May 31, 2008, 07:16 AM // 07:16
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#61
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Ascalonian Squire
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: 3rd world country
Guild: We Kite Holding Hands [ミズズズ]
Profession: W/E
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sounds like the perfect build then everyone go run it!
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Jun 14, 2008, 03:53 AM // 03:53
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#62
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Banned
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You wrote a super long though somewhat interesting post for nothing. HA is bad because gimmicks are allowed to dominate it. That's a balance problem. Yes, the map objectives are retarded, but even if we went back to annihilation and altars, sway would still win because they have kill power + invincibility for the low low cost of 2 energy per skill.
Also, anet doesn't read forums, post this on izzy's talk page or something.
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Jun 14, 2008, 05:47 AM // 05:47
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#63
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Wilds Pathfinder
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DreamWind is the only one who said anything remotely intelligent in this thread. And that was back in page 1.
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Jun 15, 2008, 07:37 AM // 07:37
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#64
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Krytan Explorer
Join Date: Jun 2007
Guild: Ray
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Many people here say Fame killed HA. Guys, Fame was around from the first day of tombs. When I started tombing I dreamed about the emote exactly like swayers do today. If fame killed HA, then how do you explain the first months being so good compared to today? Famelust ALWAYS existed, it's not something new.
So what is the reason of tombs>>>>>ha? Here's the process-
-First months- almost weekly skill balances, and GOOD ones. Tombs is fun to play due to constant metashift.
-Balance issues start to form when ha gets less attention in balances.
-Failctions and Nightfail screw up game balance entirely, Gimmicks conquer HA.
-Izzy goes bananas (no nerf to WS on last update, FAIL).
-All that results in good players leaving HA. Lame Xwayers become 90% of the pug playerbase.
-No pugs = dead HA.
And I'd like to add as response to the flamewar going on about ritspike- feeling superior to someone because he uses 'lower' builds successfully is simply pathetic. And no, I never joined an Iway/sway/ritspike ever. A build that on one hand is very powerful and on the other hand very easy to run, is in my opinion, besides from being overpowered, ingenius. And I also disagree with the negative connotation of 'Build Wars'. Why is simply outbuilding your opponent a less honorable victory than outplaying him? But that's not really on topic so I'll stop here. And again, don't flame me I never played ritspike.
Last edited by shoogi; Jun 15, 2008 at 07:51 AM // 07:51..
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Jun 15, 2008, 11:45 AM // 11:45
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#65
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Frost Gate Guardian
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Quote:
Originally Posted by shoogi
And I also disagree with the negative connotation of 'Build Wars'. Why is simply outbuilding your opponent a less honorable victory than outplaying him?
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lol
12 digits
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Jun 15, 2008, 04:12 PM // 16:12
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#66
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Krytan Explorer
Join Date: Nov 2006
Guild: Pita Bread And Scud Missiles Ai[iiii]
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Quote:
Originally Posted by shoogi
And I also disagree with the negative connotation of 'Build Wars'. Why is simply outbuilding your opponent a less honorable victory than outplaying him?
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If it's your build, it's not--unless the skills are drastically O/P or lame.
However if it's wiki's build, that's different. Copy and pasting a build that doesn't require you to play as well to win, means that you contributed nothing or next to nothing to any victorys you gain.
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Jun 15, 2008, 05:13 PM // 17:13
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#67
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Krytan Explorer
Join Date: Jun 2007
Guild: Ray
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I accept that but how can you blame players for using overpowered builds? Blame Izzy, not Borat.
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Jun 15, 2008, 05:48 PM // 17:48
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#68
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Wilds Pathfinder
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DreamWind is the only one who said anything remotely intelligent in this thread. And that was back in page 1
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Jun 15, 2008, 06:40 PM // 18:40
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#69
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Frost Gate Guardian
Join Date: Aug 2007
Guild: Puff Puff Pass That Oh W T F [B스n]
Profession: Me/P
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tha walkin dude
If it's your build, it's not--unless the skills are drastically O/P or lame.
However if it's wiki's build, that's different. Copy and pasting a build that doesn't require you to play as well to win, means that you contributed nothing or next to nothing to any victorys you gain.
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I'd love to see where this ritspike or any of the three ritspikes that are regularly run are posted on wiki. I checked the PvX wiki couldn't even find a Ritspike posted. Maybe I missed it, I wouldn't actually know where to check to be honest.
