in pre-veiling-).
*AoE (In Cap Points, it's still the same story: AoE = win)

Top buff list:
*Paragon active defence: Angelic Protection, ... (Rewrite tome skills to "target" and make it a "prot" line)
*Blood Magic
*Sword (Besides Cripslash)
*Communing Line
*Rangers with bows, NOT spiking -zomg, BOWS on rangers, and they are NOT spiking, wtf is this noob saying?-
*Earth Prayers/Wind Prayers Line: There is some nice skils in there, with some adjustments, some off them can see the play in non-degenerative builds

Chaosx1 · Apr 19, 2008, 11:43 PM // 23:43

Lol @ Borat, Once again attempting to make a point. Please read passive's post again.

Passive Keke · Apr 20, 2008, 05:58 PM // 17:58

Actually i made nearer 20k fame off r spike, the reason for this being that i was and probably still am the best caller for this kind of build. I understand how it wins i understand how it loses and i understand how to stop this, but unfortunatly i still used to take alot defeats because it's impossible not to. I think you'll also find that no one else has made anywhere near the kind of fame i have with r spike or played it at a time in HA when it was one of the hardest builds to play. The fact is it's not overpowered, i play HA with same people all the time and thats why i find it alot easier to win than other groups. Many other people trying to play r spike will find it difficult and will get almost nowhere because despite what you think it's not that easy. Also if i was against an r spike i would expect to win because i know exactly what needs to be done to acheive this, and 9/10 i will beat an opposing r spike. So if i can do this pretty much all the time how can you call it overpowered. I dont beleive any build in HA is overpowered. You can't expect to be good solid r spike teams and legoway teams that know what their doing with random pugs, thats not how it works or how it should work. HA is not dead but yeah its dying, but not for me because i'm still playing with the same people. Also i think you'll find there is more variation in HA builds now than there has been in the past. I remember a time when it was ritspide and searing flames always, another team where it dual paraway in 6v6, and then there was jagged bones only. In the start of GW all we found really was spiritway, chain lightning spike, dual smite etc. The fact is people want to win and some builds are simply better for doing this than others, thats why people play them not because there overpowered. You play builds that when i look at them i think "wow this will be a waste of time" and alot of the time it is. I'm pretty sure if you tried beating me with r spike i would rickroll you in under 2 minutes, and this would not be totally because i have more experiance of the build but because of the people you play with. Your friends list is full of people from id1 you can't really expect to beat the better teams when you play with groups like this. Also saying HA is dead is kinda stupid looking at some of the times you play at. HA all in all has been a great experiance for me and for many others and yeah it has it's downsides but it has more up than down imo. I also think Anet have done the best anyone could taking gvg into account to make HA a good experiance for everyone.

If you played with good teams more often you wouldn't lose to random spike teams and spiritway etc, yet you continue to stand in id1.

Passive Keke · Apr 20, 2008, 05:59 PM // 17:59

btw i dont care about the spelling mistakes here just trying to make a point that people should stop complaining and try actually playing.

Tearz1993 · Apr 20, 2008, 08:19 PM // 20:19

GUILD WARS GUILD WARS GUILD WARS

Anyways HA is either considered dead or fun (depending on your perspective) so can close this thread now... just borat and passive flaming eachother

Killed u man · Apr 20, 2008, 09:22 PM // 21:22

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Originally Posted by Tearz1993

GUILD WARS GUILD WARS GUILD WARS

Anyways HA is either considered dead or fun (depending on your perspective) so can close this thread now... just borat and passive flaming eachother

When did U see me flaming? My posts a rational/well backed-up

elektra_lucia · May 02, 2008, 06:27 PM // 18:27

People that buy guildwars don't have the competitive drive that people have who would get involved in competitive games...

Until that is fixed, you won't ever get decent competitive play; therefore, this thread is a bunch of wank and your dad could of used his cum to gel his hair instead of creating a useless child.

"I dont beleive any build in HA is overpowered"

When one build requires a lot less skill compared to another for an outcome which is the same, one is obviously over powered. If not, people would just run mending, or put 8 skills on their bar, randomly. You can say, well that obviously won't work... Well, at what point does it not work? Obviously some builds are better than others and those that take no skill are clearly over powered in comparison to the other options available.

You are not the best caller in any build passive, you merely think you are and because you really believe your tripe you will always be a person that gets rolled by crap players in a competitive game. I think I've lost count the ammount of times I've beaten you with a shit team. You only remember the times you win, or rage quit in the times you get close to losing.

Your anger also makes you out of control that's no good personality for leading a team. Despite whatever you may think. I guess it's your attempt to try prove to online people that you're manly, which is rather amusing.

Who knows, perhaps peaches will want Rank13 and you'll have a use again but until then; you'll be laughed at by every decent player :]].

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Actually i made nearer 20k fame off r spike, the reason for this being that i was and probably still am the best caller for this kind of build.

lol.

