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NoXiFy · Jun 20, 2008, 06:10 AM // 06:10

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Originally Posted by Teh Jace

This can't work cuz of obvious reasons alrdy mentioned.
Also how to decide who is a top pvp player? Is champ5, hero11 bspiker who can't even weap swap a top player?
Is r12 rspiker a top player?

Just kick izzy. Izzy is a guy who thinks R/D are fun to play and they are interresting. Also he's a guy who listens to retarded wammos on his wiki talkpage. Yes on that wiki maintained by pve ppl.

All we need is a guy with brain who is able to make often and interresting skill updates.

Izzy's an awesome skill balancer in my opinion. You try to be creating a brand new MMO, while managing balance by watching all the top gvg and HoH matches AND posting on the wiki! He probaly works on GW2 at least 95% of the time, GW1 is still a priority, but all focus is on gW2. Untill you learn not to be so damn ignorant, or join a better guild that doesn't run r8+ sway [amP is HORRIBLE, deer park was your only good member, than he quit cause u swway 24/7.] Anyway, thats all.

supa tim · Jun 20, 2008, 07:48 AM // 07:48

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Originally Posted by NoXiFy

Izzy's an awesome skill balancer in my opinion. You try to be creating a brand new MMO, while managing balance by watching all the top gvg and HoH matches AND posting on the wiki! He probaly works on GW2 at least 95% of the time, GW1 is still a priority, but all focus is on gW2. Untill you learn not to be so damn ignorant, or join a better guild that doesn't run r8+ sway [amP is HORRIBLE, deer park was your only good member, than he quit cause u swway 24/7.] Anyway, thats all.

He is no skill balancer any more.
At least for HA.

Teh Jace · Jun 20, 2008, 08:01 AM // 08:01

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Originally Posted by NoXiFy

Izzy's an awesome skill balancer in my opinion. You try to be creating a brand new MMO, while managing balance by watching all the top gvg and HoH matches AND posting on the wiki! He probaly works on GW2 at least 95% of the time, GW1 is still a priority, but all focus is on gW2. Untill you learn not to be so damn ignorant, or join a better guild that doesn't run r8+ sway [amP is HORRIBLE, deer park was your only good member, than he quit cause u swway 24/7.] Anyway, thats all.

I play only 'balanced' builds. No hexway, no bspike, no rspike, no ritspike. I was playing balanced in AMp for more than 1 month since I joined them (cuz gvg turned into pure joke and still is). I wasn't there before and I would rather go farm FoW with r10 ursans than play sway.

AMp is now disbanded (also it was r11+ guild so ur info about sway must be rly new). And I don't even know why u care about AMp srsly. I don't even bother to elaborate on my entire pvp history since I'm being offended by tards, swayers and bspikers only (hi moto).

Izzy has been failing very hard lately (see the latest update and if u think it's a good one quit this discussion please). Don't defend him. And if he's busy with GW2 I don't care. Anet should hire someone who will care. Maybe kick the new CR (has she ever done something useful? I haven't heard) so money can be used to pay a good skill balancer?

And guys u had to pay for this game it was not free. Remember it and demand quality (and skill balance is an essential part of it).

One more thing: skill balancing is almost zero work for programmers (thus it's not expensive at all). It's all about changing values unless a skill functionality has to be reworked (how often is this happening?).

Killed u man · Jun 20, 2008, 02:39 PM // 14:39

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Originally Posted by Teh Jace

I play only 'balanced' builds. No hexway, no bspike, no rspike, no ritspike. I was playing balanced in AMp for more than 1 month since I joined them (cuz gvg turned into pure joke and still is). I wasn't there before and I would rather go farm FoW with r10 ursans than play sway.

AMp is now disbanded (also it was r11+ guild so ur info about sway must be rly new). And I don't even know why u care about AMp srsly. I don't even bother to elaborate on my entire pvp history since I'm being offended by tards, swayers and bspikers only (hi moto).

Izzy has been failing very hard lately (see the latest update and if u think it's a good one quit this discussion please). Don't defend him. And if he's busy with GW2 I don't care. Anet should hire someone who will care. Maybe kick the new CR (has she ever done something useful? I haven't heard) so money can be used to pay a good skill balancer?