The version we run, we being [hit] is our own version and regardless of Borat/Metal's involvement in making the build Pestilence was with Metal when they kept experimenting with the build and making it viable for today's HA.
And to be honest after how much u flamed us last night before getting flawlessed...playing a rit in a ritspike takes more talent than a paragon in a balanced. any day of the week.
And if ritspike is OP....By all means pick it up and run it. I'd be impressed if u got past UW. And by all mean's ave fun playing it on a a cap point map because its pretty much the worst build in the game there...
Last edited by Free Sigils; Jun 15, 2008 at 06:55 PM // 18:55..
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Jun 15, 2008, 07:29 PM // 19:29
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#70
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Krytan Explorer
Join Date: Nov 2006
Guild: Pita Bread And Scud Missiles Ai[iiii]
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Free Sigils
I'd love to see where this ritspike or any of the three ritspikes that are regularly run are posted on wiki. I checked the PvX wiki couldn't even find a Ritspike posted. Maybe I missed it, I wouldn't actually know where to check to be honest.
The version we run, we being [hit] is our own version and regardless of Borat/Metal's involvement in making the build Pestilence was with Metal when they kept experimenting with the build and making it viable for today's HA.
And to be honest after how much u flamed us last night before getting flawlessed...playing a rit in a ritspike takes more talent than a paragon in a balanced. any day of the week.
And if ritspike is OP....By all means pick it up and run it. I'd be impressed if u got past UW. And by all mean's ave fun playing it on a a cap point map because its pretty much the worst build in the game there...
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hmm
1 i wasnt talking to you.
2 since you feel the need to address me, i feel compelled to say that you're running a broken build which only requires 2 players to do anything other than connect to the hivemind
3 we played a balanced build put together by yours truly with the assistance of nick, not someone else's broken O/P build
4 our callers vent dc/ed, lol for feeling good about yourself
5 we had terri monks
6 i run midline, b/c i call strat
7 your guild is a joke
8 if you disagree with number 7, i can ask cuban why he used your guilds ritspike to farm his tigger than raged b/c your guild is bad and can only play one build
9 tell fattie i said hi
10 i dont run ritspike, EVER, so no i won't be trying it
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Jun 15, 2008, 08:40 PM // 20:40
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#71
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Hall Hero
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: California Canada/BC
Guild: STG Administrator
Profession: Mo/
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What is up with HA as I was there lastnight as I haven't been there in some time and American D1 was empty as well as most other districts?The only real active ones were Europe/German D1 and International D1.
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Jun 15, 2008, 09:23 PM // 21:23
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#72
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Wilds Pathfinder
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Netherlands
Guild: None but Fools [nuts]
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Age
What is up with HA as I was there lastnight as I haven't been there in some time and American D1 was empty as well as most other districts?The only real active ones were Europe/German D1 and International D1.
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Yes, these days you won't find many people outside these districts.
Might find a bit more players when there is no double GvG/HB weekend but it won't be much more.
The days of overcrowded districts are over for quite some time, sadly.
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Jun 16, 2008, 04:28 PM // 16:28
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#73
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Frost Gate Guardian
Join Date: Aug 2007
Guild: Puff Puff Pass That Oh W T F [B스n]
Profession: Me/P
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tha walkin dude
hmm
1 i wasnt talking to you.
2 since you feel the need to address me, i feel compelled to say that you're running a broken build which only requires 2 players to do anything other than connect to the hivemind
3 we played a balanced build put together by yours truly with the assistance of nick, not someone else's broken O/P build
4 our callers vent dc/ed, lol for feeling good about yourself
5 we had terri monks
6 i run midline, b/c i call strat
7 your guild is a joke
8 if you disagree with number 7, i can ask cuban why he used your guilds ritspike to farm his tigger than raged b/c your guild is bad and can only play one build
9 tell fattie i said hi
10 i dont run ritspike, EVER, so no i won't be trying it
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1. After all the flaming in game and out of game and then posting in this thread, How am I supposed to know?
2. Hivemind = working as a team. Being on the same page. As you well know in a Sway or crappy pressurways/randomways you all just run around and whack wtf you want. Definitely much better. Plus, my point still stands that you Mwere playing para. Saying "DA 1" is pretty ruff i know.
