Curse

Ka Tet · May 27, 2008, 08:10 PM // 20:10

Now that I've recovered from Moko's wanton abuse of power; I can now post again.
No matter what his background is as a player, I appreciate Sigil's initiative in looking for and addressing the problems of HA. And, I especially admire his honesty when he rates the quality of the players in his guild. It takes a man to speak the truth.
That being said, I think the entirety of this thread has lead to proof that Sigil's thesis is not entirely correct. As indirectly evidenced by the posts in this thread, the general deficiency in HA seems to be skill balancing, meaning the lack thereof. The fact that OP builds are allowed to go for way too long without balancing, drives people out. The non-nerfing of gimmick builds also drives people out, because they're boring to play against.
I'm not going to get into flaming builds, guilds and players, but I will say that in general: HA has become bad. My belief is that it's BuildWars that destroyed the game.
That's the primary reason that I only ran BYOBs when I returned to the game. Running without vent is the easiest way to watch players and learn who actually knows how to play as opposed to who is only able to attach to the hive-mind on vent and wait for the countdown. It makes it much easier to find good players. It's a great way to avoid the meta, have fun and meet new peeps. It's also one of the few viable ways to run pressure builds. For some reason, anytime you put people in vent, some jerk wants to count backwards from three. I just don't get it. If you learn how to play properly and find others who have, then you don't need to run spikes; you can all think for yourselves, have the same success and have a whole lot more fun.

A little note for the BYOB fans. BYOB is not shut down, but it probably won't be running nearly as often, because I now have to run guild groups, and those come first. So, BYOB will be limited to when guildies aren't on.
Peace.

American Redneck · May 28, 2008, 05:27 AM // 05:27

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Originally Posted by tyrant rex

your a spike is your "defense" the ability to quickly disppose of there offense and u have more then enough in the build to do so

even after cracked armor u still have 700+hp and 2 monks to watch the field with prot and heals lol

as for energy managment as a rit you have to press a button for oos on 40/40 set on an ele u have a glyph that is not affected by a 40/40 set as a monk in order to channeling tank you give up positioning as a mesmer the opposition actually have to cast thru u shame and u actually have to hit something with pdrain as a rit you just mash that 1 button on recharge

again rit spike is just another one of those builds that lets brainless nightfall babies win because it requires minimal brain power to play well

Honestly, that is the most absurd thing I have ever heard. If we are to listen to you, then no one should ever attack because their offense is operating as their defense. Do you prefer Monk Ball or Ele ball? Or prehaps Pacifism 8x ftw?

Also, why run a 40/40 on Channeling? So you can spike twice as fast without your team?

If you think ritspike is brainless, try running it. Go offline, find r0 pugs (remember, its brainless), and win HoH 13+ times. Then come back.

Edwards · May 28, 2008, 07:01 AM // 07:01

From what I've seen of it, playing a rit in a rtspike is fairly simple and requires not much more than playing a fire ele or something comparable. The caller, however, has a very difficult job in trying to be an effective snare, finding good spike targets, and timing the peculiar pattern of the spike.

You could run a 40/40 on Channeling for OoS, and then weapon swap for spiking. It's like when you run a 40/40 Earth set on a character with Ward Against Foes and Grasping, even if you're not an ele, and have no other Earth Magic spells on your bar.

Killed u man · May 28, 2008, 02:37 PM // 14:37

That rex guy is clearly a legowayer...

That's the elitism that lower ranked people complain about...

Look, ritspike is a gimmick, and it's FAIRLY easy to pull off... However, so is: hexway, rspike, legoway, Wounding Strikeway, Sway, Shockwarrior (in HA), Fire Ele, Paragon, Monk (Non Prot), Mesmer (You CAN see the difference between good and bad mesmer, but I've seen my share of "top guild" mesmers who don't even switch to 40/40 for shame, after being on a shield, for example), ...

HA is ALL about the gimmicks. The matter of fact is, that these "noob" Nightfall skill abusing ritspikers, as U like to call them, do nothing more than what everyone else does.