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I'm pretty sure if you tried beating me with r spike i would rickroll you in under 2 minutes

I can remember playing your team of 8 on 1, and your team not winning :/.

Mental Leteci · May 08, 2008, 11:35 PM // 23:35

Hi, I pwn.

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Radiant Dawnstar · May 09, 2008, 12:40 AM // 00:40

Since you are the smartest guy on the web it wouldn't hurt you to join Mensa Borat (it would be a rickroll for you anyway). Either way Borat, saying you invented builds and telling us you are the best caller in the game doesn't make you look very rational or smart. I know from my experience that I used Tiger's Fury warriors very long before I ever saw anyone else use it, but that doesn't make me the inventor... Also, you really shouldn't think you are anywhere near being the best in anything in a teamgame. It's just plain stupid. I'm surprised that while I'm 5-10 years younger than you I still have more wisdom, so I guess you aren't the smartest player in Guild Wars after all! (

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Link to a pretty easy way into Mensa

PS: About H O O T holding halls... He always plays during noobhour. Nuff said.

Killed u man · May 09, 2008, 01:45 AM // 01:45

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Originally Posted by Radiant Dawnstar

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For HA, I am probably one of the best callers in the game. (Didn't HA seriously for months now, last time I actually went in was 4 days ago, it was a joke build and we got straight to HoH)

I don't have to proove anything for anyone. These internet IQ tests are pretty bad aswell. (For some reason, I first opened the page without realizing it was directly the test, so I did some HB. When I finally got back to it, I started with a nice 10 minute head start. Huray, /closed it)

Atleast I'm contributing something to thid thread and this forum.

P.S.: Read my "builds" thread in HA-builds section for more info on calling these builds mine.
I'll recap it for you:
-5 Million Copies Sold, +-1.5 Million actual players: Chances are that ONE of these tried your exact bar the day NF (when builds exploded) came out. (Or during the weekend) However, recognizing this as a potentional build, and modefying it so it stands out in GvG/HA requires more insight in these formats. Thus I believe it is right to claim yourself the title "inventor" of a build when U succesfully maximized a build for a format of PvP.
E.G.: Chances are that SOMEONE tried SoMW in HA before I did. Yet I was the first guy to mold it into an actual holding build, causing so much QQ'ing on these forums it wasn't even funny anymore. It was also MY EXACT BUILD (Heck, some friends joined "pug" SoMW's and -because there was no ping system back then- they even gave out builds through gwshack, MY gwshack -the link I created upno making the build)

Mental Leteci · May 09, 2008, 07:54 PM // 19:54

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

cough shit bla

Who are you?
Why do you call yourself the best caller?

1st of all, I played HA since GW was out and I mean that. I never played PvE part. In that time I played with all kind of players and I can tell you that you're definitely not the best caller in the game without even seeing you call. You can either be good or bad, not the best, that's a fact.

Now you can do us all a favor and follow my guide how to be the best in something: start > control panel > add/remove > guild wars > yes.

BAI

Killed u man · May 09, 2008, 11:03 PM // 23:03

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Originally Posted by Mental Leteci

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Needs more random trashtalk (Expecting posts removed + temp ban any second now for spamming lol

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curseix · May 13, 2008, 02:59 PM // 14:59

I played some hexway (only 7 hexes btw :) and lost to balanced builds that managed to
a) keep their song clean
b) use a convert
c) don't rely on a single monk redbarring
We lost a lot to r-spike, too :)

We played some R-Spike and when we lost, most times we lost to the very same/similar build as above because they managed to
a) put a DA up (not even a DA chain, one single DA)
b) keep the warding on priority targets up
c) mess up the spikes - kill the rit, interrupt the weapons, pd a forked etc
d) kite

These were the balanced builds you call "cookie-cutters". First of all, you still need the people to play such a build with - don't tell me every Ritspiker, Rspiker or any other FotM-player is able to play a balanced build. Skill makes a difference, not rank but skill for sure. It doesn't matter what build you play, you always can tell good players from terrible players.

You should be aware of benefits and drawbacks the builds you run have. You run Ritspike or Rspike? So resign against those Shadow Form-Sins on UW - nothing you can do about them, no need to QQ. Any build with [skill]blackout[/skill][skill]shock[/skill][skill]rending touch[/skill][skill]leech signet[/skill] etc. deals easily with SF sins.
I remember playing ranger spike when we faced GoZu's Fearme which ran three (!) copies of shields up back when it had 50% block chance. That's a gimmick counter to a gimmick build - deal with it. I know, running a balanced build, it is not easy to beat a hex or rspike - but you can beat both. Otherwise, a good ranger spike easily destroys a hexway.

Then, i don't understand people think forgotten shrines or antechamber ruined the game. Those maps are the reason necspikes, ritspikes and healing ball (O-M-G) aren't that popular anymore. Thanks Arenanet!

