Curse

Kyp Jade · Apr 15, 2008, 05:52 PM // 17:52

Most monks generally prekite, so opening with a bullsstrike in most HA matches works 50% of the time. But on altar maps, monks just camp the altar and feed on channeling. Oh and you cant make plays like bullstriking the healer anymore because of aura.

DreamWind · Apr 15, 2008, 09:42 PM // 21:42

I really liked the above idea of making 5-6 viable gimmicks that pugs can easily pick up and run. If they buffed some of the old HA gimmicks back to playability, I wouldn't cry at all. In fact I think it would be good for HA in general because you wouldn't have to face sway constantly.

Also, I am a bit tired of the idea that fame somehow killed HA. Let me put it this way...if fame didn't exist NOBODY would play HA. That is a big incentive for a lot of people...that and the damn chest at the end. Without those, why on earth would the average person play HA over GvG. Even WITH those I'd rather GvG...

Lawliet Kira · Apr 16, 2008, 01:05 AM // 01:05

I agree low levels should play with low levels...i myself are only r1...playing against r10's...which is completely not fair

TaCktiX · Apr 16, 2008, 01:31 AM // 01:31

But then you never get the awesome feeling of "whoa, our R3 group just beat the crap out of a R9." And the tournament aspect of HA is shot all to hell because splitting the HA community in 3 pieces will make skips a constancy instead of a possibility.

Ka Tet · Apr 16, 2008, 02:01 AM // 02:01

I hate to say it, but HA may really need to return to 6 man. I was with guild last nite, so I had no problem. However, tonite i was pugging and had 2 groups fizzle out after an hour spent waiting to get players. I had one team that made it in, but only after lowering the rank req by 5 and still spending about an hour waiting. Team formation sucks right now. I don't usually pug, but if I were a regular pugger id be typing /uninstall. Despite all the drawbacks of 6 man, we may have reached the point where its our only option.

Ate of DK · Apr 16, 2008, 03:00 AM // 03:00

Waiting for groups to form is not only something that happens to PuGs.

A common thing amongst higher ranked groups is that they wait for certain "main-players" to arrive.

On the other side, they will most likely play more succesful which was worth waiting 30min.

Lykan · Apr 16, 2008, 05:21 AM // 05:21

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Originally Posted by tha walkin dude

I hate to say it, but HA may really need to return to 6 man. I was with guild last nite, so I had no problem. However, tonite i was pugging and had 2 groups fizzle out after an hour spent waiting to get players. I had one team that made it in, but only after lowering the rank req by 5 and still spending about an hour waiting. Team formation sucks right now. I don't usually pug, but if I were a regular pugger id be typing /uninstall. Despite all the drawbacks of 6 man, we may have reached the point where its our only option.

No no and no, 6vs6 really really really sucks, pls shut up about it.

Ka Tet · Apr 16, 2008, 11:27 AM // 11:27

im not talking about waiting for guild or alliance players, im not talking about holding out for someone whos a great caller or tight on the backline, im talking about a r9+ group dropping all the way to taking r4+ and still waiting an hour
whether or not 6 man sucks, the player base is miniscule, and its only going to get smaller if the pugs cant form teams

Alexandria · Apr 16, 2008, 01:08 PM // 13:08

That's why I prefer randomway to all builds :>

C2K · Apr 16, 2008, 02:41 PM // 14:41

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Originally Posted by Avatar The Element

I agree low levels should play with low levels...i myself are only r1...playing against r10's...which is completely not fair

Yeah, but rank is trivial. Its possible for r1s and r2s to beat r9s because r9s might actually suck at HA. There is no guarantee that a r9 is a good player unless you recognize the name of a good player or witness them play the game.

omenowner · Apr 16, 2008, 06:35 PM // 18:35

In all honesty I am an old school pvp'r. I played HA about a year and a half ago. And by play I mean my guild held halls several times, as well as being very good at blood spike when it was still popular. I see pvp now and actually laugh. I still use the same old shock axe build someone showed me when I first started to do HA, and it still does more damage than almost any other warrior build I have seen. I got all my experience without using IWAY once. It might not be much with only 60 or so, but I am happy knowing I earned all of that experience. I would be more than willing to bet that if I were to join a R9 or R10 I would be able to play at the same level as all of them simply because this game has gone to crap. I put all my pvp skill from GvG. Thankfully that hasn't been as tainted as the rest of the other pvp options in the game. I really think there should not so much be a split of the ranks, but rather two different arenas all together. Have Hero's Ascent be r6-9 and make another arena for r<6. That way people can have their ego battles in the higher arena while the lower people can still enjoy doing what the game was originally about. Having fun and good competition.