3. Yeah your Balance with a war some paras a mesmer some eles and two monks is completely original. Who would have thought of a build like that before? And its bareley someone elses'. Anyone can balance/legoway.
4. Yeah - whatever.
5. Convenient. Either you got a UW skip to Golden Gates or they weren't that "Terri".
6. I really have no response to this. Other than I hear some people call and make the strat decisions. But Idk.
7. I Lol'ed IRL. Must suck to get flawlessed by Joke guilds.
8. By all means do ask Cuban. LoL. I know exactly why he left and that you're wrong. I also know he still comes on our vent, is in our alliance, and plays with us regularly but thats obviously just a sham. And we are a two hit wonder thank you very much. Ritspike is our second build.
9. You know in Logic theres something called an Ad Homenim attack. Ad Homenum is of course Latin which means "to the man". It is a tactic used to disguise the fact that you really have nothing to say and just cover it up by trying to drag people into flame wars and personal attacks.
10. This is my favorite comment. Considering I kicked your guild from our alliance because we got sick of seeing you in ID1 on a R/D and seeing you in opposing team sways, but you'd never touch ritspike!!!!11 its of the Devil.
Thank you for making my day.
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Jun 16, 2008, 04:49 PM // 16:49
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#74
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Frost Gate Guardian
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Free Sigils
1. After all the flaming in game and out of game and then posting in this thread, How am I supposed to know?
2. Hivemind = working as a team. Being on the same page. As you well know in a Sway or crappy pressurways/randomways you all just run around and whack wtf you want. Definitely much better. Plus, my point still stands that you Mwere playing para. Saying "DA 1" is pretty ruff i know.
3. Yeah your Balance with a war some paras a mesmer some eles and two monks is completely original. Who would have thought of a build like that before? And its bareley someone elses'. Anyone can balance/legoway.
4. Yeah - whatever.
5. Convenient. Either you got a UW skip to Golden Gates or they weren't that "Terri".
6. I really have no response to this. Other than I hear some people call and make the strat decisions. But Idk.
7. I Lol'ed IRL. Must suck to get flawlessed by Joke guilds.
8. By all means do ask Cuban. LoL. I know exactly why he left and that you're wrong. I also know he still comes on our vent, is in our alliance, and plays with us regularly but thats obviously just a sham. And we are a two hit wonder thank you very much. Ritspike is our second build.
9. You know in Logic theres something called an Ad Homenim attack. Ad Homenum is of course Latin which means "to the man". It is a tactic used to disguise the fact that you really have nothing to say and just cover it up by trying to drag people into flame wars and personal attacks.
10. This is my favorite comment. Considering I kicked your guild from our alliance because we got sick of seeing you in ID1 on a R/D and seeing you in opposing team sways, but you'd never touch ritspike!!!!11 its of the Devil.
Thank you for making my day.
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PLEASE fix ur problems with each other in whisper. You are not contributing anything to the thread.
People like you make Guildwars a world wherein people will only flame eachother, and do stupid ganks the other teammates didnt ask for.
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Jun 16, 2008, 07:19 PM // 19:19
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#75
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Krytan Explorer
Join Date: Nov 2006
Guild: Pita Bread And Scud Missiles Ai[iiii]
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Free Sigils
1. After all the flaming in game and out of game and then posting in this thread, How am I supposed to know?
2. Hivemind = working as a team. Being on the same page. As you well know in a Sway or crappy pressurways/randomways you all just run around and whack wtf you want. Definitely much better. Plus, my point still stands that you Mwere playing para. Saying "DA 1" is pretty ruff i know.
3. Yeah your Balance with a war some paras a mesmer some eles and two monks is completely original. Who would have thought of a build like that before? And its bareley someone elses'. Anyone can balance/legoway.
4. Yeah - whatever.
5. Convenient. Either you got a UW skip to Golden Gates or they weren't that "Terri".
6. I really have no response to this. Other than I hear some people call and make the strat decisions. But Idk.
7. I Lol'ed IRL. Must suck to get flawlessed by Joke guilds.
8. By all means do ask Cuban. LoL. I know exactly why he left and that you're wrong. I also know he still comes on our vent, is in our alliance, and plays with us regularly but thats obviously just a sham. And we are a two hit wonder thank you very much. Ritspike is our second build.