I still play HA for fun (i'm not confident in getting the next emote, although i earned rank quite fast playing different builds and positions) but i still like 8vs8 PvP with my guildmates, who dont have the time/attitude to practice a lot of GvG - and to be somewhat successful there. Thats what all HA players should do - play for fun, try to improve and stop beeing an idiot if your team messes up one run or another. And if you think, HA sucks - just keep away from it. No emote is worth hundreds of hours spent "working" for a game you don't enjoy.

All my opinion, take it or leave it :)

Cheers and have fun

Mr Pink57 · May 18, 2008, 10:10 AM // 10:10

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Originally Posted by .defekt

I'm REALLY sick of PvErs complaining about not getting to play in HA. We've all heard it many times before; "I can't get in a group because I don't have any fame, and I can't get any fame because I can't get in a group."

The thing is, if you look at the flipside, if I were to go to DoA with say, rank 3 lightbringer and rank 4 norn, do you think I will get a group? No, I won't. I'll be called a noob if I try to join a group and I'll wait hours finding a group only to wipe against the first mob we agro.

You can't expect a good team that plays for fame to bring someone with no HA exp, and you can't expect a good team that plays for DoA drops and gems to bring someone that has no idea how to do DoA.

Think about what you are complaining about before you actually complain about it.

The difference is you can run thru gwen a couple times at your leisure to max norn, and there is a huge farm spot for lb farming that accepts everyone.

pink

Spirit Of Azrael · May 21, 2008, 02:25 AM // 02:25

I left GW a while back, and I'm just coming back into the game. I go to HA, thinking why not give it a shot. It used to be good fun. People looking for R/D's? I have the skills, let me make the build. People want Shock Axe? No problem. Run it a lot in other forms of PvP and the occasional Scrimmage. I find a group (never was told it was based on rank), make the build, and get all set to go. Then the leader says "Okay everyone, flash titles."
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gg, HA

I get kicked for not being at least R3. I'm not R3 because I keep getting Kicked. I won't claim to be some super-pro player, but (judging by what I've seen in Observer Mode) I'm at the level of most "decent" HA players. But because I don't have a goddamn Bambi, no one cares to let me in, and those few groups who do end up dying round one and dissolving without going for a second try.

roshanabey2 · May 25, 2008, 07:58 PM // 19:58

HA players either criticise you for using pvxwiki or not using, they are either build elitists or believe you are only good at the game if you don't use pvxwiki builds, the problem with HA is that it is not beginner frinedly even though they do not know hoe skilled you are or people think that they are cooler than you for being the best at the game as they put hours into an mmo and patronise , laugh at you and call you a looser as they think they have better builds than you, the irony.

TaCktiX · May 25, 2008, 08:33 PM // 20:33

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Originally Posted by roshanabey2

HA players either criticise you for using pvxwiki or not using, they are either build elitists or believe you are only good at the game if you don't use pvxwiki builds, the problem with HA is that it is not beginner frinedly even though they do not know hoe skilled you are or people think that they are cooler than you for being the best at the game as they put hours into an mmo and patronise , laugh at you and call you a looser as they think they have better builds than you, the irony.

Your comment only applies to a minority of HA. Majority is SWay still, but there's a strong minority that runs builds that work as a team. Technically there's a base bar for the monks on a team, and based on what the rest of the team has, skills are switched out for others. It's not a matter of skill individually, it's how well a bar matches with the team's bars, and how well the player matches with the team. Thinking individually is exactly the wrong way to approach HA. No one is entitled, you must earn your keep.

Franco Power · May 25, 2008, 08:38 PM // 20:38

I would just like to say something I disagree with and is on the first page.

It is true that HA players are much less skilled then the players that played HA 2 years ago, because most of those players either quit or are in top GvG guilds, however, the effort of gaining rank, was much less, for a lot of factors.

The most obvious one was, there was much more players playing HA when it didn't fail (8v8, etc).
Also, there was much more stupid builds and fame was much easier to earn, Spiritway anyone, when GW came out?

Now, you could say that maybe there is less skill to attaining rank, but definatly isn't less effort, like you said, 6 hours to get a group to play 17 minutes, back when I played, if you knew the right people ,you could get a group 5 minutes after logging in.

PS: Having played a lot of MMORPGs, from my experience, Guild Wars is still one of the best PvP games for this format, GvG, AB and TA are much more exciting, then for example, WoW. All you have in WoW is a 4v4 bullcrap arena ruled by Warlocks,Warriors and Druids (call it the WoW IWAY), or a 15x15 /40x40 similar to AB battle but with much less objectives and usually one faction always beats another because of map imbalances, Age of Conan isn't that great either, Spellforce player base isn't large enough, and the one I think most people are waiting for ,Warhammer Online, is yet to be seen.