So wait, when a Ritualist abuses OP Nightfall skills, it's called a lame gimmick, but when paragons do, it's called balanced?

When Ritualists do it, it's called a lame gimmick, but when Fire eles do it, it's called balanced?

When Ritualists do it, it's called a lame gimmick, but when Splinter Rits do it, it's called balanced?

Point proven much? Ritspike currently is one of the harder gimmicks to pull off... Once again, if U want to complain about builds, complain about Dual Defensive Anthem Legoway, Rspike, hexway, etc...

tyrant rex · May 28, 2008, 02:38 PM // 14:38

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Originally Posted by American Redneck

Honestly, that is the most absurd thing I have ever heard. If we are to listen to you, then no one should ever attack because their offense is operating as their defense. Do you prefer Monk Ball or Ele ball? Or prehaps Pacifism 8x ftw?

Also, why run a 40/40 on Channeling? So you can spike twice as fast without your team?

If you think ritspike is brainless, try running it. Go offline, find r0 pugs (remember, its brainless), and win HoH 13+ times. Then come back.

he was claiming all you needed was a mes to stop the spike the spike and i said with sb on caller all u need to do is spike out there mes

its called wepon swapping dummy

nothing is going to be easy with r3 pugs however im assuming your from sigils guild and are one of the clueless ritspikers so ill use one of ure guildies as an example , oonosh is a complete idiot yet she plays rit in your rit spike quite often playing the rits is easy the only hard part is calling so your caller dose a fine job the rest of you on the other hand are dummies

thats what i mean by a brainless build when only 1 or 2 members have to be competent(caller+mabey prot monk in the case of rit spike) while the others can just leech

borat i like how you assume that people that dont like rit spike dont think things like splinter + arage is imba or the current wounding strike shit arent imba there all imba however to play those builds well you need more competent people then you do to play ritspike

this thread is just a waste of time like the many threads about the doom of ha lol the only hilarious common link they have is a ritspiker saying"hurrr we needs some more creative builds hurr hurr so you guysez stop playing your gimmickses and go play balance , while i continue to play my gimmick , k?"

Killed u man · May 28, 2008, 03:08 PM // 15:08

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Originally Posted by tyrant rex

borat i like how you assume that people that dont like rit spike dont think things like splinter + arage is imba or the current wounding strike shit arent imba there all imba however to play those builds well you need more competent people then you do to play ritspike

Ok, but why specificly point the finger to ritspike then? Which clearly is what you are doing? Ritspike got nerfed over and over again.

Legoway? Rspike? Hexway? They never got nerfed in the ways ritspike did. Ritspike went from completely redicilous, I agree, to a hard-to-pull-off gimmick, and the only reason why U still complain about it, is because of the negative taste people still have from the old one...

Seriously, STOP with the ritspike hate, ok, it could do with a small nerf, again, however, 4 builds that are in much bigger need of a nerf:

-Scythe builds (sway, Crit scythe and wounding strike spam)
-Rspike
-hexway
-Legoway

And unlikely some clueless people, I don't mean destroy, I mean a small "nerf", and adjustment to take a way the lol-imba party which belings infront of all these build names... (Besides sway, which isn't broken at all, but merely overplayer, I would love to see a new meta tough)

supa tim · May 28, 2008, 03:24 PM // 15:24

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

Seriously, STOP with the ritspike hate, ok, it could do with a small nerf, again, however, 4 builds that are in much bigger need of a nerf:

-Legoway

The only reason you want to see Legoway nerfed is because only experienced players play it coz if any other lamer plays it they fail.

and no we wont stop with the Rtspike hate because it was just and overpowered spike with heals/prots on thesame profession, high damage spike, slow recharge.

I bet if you would practice Rtspike over and over again with thesame people (guild) you would pwn halls with it anyway.

But no your 2 lazy to get better at a different build than Rspike so u wine at people who hate Rtspike.