tl;dr: I am probably better than the r9s out there today. I don't care about what you think. There should be 2 arenas to stop all the complaining about higher and lower. One for r6-9. And one for r<6.

Ka Tet · Apr 16, 2008, 07:11 PM // 19:11

I'm not sure that the solutions offered by a guy, who got 60 fame off bspike a year ago, are really relevant, in regards to both the legitimacy and timeliness of the experience. Sorry but someone had to say it.

Chaos Rofl Copter · Apr 16, 2008, 07:27 PM // 19:27

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Originally Posted by omenowner

In all honesty I am an old school pvp'r. I played HA about a year and a half ago. And by play I mean my guild held halls several times, as well as being very good at blood spike when it was still popular. I see pvp now and actually laugh. I still use the same old shock axe build someone showed me when I first started to do HA, and it still does more damage than almost any other warrior build I have seen. I got all my experience without using IWAY once. It might not be much with only 60 or so, but I am happy knowing I earned all of that experience. I would be more than willing to bet that if I were to join a R9 or R10 I would be able to play at the same level as all of them simply because this game has gone to crap. I put all my pvp skill from GvG. Thankfully that hasn't been as tainted as the rest of the other pvp options in the game. I really think there should not so much be a split of the ranks, but rather two different arenas all together. Have Hero's Ascent be r6-9 and make another arena for r<6. That way people can have their ego battles in the higher arena while the lower people can still enjoy doing what the game was originally about. Having fun and good competition.

tl;dr: I am probably better than the r9s out there today. I don't care about what you think. There should be 2 arenas to stop all the complaining about higher and lower. One for r6-9. And one for r<6.

if there were two arenas for fame, then all the people in the low arenas would just abuse sway to get quick fame, so that they would be able to advance to the high level fame arena. so, thats kinda unbalancing fame. etc,

omenowner · Apr 16, 2008, 09:15 PM // 21:15

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Originally Posted by tha walkin dude

I'm not sure that the solutions offered by a guy, who got 60 fame off bspike a year ago, are really relevant, in regards to both the legitimacy and timeliness of the experience. Sorry but someone had to say it.

ok if you want to be a wise ass take it from a guy who has been playing from the start, and has seen all the changes go through the game. There is a reason I stopped doing HA and that was simply because the guild that I was in at the time quit. I just recently even started playing pvp seriously again, and I'm still more than capable. If you think your amazing then that's great and prove it. I've held halls just like I am sure you have. I'm saying that if I were to get back on with that guild we could still do it despite all the stupid r9 bs.

Ka Tet · Apr 16, 2008, 09:46 PM // 21:46

Not sure how you could have held halls if you only have 60 fame. Unless it was UW-skips. Otherwise, that would mean that you only ever did halls twice and went through the maps to win and hold HoH on both of those occaisions. then quit playing game. Altho, if by hold you mean that you won halls and did not "hold" for consectuive matches, then you could have UW-skipped a few times at off peak hours to win, but that doesn't really count as holding or as having great experience. Plus, you said it was with bloodspike - that doesn't exactly count as serious HA experience.
If you expect people to take you and your suggestions seriously, you probably should not say that you are better than everyone else at competing in HA, when you have very little experience playing HA. Its also probably a bad idea to refer to a game mode as being tainted when you're only experience with it helped to taint it - B-Spike is a far cry from balanced.

Kyp Jade · Apr 16, 2008, 10:43 PM // 22:43

Bspike was one of the more balanced forms of spike tho, I'd prefer a return to bspike days than todays current meta. /sigh, i miss CG rangers

Creeper · Apr 16, 2008, 11:43 PM // 23:43

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

Well, Ob'sing HoH, 99% of the time you will see bad players...
Seems just yesterday when I saw the W/E (Legoway lol) running up to a guy, shock him, run away to a monk who was standing still for a long time already (Fail) and bull's strike him for no apparent reason...