And guys u had to pay for this game it was not free. Remember it and demand quality (and skill balance is an essential part of it).

One more thing: skill balancing is almost zero work for programmers (thus it's not expensive at all). It's all about changing values unless a skill functionality has to be reworked (how often is this happening?).

1) Don't bash on the CR... Her job is to maintain the link between Anet and the community. It is clear Anet themselves don't care at all about us, she is just caught up in the middle. She can't just "make" up skill balances for us, se wasn't hired to do that.
Look at the lame excuse Anet gave her why the skill balanced was so late: "Illness during the beginning of the week"... She can only do as she's told to, nothing more, nothing less.

2) Izzy IS a bad skill balancer. Sure, his focus isn't in HA. However, it clearly isn't on GvG either, nor RA, nor AB, nor TA or HB. WHAT is he balancing in fact?
He's pushing the most random skills into the meta. Now that's fine, I'm a major fan of pushing +-100 new skills into the meta EVERY month. BUT, when you do so, you do got to make sure the skills are either worth taking, or can exist in a non-button bash build...
Look at "Dark Pact": Reasonable skill, nice damage, BUT YOU JUST KNEW it was going to get abused in bloodspike... What it should have been: "For 2 Second target foe takes 5...60 damage each second", that way you COULD spike with it, but it would be weak, but you have some nice pressure. (1E, 1C, 2R for 120 armor ignoring damage, thats getting close to be on par with a warrior)
He fails, it can be said, it should be said and something should be done about it... 2 years ago...

3) It IS extra work, and alot even... It takes weeks of arguing on a forum such as this one, wether or not [Aura of Stability] is overpowered or not...
We, the community, have suggested people such as JR and divine to skill balanced FOR Anet. No money involved, just a community service.
What does Anet say to this VERY GENEROUS suggesting? .... Nothing, they simply do NOT care!

Think about it, HOW many games do you know, of which the community themselves are begging to keep it alive/fresh, just because the creator cba no more? Yeah, none... (I'm not talking about releasing source code here)

Grugio · Jun 20, 2008, 03:46 PM // 15:46

It's like you said, Free to play. Anet already has our money in their pockets. Why would they care about pushing out a quality game. How can they continue to read forum threads such as this one and not wake up and smell the coffee. Are they so busy with coming up with content for a game that could theoretically fail while they have a successful game here?

The only skill balancer(s) will be the people on ArenaNets paylist. Regardless of the good will of the people who want to make the game good, they will not allow someone they have little control over to play around with in this game. Yeah it sucks, but it's the truth.

supa tim · Jun 20, 2008, 04:27 PM // 16:27

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Originally Posted by Grugio

The only skill balancer(s) will be the people on ArenaNets paylist. Regardless of the good will of the people who want to make the game good, they will not allow someone they have little control over to play around with in this game. Yeah it sucks, but it's the truth.

Obviously Anet will decide if the skill changes will be used for the game. Its not like that the "commitee" can even change the skills themselves.

Frank Dudenstein · Jun 20, 2008, 08:42 PM // 20:42

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Originally Posted by Grugio

It's like you said, Free to play. Anet already has our money in their pockets. Why would they care about pushing out a quality game.

If you truly think that Arenanet (or any other American company) thinks this way .. you are retarded and need professional help. Not only do they take alot of pride in their game (I know this personally) but they also have a vested interest in continuing the quality to ensure GW2 and 3 and 4 are successes.

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Originally Posted by Grugio

How can they continue to read forum threads such as this one and not wake up and smell the coffee.

I hope realize that >90% of the people who purchased and enjoyed Guildwars have never been on a forum. Most (if not all) of those don't even know that skill balancing occurs. So don't overestimate the "Guru Community"s import. Sure, the hardcore community is important ... and they do listen to us. But there are MANY MANY more factors that go into the game than what Guru posters want.

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Originally Posted by Grugio

The only skill balancer(s) will be the people on ArenaNets paylist. Regardless of the good will of the people who want to make the game good, they will not allow someone they have little control over to play around with in this game. Yeah it sucks, but it's the truth.

