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m is for mikey · May 14, 2008, 05:03 AM // 05:03

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Originally Posted by moriz

the big picture is built upon the little things. if you let the little things slide, the big picture collapses.

of course, if being mediocre is your goal, then your philosophy works.

totally understand man.

Edwards · May 14, 2008, 06:16 AM // 06:16

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Originally Posted by moriz

i've seen a video of chiizu playing gvg from his PoV, and he used it constantly. the overall effect is like he's got a permanent 15% speedboost at all times. it's quite amazing to see.

If you could find a link, I'd love to see that, and I think it would help illustrate the point for everyone.

Patrick Smit · May 14, 2008, 08:04 AM // 08:04

Ive seen an assassin in RA using it against me constantly trying to block my "retreat direction", however it is very useless if u just kite away from him. It is usefull when other opponents also can and do target u because you stay longer in the danger zone. But I have to say when he/she is a good quarterstepper it will be very annoying.

Taurus · May 14, 2008, 10:13 AM // 10:13

lol they have a name for it ? Well who would know...

moriz · May 14, 2008, 12:53 PM // 12:53

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Originally Posted by Edwards

If you could find a link, I'd love to see that, and I think it would help illustrate the point for everyone.

http://teamlove.us/kisu/modules.php?...viewtopic&t=11

IMMORTAlMITCH · May 14, 2008, 02:28 PM // 14:28

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Originally Posted by moriz

the big picture is built upon the little things. if you let the little things slide, the big picture collapses.

of course, if being mediocre is your goal, then your philosophy works.

Most people in this thread have a lot more to worry about than 'quarterstepping'.

Learn the basics of something first before you bother with more 'advanced' stuff.

moriz · May 14, 2008, 02:56 PM // 14:56

i consider quarterstepping to be basic. basic, as in the most fundamental. playing warrior without quarterstepping is like monking by staring at the party bar. you simply won't get any better without it.

IMMORTAlMITCH · May 14, 2008, 03:08 PM // 15:08

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Originally Posted by moriz

i consider quarterstepping to be basic. basic, as in the most fundamental. playing warrior without quarterstepping is like monking by staring at the party bar. you simply won't get any better without it.

And you're a top player?

Observe any match between 'top' teams, over 75% of the warriors doesn't quarterstep at all (or very rarely), it's not needed, and for people that are (relatively) new to PvP trying to quarterstep effectively will likely compromise their field awareness.

Quarterstepping helps, it makes you a better player, but it's not even nearly as important as you make it seem.

Like I said, learn the basics first, then start bothering with tips n tricks.

moriz · May 14, 2008, 03:24 PM // 15:24

i'm not a top player, and i don't need to be. i've learned the basics a long time ago, and this "trick" is one of them. the only thing keeping me from being a top player, is that i can't be bothered to put in the effort, and to put up with the nonsense involved.

quarterstepping improves your field awareness, since you need to have good field awareness to use it to block off the best escape paths. it's the same thing with monking by watching the field instead of the party bar. you're gonna suck terribly the first time you do it, but it will eventually allow you to improve much more. i see no reason why beginners should begin with this trick.

snaek · May 14, 2008, 04:08 PM // 16:08

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Originally Posted by IMMORTAlMITCH

Observe any match between 'top' teams, over 75% of the warriors doesn't quarterstep at all (or very rarely), it's not needed, and for people that are (relatively) new to PvP trying to quarterstep effectively will likely compromise their field awareness.

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Originally Posted by moriz

quarterstepping improves your field awareness, since you need to have good field awareness to use it to block off the best escape paths. it's the same thing with monking by watching the field instead of the party bar. you're gonna suck terribly the first time you do it, but it will eventually allow you to improve much more. i see no reason why beginners should begin with this trick.

i was wonderin bout teh same thing...
wouldnt they lose awareness?

moriz, it would improve their field awareness on that one target,
but wut bout the battle as a whole?

i mean they (new player) can be pressuring that monk hard and pushin forward
and not even realize his backline is gettin raped and r fallin bak

moriz · May 14, 2008, 04:14 PM // 16:14

there's a difference between being unaware and being braindead.