I know for a fact the warrior was r11... No need to say more...

You would have to be r11+ to understand why a r11 would do something. How do you know what happened, maybe the "guy" was sb'd or wow'd and the warrior quickly changed target to fake out the prot. And like someone else said, monks do pre-kite so your argument kinda fails.Honestly, you have no right to criticize anyone, you cant get past UW without 8 healers and a fast repeating 1600+dmg spike.

C+Space and saying 3,2,1 a million times over doesn't make you that good. Maybe if you didn't rtspike all your fame you wouldn't see things through a r3 lens.

I love your use of the phrase "no apparent reason..." Do you use that a lot in RL? For Example, to describe why you probably have no friends, life or intelligence. Maybe you should search for reasons instead of posting on here non stop QQ'ing about builds you cant beat that need "nerfs".
You don't know me but I know you, I never forget a Lamer. Neither do most people, thats why you think you are famous, instead of just being a famous asshole.

Killed u man · Apr 17, 2008, 12:09 AM // 00:09

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Originally Posted by Creeper

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If you want to shock people when they are standing still that's fine, just don't call ME the bad player... I fail to see the logic on how sb or WoW has got anything to do with shocking that person? Fake prots in HA? We're talking about HA here. (Psst it's called Channeling)

The warrior was bad, sadly enough ME, as a r12 ritspiker as you like to call it, knows how to play Warrior better than a R11, so my point still stands...

I CAN admit I played ritspike for alot of my fame (25-30%) and I CAN admit the build is lame. It is here where the funny thing comes in, because EVERYONE in HA thinks they are oh-so-good. Yet when I observe my play/strategy in HoH and compare it to these so-called-pro-balanced-guilds, I seriously wonder if "ritspiking" your fame is so bad alltogether...

Just so we get straight on this one: The fact that I ritspiked my rank (I MADE ritspike, aswell as tons of other builds, so don't even call my /copy or metanewb) doesn't change the fact that I am, up till this day, one of the best callers HA has ever known/will know. I would nearly go as far as saying I would LOVE to compete my "logic" with other people in a fair match.
I'm the retarded ritspiker, yet I'm one of the VERY few people that realize Capture Points in HoH is unfair.

I don't understand why U take random numbers and claim out of your a$$, but let's once again get straight on some things:
-I never was against the nerf of ritspike, heck, IF you can dig up the thread (if there even was one) I'm 99% sure I would have posted in one of the first pages on HOW to effectvly nerf it.
-8 Healers? Try 5 for a change (I know the build, I MADE the build)
-1600+ dmg? Seriously, people say I exagerate?

I can post a screenie of you want, I play with arrow-keys, making C-space IMPOSSIBLE to play for me. There is 1 sole reason for which I never acticly tried IWAY, or sway: I cant C-space. (It's true, my keyboard set-up smply doesn't allow me to play buttonbash)

Hate to break it to you, but from the top of my head, I can recall 7 builds that never required 3-2-1 to win:
-IWAY/ViMWAY
-NR/Tranq
-Thumpway/Sway/Heroway
-Assa-Casterway
-Jagged Bones
-Migraine
-Dual Smite/Triple

None of these were ever concidered highly ammongst the community. 3-2-1 IS ALL HA HAS BEEN. Since day 1 people realized spiking IS more effective then pressure in the closed maps of HA.

Let's be cool and start about eachother's life, right? Cuz we both know I would actually start crying when someone with the IQ of what I think should be around that of a primate says I have no friends, life or intelligence?

Ciric · Apr 17, 2008, 12:55 AM // 00:55

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

BLAH BLAH BLAH

you forgot minion factory and true eoe bomb!!!!

Ate of DK · Apr 17, 2008, 01:22 AM // 01:22

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

Just so we get straight on this one: The fact that I ritspiked my rank (I MADE ritspike, aswell as tons of other builds, so don't even call my /copy or metanewb) doesn't change the fact that I am, up till this day, one of the best callers HA has ever known/will know.

Most normal persons won't talk about themselves like this.