9. You know in Logic theres something called an Ad Homenim attack. Ad Homenum is of course Latin which means "to the man". It is a tactic used to disguise the fact that you really have nothing to say and just cover it up by trying to drag people into flame wars and personal attacks.
10. This is my favorite comment. Considering I kicked your guild from our alliance because we got sick of seeing you in ID1 on a R/D and seeing you in opposing team sways, but you'd never touch ritspike!!!!11 its of the Devil.
Thank you for making my day.
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1. i was talking to shoogi, but its funny that when i say something about people running other people's broken builds you assume its you, wonder why?
2. means one person thinking for the group, with no outside thought at all from the supporting cast, i.e. completely leeching off your caller
3. hrm learn to count maybe? also you should prolly see whats being done in a build before commenting, but since you cant learn alot about that by playing ritspike, you probably lack the ability so lets forget that one
4. still lol for feeling good about yourself
5. its hard to beat a broken o/p spike with less than spectacular monks, i apologize to my monks they were not terri, but they were not up to dealing with a broken o/p spike
6. no i call strat from midline, my melee calls spikes. i like it better that way.
7. hrm not really, if it were a joke guild that was running a real build, then i would feel bad
8. did and its true, and perhaps i should correct myself a bit, i was refering to builds that you are able to win with
9. nah i just felt like throwing that one in there, and if you paid attention: its located at the end after all the other points were made, i believe youre just trying to distract from those points.
and what are you still doing here, i thought i told you to go tell fattie i said hi
10. no you didnt, we were making fun of your guild for running ritspike, we actually would have been out of the alliance much sooner, but jehru was designated as guild leader and he had some serious real life stuff to attend to and could not log on, so we had to keep making fun of your guild to get kicked, i seriously cant believe you guys withstood a week of trashing before doing it
11. i didnt want to be a dick. it does not make me feel good to make you feel bad, but seriously you asked for it. and btw you just derailed your own thread which was actually promising at the start. gg
p.s. my apologies to tim and the other posters
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Jun 16, 2008, 08:17 PM // 20:17
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#76
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Frost Gate Guardian
Join Date: Aug 2007
Guild: Puff Puff Pass That Oh W T F [B스n]
Profession: Me/P
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Quote:
supa tim]PLEASE fix ur problems with each other in whisper. You are not contributing anything to the thread.
People like you make Guildwars a world wherein people will only flame eachother, and do stupid ganks the other teammates didnt ask for.
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Yeah this thread should have been closed like two pages ago when it just turned into a flamewar and completely ignored the topic. I no longer care. And I've watched you troll other topics and flame people at random so gtfo please.
Quote:
Originally Posted by tha walkin dude
1. i was talking to shoogi, but its funny that when i say something about people running other people's broken builds you assume its you, wonder why?
2. means one person thinking for the group, with no outside thought at all from the supporting cast, i.e. completely leeching off your caller
3. hrm learn to count maybe? also you should prolly see whats being done in a build before commenting, but since you cant learn alot about that by playing ritspike, you probably lack the ability so lets forget that one
4. still lol for feeling good about yourself
5. its hard to beat a broken o/p spike with less than spectacular monks, i apologize to my monks they were not terri, but they were not up to dealing with a broken o/p spike
6. no i call strat from midline, my melee calls spikes. i like it better that way.
7. hrm not really, if it were a joke guild that was running a real build, then i would feel bad
8. did and its true, and perhaps i should correct myself a bit, i was refering to builds that you are able to win with
9. nah i just felt like throwing that one in there, and if you paid attention: its located at the end after all the other points were made, i believe youre just trying to distract from those points.
and what are you still doing here, i thought i told you to go tell fattie i said hi
10. no you didnt, we were making fun of your guild for running ritspike, we actually would have been out of the alliance much sooner, but jehru was designated as guild leader and he had some serious real life stuff to attend to and could not log on, so we had to keep making fun of your guild to get kicked, i seriously cant believe you guys withstood a week of trashing before doing it
11. i didnt want to be a dick. it does not make me feel good to make you feel bad, but seriously you asked for it. and btw you just derailed your own thread which was actually promising at the start. gg
p.s. my apologies to tim and the other posters
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1. Hai. My name is Free Sigils. This is my thread. It's been a flamewar on my guild's build by small minded people for two-three pages now. When your post to shoogi was still in refence to his comment on rit-spike in my topic I definitely felt relevant to the dicussion.
