Curse

Frank Dudenstein · Jun 10, 2008, 12:30 PM // 12:30

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Originally Posted by FrAnt1c²

Ranger spike is easily countered imo, keep moving and have a somewhat decent infuser as said by Jace. Imo, the only skill that needs to be "fixed" is escape, since as that skill gets nerfed, the whole team will be nerfed, and sway will be less used... Or just used with lighning reflexes and Wounding strike but if you have an RC this shouldnt be a problem

I don't think escape is a problem at all .. wasting your elite for a speed boost? A total waste. (They already have LR so it's not like the %block is terribly great).

If anything in imbalanced on the R/D bar .. its rending touch. 8 sec recharge is too good. And I'm not crazy about making the condition 'must lose and enchant' because that just encourages other imba builds that exploit enchant-ending (ala the old grenth's aura). Just make Rending touch 15sec recharge and you are good.

Yichi · Jun 10, 2008, 12:57 PM // 12:57

The entire game is overdue for a good nerf overhaul, not just HA...

But yes HA is one of the areas that could use a good teargas grenade in the room to clear out the crap thats in it and start over.

Alazare · Jun 10, 2008, 01:16 PM // 13:16

I would just like to ask all the noobs to stop suggesting exhaustion on every skill they think is imbalanced thx

Free Sigils · Jun 10, 2008, 03:49 PM // 15:49

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Originally Posted by Alazare

I would just like to ask all the noobs to stop suggesting exhaustion on every skill they think is imbalanced thx

I was personally hoping that Infuse would start causing exhaustion. poop.

Ka Tet · Jun 10, 2008, 04:28 PM // 16:28

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Originally Posted by Yichi

The entire game is overdue for a good nerf overhaul, not just HA...

But yes HA is one of the areas that could use a good teargas grenade in the room to clear out the crap thats in it and start over.

agreed, its not so much that the meta is terrible, its that its horribly stale,
you can look at the party menu for just about any team and just by seeing their prof/secondary know whats on their bar, with the exception of the 1-2skills that rotate in each build i.e. orison and patient spirit for heal monks, or natural stride and trappers speed for trappers. with the exception of a small number of monks who tend to never run full meta, i cant remember the last time i saw a #7 monk that wasn't running this skillbar: rc, rof, soa, spirit bond, guardian, holy veil, aura stability and channelling. im not saying its bad, its just too predictiable and boring

props to the mod who cleaned this thread up, but could you pull the stuff by Alazare out, it contributes nothing, other than allowing him to pretend he has an e-peen, ty

Teh [prefession]-zorz · Jun 10, 2008, 04:37 PM // 16:37

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Originally Posted by Yichi

The entire game is overdue for a good nerf overhaul, not just HA...

But yes HA is one of the areas that could use a good teargas grenade in the room to clear out the crap thats in it and start over.

Agreed, all sections of the forums are begging for nerfs, adjustments and other things, and im not sure if anet is willing to do them all..

Alazare · Jun 10, 2008, 11:22 PM // 23:22

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Originally Posted by tha walkin dude

props to the mod who cleaned this thread up, but could you pull the stuff by Alazare out, it contributes nothing, other than allowing him to pretend he has an e-peen, ty

I would like to ask the mod to pull the stuff by tha walkin dude out cuz moronic nerf suggestions contribute to nothing other than allowing him to pretend that he has a brain.

Ka Tet · Jun 11, 2008, 12:17 AM // 00:17

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Originally Posted by Alazare

I would like to ask the mod to pull the stuff by tha walkin dude out cuz moronic nerf suggestions contribute to nothing other than allowing him to pretend that he has a brain.

thanks for making my point, wheres a mod when you need one

Guillaume De Sonoma · Jun 11, 2008, 02:09 AM // 02:09

I haven't seen such a horrible list of changes ever. It will do well to change the meta up, but most of your changes are just silly and over zealous in nature. I will address some of the more ludicrous things you said even though some one has already done this and you have already made yourself look like a fool.

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add the functionality to the pvp condition: "when using a weapon that is not of your primary profession you do 50% less damage, attack 50% slower and have a 50% chance to miss"

So we're starting off strong with this one. Adding a whole new game mechanic to fix one problem. If you really want to address the problem you would deal with the AoE damage, critical hit damage, and base attack of scythes.

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increase cost of nr to 25e and extend its effect to the use of traps, weapon spells and creation of spirits same for tranq

add conditions of ""if you are under the effects of an enchantment this spell fails" and "if cast on an ally this skill takes an additional 20s to r/c" to warmongers weapon

I don't even know where to begin with these. If phasing skills out of play completely is what you're going for then you are doing a fine job.

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increase pds r/c to 5 and cost to 15

If you are going to increase the recharge (a change I don't have a problem with) then leave the cost. It is designed to be spammed.

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give forked arrow and dual shot 3s activation times, add aftercast

Or alternatively you could bring a copy or two of cry, which doesn't require a spec to bring it.

While I don't like Ranger Spike 3 sec activation and after cast is just silly. If you can't deal with the spike already I would just suggest you get good, or just bring Cry, learn to shield swap, and bring some shutdown.

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reduce spirit range by half and require line of sight for effect

This is my favorite change actually. Completely removing about 20 skills from possible play (and lets no forget your other changes) and making them useless is funny to say the least.

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make spirits non-obstacles, so that one can walk through them

I herd changing game mechanics was gud? Maybe next we can walk through the opposing team as well!

This change really doesn't matter one way or another. The days when a spirit blocking you actually meant something are two and a half years gone.