"field awareness" is the awareness of the battlefield as a whole, not just what you are currently pounding on. eventually it will develop to the point where you won't lose track of everything around you, which is good. this trick merely accelerates that process.

snaek · May 14, 2008, 04:30 PM // 16:30

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Originally Posted by moriz

there's a difference between being unaware and being braindead.

"field awareness" is the awareness of the battlefield as a whole, not just what you are currently pounding on. eventually it will develop to the point where you won't lose track of everything around you, which is good. this trick merely accelerates that process.

the point is concentrating on a single task,
versus distributing that concentration to multiple tasks

-not-... 'being able to concentrate vs teh lack of concentration'

and while this skill may improve ur awareness,
so will other skills

the question to be aksed is if this is one of the 'key' skills that needs to be worked on
or is ur time better spent focusing on improving other skills?

yes, there r times when this tactic can prove very useful
but to be spammin it 24/7 on every attack?

btw, offtopic, but do/have u played gunz?

Kaida the Heartless · May 14, 2008, 11:39 PM // 23:39

I've found that a target sometimes escapes with <50 hp. This is one of those situations where a quarterstep / narc shuffle would have netted a kill.

It's important. Not on every attack, but know its there and how to use it.

IrishCB · May 15, 2008, 12:02 AM // 00:02

If quarterstepping is eventually getting behind the target to block off escape routes, doesn't this also increase DPS?; mainly for the fact that you auto crit when behind a foe?

Killed u man · May 15, 2008, 01:25 AM // 01:25

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Originally Posted by IrishCB

If quarterstepping is eventually getting behind the target to block off escape routes, doesn't this also increase DPS?; mainly for the fact that you auto crit when behind a foe?

Hi, My name is Cptn. Obvious...

IrishCB · May 15, 2008, 01:37 AM // 01:37

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

Hi, My name is Cptn. Obvious...

This was a bit uncalled for; I just asked a simple question. Thanx Spanky

Greedy Gus · May 15, 2008, 02:04 AM // 02:04

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Originally Posted by IMMORTAlMITCH

And you're a top player?

Observe any match between 'top' teams, over 75% of the warriors doesn't quarterstep at all (or very rarely), it's not needed, and for people that are (relatively) new to PvP trying to quarterstep effectively will likely compromise their field awareness.

Quarterstepping helps, it makes you a better player, but it's not even nearly as important as you make it seem.

Like I said, learn the basics first, then start bothering with tips n tricks.

QFT, it's pretty silly that people like moriz & divine are trying to post here comparing this 'quarterstepping' to a monk weapon-swapping or watching something other than party bars, saying that it's a necessary trait to being a good warrior. The good warriors who have already posted in this thread already said that this skill provides only minor benefits in almost all cases, but also takes a certain amount of attention (from a limited pool, therefore taking away some attention from other tasks such as directing a team's offense or strategy).

And you can probably count on one hand the players who actually make the effort to do this quarterstepping all the time. That's pretty telling as far as the payoff goes, unless you're ready to call all the other top players lazy or bad.

Symbol · May 15, 2008, 03:05 AM // 03:05

As I said earlier, quarterstepping 100% of the time doesn't make sense unless you can predict where your target is going to go 100% of the time.

Food · May 15, 2008, 03:23 AM // 03:23

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Originally Posted by JR

or getting a Bull's off on ice without getting the snare.

How do you do that? Pressing and holding W/A/S/D while hitting the key for Bulls?

Kaida the Heartless · May 15, 2008, 05:47 AM // 05:47

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Originally Posted by Food

How do you do that? Pressing and holding W/A/S/D while hitting the key for Bulls?

Get to your target, hit Bull's Strike. Halfway through your swing, click to the side or behind you. They are now snared and you are not!