2. Yeah your dumb if you think thats all you do. Honestly i can't even explain it to you if you're that small minded and can't actually think about how builds work more than "omg they spike! they can't think for themselves!"
3. My apologies if my count of your X paragons and Eles was off. I was infusing and honestly didn't give a shit. I tabbed thru saw a couple attunements, threw on the appropriate shield and then stopped paying attention. It was still a basic meta balanced despite what different elite you might be teching in.
4.....
5. [Aura of Stability]....
6. Your choice. Dun really care.
7. LoL.
8. Somehow i trust cuban more than you... And honestly you obviously didn't pay attention to HA because we've only been ritspiking for like 2-2.5 months, and holding halls for 5. But yeah Obviously rit spike is the only build we can run. Srsly.
9. Go back and read your post. You didn't make any points.... Just a bunch of random flames. Lol.
10. Your memory is bad. We kept you that long so that we could mock you as a sway guild. Not the other way around. Finally got bored and kicked you. Five minutes before hand you were like "OMG you guys run ritspike!! NEWBS!!" As you danced around us on your R/D.
11. You made me laugh. And this hasn't been on topic for like....3 pages here. I gave up. People aren't willing to try anything new, ot think outside the box and so HA will remain stagnant.I've been waiting for an Admin lock for like 2 weeks now. But apparently they like watching ritspike get flamed or something.
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Jun 16, 2008, 08:51 PM // 20:51
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#77
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Frost Gate Guardian
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Free Sigils
Yeah this thread should have been closed like two pages ago when it just turned into a flamewar and completely ignored the topic. I no longer care. And I've watched you troll other topics and flame people at random so gtfo please.
1. Hai. My name is Free Sigils. This is my thread. It's been a flamewar on my guild's build by small minded people for two-three pages now. When your post to shoogi was still in refence to his comment on rit-spike in my topic I definitely felt relevant to the dicussion.
2. Yeah your dumb if you think thats all you do. Honestly i can't even explain it to you if you're that small minded and can't actually think about how builds work more than "omg they spike! they can't think for themselves!"
3. My apologies if my count of your X paragons and Eles was off. I was infusing and honestly didn't give a shit. I tabbed thru saw a couple attunements, threw on the appropriate shield and then stopped paying attention. It was still a basic meta balanced despite what different elite you might be teching in.
4.....
5. [Aura of Stability]....
6. Your choice. Dun really care.
7. LoL.
8. Somehow i trust cuban more than you... And honestly you obviously didn't pay attention to HA because we've only been ritspiking for like 2-2.5 months, and holding halls for 5. But yeah Obviously rit spike is the only build we can run. Srsly.
9. Go back and read your post. You didn't make any points.... Just a bunch of random flames. Lol.
10. Your memory is bad. We kept you that long so that we could mock you as a sway guild. Not the other way around. Finally got bored and kicked you. Five minutes before hand you were like "OMG you guys run ritspike!! NEWBS!!" As you danced around us on your R/D.
11. You made me laugh. And this hasn't been on topic for like....3 pages here. I gave up. People aren't willing to try anything new, ot think outside the box and so HA will remain stagnant.I've been waiting for an Admin lock for like 2 weeks now. But apparently they like watching ritspike get flamed or something.
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At least Tha Walkin Dude is apologizing. Grow Up
Grz,
Timmeh
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Jun 17, 2008, 10:57 AM // 10:57
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#78
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Krytan Explorer
Join Date: Jun 2007
Guild: Ray
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Jun 17, 2008, 11:58 PM // 23:58
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#79
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Wilds Pathfinder
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Australia
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As soon as I see the word Fix or Broken in a thread topic it triggers off the skepticism alert. HA is very popular , that can hardly be classified as broken. If the meta was boring then people simply wouldn't play, they would do something else. Some argue that "top" HA teams don't play any more it's all fame farmers, I say so what, it's moved on from the early days, old players are elsewhere. There are still lots of good and bad teams to play against that's all that matters. The "top" teams are irrelevant in this type of PvP, as there is no ladder or classification system to define them.
Fort Aspenwood and Jade Quarry are broken.
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