Grz,

Timmeh

Free Sigils · May 28, 2008, 03:40 PM // 15:40

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Originally Posted by tyrant rex

he was claiming all you needed was a mes to stop the spike the spike and i said with sb on caller all u need to do is spike out there mes.

I hurd interupting Rits was good.

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Originally Posted by tyrant rex

nothing is going to be easy with r3 pugs however im assuming your from sigils guild and are one of the clueless ritspikers so ill use one of ure guildies as an example , oonosh is a complete idiot yet she plays rit in your rit spike quite often playing the rits is easy the only hard part is calling so your caller dose a fine job the rest of you on the other hand are dummies

You tell the r4 in our guild how its it hard with r3s. Lol. And it must be nice to be able to flame competent players from behind your forum name. Onoosh is a very smart midline player. But keep hiding your name and flaming. Its cool.

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Originally Posted by tyrant rex

thats what i mean by a brainless build when only 1 or 2 members have to be competent(caller+mabey prot monk in the case of rit spike) while the others can just leech

Well then my oppinion still matters because I monk for [hit] 85% of the time. Not the "brainless rits".

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Originally Posted by tyrant rex

this thread is just a waste of time like the many threads about the doom of ha lol the only hilarious common link they have is a ritspiker saying"hurrr we needs some more creative builds hurr hurr so you guysez stop playing your gimmickses and go play balance , while i continue to play my gimmick , k?"

Did i ever actually say a specfic build that people shouldn't play? I looked down on the mindset of SWAY, but that was about it. The whole point of this thread, which you turned into a flame fest because you can't handle my "overpowered gimmick" was about changing ha to change the fundamentals of fame farming. The best feedback has been from Kyp, and he dosen't even play any more and Borat, whose another ritspike nub.

Yet we're the scrubs.

Weird.

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Originally Posted by supa tim

The only reason you want to see Legoway nerfed is because only experienced players play it coz if any other lamer plays it they fail.

Lol...I was winning Halls with legoway at like rank 4. if thats experienced then yeah...GW was doomed years ago.

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Originally Posted by supa tim

and no we wont stop with the Rtspike hate because it was just and overpowered spike with heals/prots on thesame profession, high damage spike, slow recharge.

I bet if you would practice Rtspike over and over again with thesame people (guild) you would pwn halls with it anyway.

But no your 2 lazy to get better at a different build than Rspike so u wine at people who hate Rtspike.

Grz,

Timmeh

Borat i think that was a flame at you. It made no sense, but thats what I think it was. Lol. Apparently you're bad at ritspike but pro ranger spiker? Sounds about right.

Lorekeeper · May 28, 2008, 04:31 PM // 16:31

Nice thread!

*gets popcorn out and completely forgets what the thread is actually about cos people just started bitch slapping eachother*

dont stop on my account...

FaithfulDjinn · May 28, 2008, 04:46 PM // 16:46

where r the moderators when u need em?? honestly this was supposed to be a constructive thread for opinions on how to fix ha, instead it turned into a flame fest of our guild lawl. w.e cause of retards like u tyrant is why ha is broken

blackknight1337 · May 28, 2008, 05:44 PM // 17:44

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

And unlikely some clueless people, I don't mean destroy, I mean a small "nerf", and adjustment to take a way the lol-imba party which belings infront of all these build names... (Besides sway, which isn't broken at all, but merely overplayer, I would love to see a new meta tough)

Sadly Izzy doesn't know how to "small nerf" anything coughcough exhaustion on rits coughcough unless he's fed halfway decent ideas by some of those in the community who better fit the position than he does, which is usually how he fixes his muffs. Could go on with many more of the lolwtf skill "balances" he's done.