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make knocked down foes non-obstacles, so that one can walk through them

Shit you were one step ahead of me. Maybe we should get a jump key next.

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remove shadowstepping from the game entirely

Going off the deep end again. Increasing recharges universally would be much better. Just take a look at shadow prison.

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add condition of attacker loses 2..1 enchants to wounding strike [the 1 being at 13 scythe]

Again you fail to fix the skill and just nerf it into oblivion. Deepwound needs to go on top of Bleeding. Its elite, why wouldn't i just take pious and get a Avatar?

Here are some wtf changes that I couldn't be bothered replying to.

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increase the cost of rush to 7adren
increase cost of migraine to 25
increase cost of power block to 20e
increase rodgorts invocation r/c to 25s
add exhaustion to migraine and frustration
increase cost of smoke trap to 25
add condition to rending touch "all your stances are disabled for 15s" also require an enchantment to be lost for it to remove an enchanment from a foe
add condition of attacker is crippled for 5s to earthshaker
increase r/c of diversion to 25s or increase cost to 15
increase cost of tainted flesh to 10 and activation to 2s

Your ability to think without isolating 1-2 skills at a time is dismal.

Ka Tet · Jun 11, 2008, 02:16 AM // 02:16

apparently you like broken things and stale meta good for you, perhaps you should offer your own suggestions

Guillaume De Sonoma · Jun 11, 2008, 03:29 AM // 03:29

I don't see how that is an argument for making stupid changes that will remove skills from competitive play forever.

Riotgear · Jun 11, 2008, 03:31 AM // 03:31

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Originally Posted by Frank Dudenstein

If anything in imbalanced on the R/D bar .. its rending touch. 8 sec recharge is too good.

Ironically Expertise is probably the most unbalanced thing on the R/D bar. The main reason Escape gets picked out is because it would severely hurt the build's viability and wouldn't hurt anything else that anybody actually cares about.

Also, a little note to everybody: If you have an issue with an argument someone else is making, then feel free to post counter-arguments. If you can't think of anything to post other than flames or useless unspecific criticism, then the Post Reply and Quote buttons may not be for you, and you should consider your browser's Back button instead. Thanks.

Edwards · Jun 11, 2008, 03:54 AM // 03:54

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Ironically Expertise is probably the most unbalanced thing on the R/D bar. The main reason Escape gets picked out is because it would severely hurt the build's viability and wouldn't hurt anything else that anybody actually cares about.

Expertise is imbalanced, and is the cause of R/Ds, R/Ws, R/As, R/Ns, etc. However, Izzy is not going to change Expertise, despite that it would undoubtably help the game. Escape is the next best thing because it at least means that you can pressure the opposing team's frontline without a rigor or stance removal.

Lame Goes Forums · Jun 11, 2008, 09:18 PM // 21:18

Expertise only affecting ranger spells would solve every problem in the entire game, including the price of ectos.

Alleji · Jun 11, 2008, 10:47 PM // 22:47

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Originally Posted by Alazare

I would like to ask the mod to pull the stuff by tha walkin dude out cuz moronic nerf suggestions contribute to nothing other than allowing him to pretend that he has a brain.

/signed

HAY GUISE GAME WIL BE BALANCED IF DIVERSION HAS 25S RECHARGE AND COSTS 500 ENERGY.

erk · Jun 11, 2008, 11:56 PM // 23:56

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Originally Posted by Lame Goes Forums

Expertise only affecting ranger spells would solve every problem in the entire game, including the price of ectos.

Expertise only effects attacks, Rituals, touch skills, and Rangers skills not other professions spells eg. the Dervish enchants, Monk heals etc. Yes it would be nice if it were restricted to Ranger skills but they would have done that years ago if they wanted to.

As for ectos, I reckon it would be neat if there was a 1% chance that the Ghostly would drop an ecto when it dies on the HA Underworld map

Ka Tet · Jun 12, 2008, 12:35 AM // 00:35

Aurelia i played with you earlier today. After watching you mes, im not sure i can take any of your comments seriously. However, i can now see why you dont understand my arguments, because you dont understand just how powerful the mesmer skills i mentioned can be when they are used by a capable mesmer.

Alazare · Jun 12, 2008, 12:52 AM // 00:52

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Originally Posted by tha walkin dude

Aurelia i played with you earlier today. After watching you mes, im not sure i can take any of your comments seriously. However, i can now see why you dont understand my arguments, because you dont understand just how powerful the mesmer skills i mentioned can be when they are used by a capable mesmer.

I just had to quote this. This is the most ridiculous thing ever lol. So they are overpowered if the mesmer has some skill and knows how to use them? Yes lets nerf them, a good mesmer should not be allowed to use skills so eficiently.

Ka Tet · Jun 12, 2008, 01:04 AM // 01:04

tired of morons proposing semantic arguments, so ill be taking a break from guru

Alleji · Jun 12, 2008, 03:07 AM // 03:07

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Originally Posted by tha walkin dude

Aurelia i played with you earlier today. After watching you mes, im not sure i can take any of your comments seriously. However, i can now see why you dont understand my arguments, because you dont understand just how powerful the mesmer skills i mentioned can be when they are used by a capable mesmer.

LOL

wait...

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lemme stop LOLing

ok...

almost done...

[Dancing Daggers][Entangling Asp][Signet of Toxic Shock][Augury of Death][Deadly Paradox][Energy Drain][Energy Tap][Res Sig] = mes?

You certainly weren't watching me mes because I wasn't playing one. Good job making a joke of yourself, you basically just said you don't even look at what other people on your team are running. That's about as much of a mes as R/D with a scythe is a ranger.

gg