Of course THIS is true ... Arenanet would be complete idiots if they let it be any other way. You see, YOU have a vested interest in improving YOUR format of choice. and Arenanet has a vested interest in improving the entire game. And that just doesn't mean all formats .. believe it or not they have a long term vison on where the game is headed, how they want their model to work, etc. YOU may not be aware of (or care about) those things, but THEY sure do.

However, I do believe that when it comes to specific PvP balances, they could pay a little more heed to 'specific' individuals who have proven themselves as experts in the format and also proven that they have the best interest of the game at heart. But thats about it.

Edge Martinez · Jun 21, 2008, 04:09 AM // 04:09

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Originally Posted by Mister_Abc

I keep seeing posts about midset... blah blah blah, organization, new players not being accepted, and all of it always comes down to one thing: Flavor of the Month builds. Yes, new players can't get into HA just because of the Flavor of the Month builds like sway that plagues the game and makes it so that the new players will always run that. That means fixing it will mean getting rid of the next sway, but every skill balance will bring in new sways, after however long.

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Thoughts or opinions?

Just want to point out that as a new player to HA, it was very easy to follow the guide posted here as a sticky, and get into the flow of things. I'm having a ball, have won halls, and have a general understanding of the maps and the goals. I'll get better, especially now that I'm getting on ranked teams, seeing new builds, and have a growing friends list.

What I see when I try and get my friends to play HA is an attitude that they aren't winning, so it's obviously not fun. Like, how come mending keeps their wammo up against the Lich, but not against that R/W? Basically, they just don't want to put in the work on their own to learn the system. Sure, they say they want to give it a try, but are reluctant to play with strangers, get on someone's comms, etc. They've done everything there is to do in PvE, and despite saying they want to do PvP, whenever I log on, I see them in PvE toons doing more farming runs.

The only imbalance with GW, IMHO, is that PvE offers instant gratification... which is addictive as crack to some, and PvP offers a long, frustrating, sometimes humiliating road to even be considered average. You have to make the choice and commit to starting down that road. I don't see a reason to cater to the ones who don't. I have to play by the same rules as you high ranked guys, and I ain't complaining. HA is fine as is to me.

Sierraa · Jun 24, 2008, 04:47 PM // 16:47

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Yes, new players can't get into HA just because of the Flavor of the Month builds like sway that plagues the game and makes it so that the new players will always run that. That means fixing it will mean getting rid of the next sway, but every skill balance will bring in new sways, after however long.

I honestly don't think it's that hard to get into HA. I got my r3 way back in the days of ToPK and then quit, came back about half a year ago, and never swayed. If new players would stop complaining about sway and being forced to run it, and stop complaining about rank discrimination, and acutally do something I think it'd make the community as a whole a bit better. There are acutally "nice" players out there still. There are acutally higher ranked players who will give you chance. I've picked up a few friends who said: "New to HA and looking for a bit of help" and they're happily high ranked now and helping other newbies.

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However, I don't really see how one person (Izzy) could keep up with all this, so I'm proposing a special committee from various guilds, sort of like the alpha testers, be assembled to discuss changes every month.

I'm happy with the current amount of skill buffs and there kinda is a commitee. [rawr] alliance talks to Izzy a lot, and while his Wiki page is full of PvErs that's still a lot of input.

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1. Guild Wars players are bastards.

That's not nice

My parents were married thank you.

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Ofc learning curve of this game is insane. It takes months to train a good pvp player and considering newbs are getting smashed by pro teams very often it's even worse.
But once u reach a high rank this game becomes very competitive and fun.
Also problem is many ppl who came from WoW and similar simple games just can't adapt but maybe they like shiny emotes so they are willing to spend tons of hrs with boring sway.

How is the learning curve of this game insane... put a nub on a fire ele and micro him for a bit. "Kill Spirits" "Press Rodgorts when I say 2" Tell him how to weapon swap. I tell people I use zxcv for my weapon sets and they should figure out a setup that's easy for them to swap on most if not all casts.

(Side note, Hi Motoko and Stu!

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