Alazare · May 28, 2008, 06:08 PM // 18:08

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Originally Posted by blackknight1337

Sadly Izzy doesn't know how to "small nerf" anything coughcough exhaustion on rits coughcough unless he's fed halfway decent ideas by some of those in the community who better fit the position than he does, which is usually how he fixes his muffs. Could go on with many more of the lolwtf skill "balances" he's done.

i just have to qft

Free Sigils · May 28, 2008, 07:57 PM // 19:57

Its Official - Anet hates us. Double Fame Weekend was like two months ago? Wtf?

supa tim · May 29, 2008, 01:22 PM // 13:22

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Originally Posted by Free Sigils

Lol...I was winning Halls with legoway at like rank 4. if thats experienced then yeah...GW was doomed years ago.

You fail to relativate.

Free Sigils · May 29, 2008, 03:40 PM // 15:40

Probably because that isn't a word.....
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/relativate

supa tim · May 29, 2008, 07:40 PM // 19:40

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Originally Posted by Free Sigils

Probably because that isn't a word.....
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/relativate

To have a relative view on things...

Im not english.

Toklom Erocdrah · May 29, 2008, 10:58 PM // 22:58

word ka tet , did you like how i dedicated

yea indeed peoples should stop flaming

i wanna say somthing about peoples complaining ,, about defense, defense is a part of the game there is defense so use it , when i make builds i always include defense else it would'nt work having whole group soft armor with stricly no defense or backup heal will lead you nowhere , i personally think vital and backup heals on rits in rit spike is'nt that much of a big "defense" if you know what i mean, you can still get pressured out or even get spiked ...(not necessary with high power spike like rspike) as sigils said it's not defense it's pure heals mainly

and also there is always a way to shut down defense
for exemple: you could have 2 DA but most peoples have interupts in their builds which makes DA kinda worthless with it's 2s cast

now ok if someone come up with a build like 2 DA 1 ward agaisnt harm 1 bsurge 1water it will be a "little bit" too defensive

Edwards · May 30, 2008, 06:27 AM // 06:27

Rtspike is actually best against pressure in my experience. When the monks start to panic, there are still five rits to help out. Not to mention the snares on the caller, and the fact that they can spike out the sources of your pressure.

Spike is hard to pull off as well, because the extra health from vitals, while it may not completely stop the spike, gives the infuser a bit of extra time to catch it. Not to mention than your spikers are probably either dead, hexed with blurred vision, or stuck in a ward.

Rtspike would be extremely imbalanced except for two things. One is cap points, and the other is that it's hard to find a caller who can pull it off.

Free Sigils · May 30, 2008, 02:16 PM // 14:16

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Originally Posted by supa tim

To have a relative view on things...

See Below.

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Originally Posted by supa tim

The only reason you want to see Legoway nerfed is because only experienced players play it coz if any other lamer plays it they fail.

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Originally Posted by Free Sigils

Lol...I was winning Halls with legoway at like rank 4. if thats experienced then yeah...GW was doomed years ago.

I was terrible at r4. Legoway dosen't need experience at all. But DA chain and Fire eles are sooo much harder than healing rits.

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Originally Posted by Edwards

When the monks start to panic, there are still five rits to help out.

Only three push bars as has been said like 87 times in this thread....-.-'

Killed u man · May 30, 2008, 04:24 PM // 16:24

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Originally Posted by Free Sigils

Only three push bars as has been said like 87 times in this thread....-.-'

He said "Help out", not "Heal"...

It is a fact that not a single non-spike skill in a ritspike goes to waste. In a balanced, a warrior has 2 defensive skills: "Shock and Dchop", the para's usually have 1 or 2, the fire ele none, etc...

With a ritspike EVERY SKILL adds to defense... You have the spike skills, which is also some form of defence (but so is pressure from a Warrior I gues), but then U have: Wards, Vital, 2-3 additional healers, Speed buffs -Make haste + FallBack-, Spirits, Snares, ...)

So yeah, monks in a ritspike can "relax", as in they have a net of skills to make them pretty much "failproof"...
This net however relies for 80% on Spirits being up, making it easy for you to find their weak spot ^^
But even without tough: Snare rit, Vitals, the fact that U gotta spend ALOT of time killing the spirits, Make haste, etc... the have a shitton of defence ^^