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Daluz · Jun 09, 2008, 09:42 PM // 21:42

Mmm, so I usually play shock axe for everything (GvG,TA,RA,AB,etc), but it seems like every time I go to the AB maps to look for a group, most people aren't very keen in accepting a Warrior, usually get asked to ping build and most people in AB seem to think Frenzy is a bad skill, which is terrible since it's one of the best IAS in the game.

So yeah, is it just me or Warriors aren't welcome in AB much?

Risus · Jun 09, 2008, 09:50 PM // 21:50

Think about this. In AB, you are gambling your life on the fact that your team mates are good. In GvG, Frenzy is a staple IAS. In AB, Warriors are going for tankability and damage. Frenzy only helps one, but it compramises the other. Find an IAS which has no penealty like Double Damage. Warriors are welcome as long as they know what they're doing in AB. Also, AB'ers usually don't play GvG much. ALL IN ALL: Don't use Frenzy in AB, go for a bar about 4 damage boosting, 4 survivability boosting.

Gift3d · Jun 09, 2008, 09:53 PM // 21:53

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Originally Posted by Daluz

Mmm, so I usually play shock axe for everything (GvG,TA,RA,AB,etc), but it seems like every time I go to the AB maps to look for a group, most people aren't very keen in accepting a Warrior, usually get asked to ping build and most people in AB seem to think Frenzy is a bad skill, which is terrible since it's one of the best IAS in the game.

So yeah, is it just me or Warriors aren't welcome in AB much?

From this i can tell you are in a luxon alliance. Switch to kurzick, they're not so incredibly serious business about AB. For the short time i was unfortunate enough to be in a Luxon guild, everything in their AB was balanced groups with monks organized on vent. Honestly... i don't understand. It's just AB. Kids take that stuff way serious.

Turbobusa · Jun 09, 2008, 09:53 PM // 21:53

There is so many bad warriors that even with a decent build some screw up...
W/E can be a shock axe or a flare spammer...
W/A may be a shadow step user or a dagger warrior
It's easy to see why people are reluctant at inviting warriors

As for those criticizing good builds it ain't new :/
I don't find warriors being the most effective build if you're going in an unorganized pug also, but that's just me.

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From this i can tell you are in a luxon alliance. Switch to kurzick, they're not so incredibly serious business about AB. For the short time i was unfortunate enough to be in a Luxon guild, everything in their AB was balanced groups with monks organized on vent. Honestly... i don't understand. It's just AB. Kids take that stuff way serious.

AB has the potential to be even funnier and interesting with organized groups (and vent from time to time). Also, we can apply what you said to whichever form of pvp you want. AB having a bad reputation doesn't mean you should suck because a lot of people do there.
Yes, luxon.

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ALL IN ALL: Don't use Frenzy in AB, go for a bar about 4 damage boosting, 4 survivability boosting.

If you're decent 1 self heal skill is enough, frenzy/cancel included. Note that I suck at warrior, so it really shouldn't be that hard.

[DE] · Jun 09, 2008, 09:53 PM // 21:53

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Originally Posted by Risus

. ALL IN ALL: Don't use Frenzy in AB, go for a bar about 4 damage boosting, 4 survivability boosting.

The hell? Bring Frenzy. USE Frenzy. Do big DOMOGE. Just don't be an idiot rushing into an ele shrine with frenzy up and no PS on you.

Daluz · Jun 09, 2008, 10:02 PM // 22:02

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Think about this. In AB, you are gambling your life on the fact that your team mates are good. In GvG, Frenzy is a staple IAS. In AB, Warriors are going for tankability and damage. Frenzy only helps one, but it compramises the other. Find an IAS which has no penealty like Double Damage. Warriors are welcome as long as they know what they're doing in AB. Also, AB'ers usually don't play GvG much. ALL IN ALL: Don't use Frenzy in AB, go for a bar about 4 damage boosting, 4 survivability boosting.

I only use Frenzy when I'm not being attacked in AB. I hate survivability skills on a Warrior, the most I'll take is Shield Bash on the rez signet spot and even then that is starting to get replaced with Wild Blow due to all the Mo/W and R/D running around, I understand what you saying is that most AB PuGs don't trust each other.

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Originally Posted by Gift3d

From this i can tell you are in a luxon alliance. Switch to kurzick, they're not so incredibly serious business about AB. For the short time i was unfortunate enough to be in a Luxon guild, everything in their AB was balanced groups with monks organized on vent. Honestly... i don't understand. It's just AB. Kids take that stuff way serious.

No actually I'm in Kurzick side, but I do know what you mean, tbh, it's normal, because Kurzick HFFF is so much more popular, Luxons had to find other ways to farm faction aswel as Kurzicks, organizing groups and trying to give their best is a option, I don't mind well organized groups, in fact, I always make a point of taking a monk, me and monks have a love and hate relationship, I love protecting them but I also love killing them.

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There is so many bad warriors that even with a decent build some screw up...
W/E can be a shock axe or a flare spammer...
W/A may be a shadow step user or a dagger warrior
It's easy to see why people are reluctant at inviting warriors

As for those criticizing good builds it ain't new :/
I don't find warriors being the most effective build if you're going in an unorganized pug also, but that's just me.

No offense but there are terribad players of every profession.

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The hell? Bring Frenzy. USE Frenzy. Do big DOMOGE. Just don't be an idiot rushing into an ele shrine with frenzy up and no PS on you.

This + heal sig causes some hilarious screenshots and local chat hate.

Bobby2 · Jun 09, 2008, 10:02 PM // 22:02

Warriors thrive when properly supported - this is AB. Also, the War has to be decent in the first place - not too common.

With loads of running to do one often finds himself having to build adren from scratch = tedious. [skill]lion's comfort[/skill] ftw: it is imo THE AB War skill (thx2moriz4dat).

People saying Frenzy is bad are noobs. Just ragequit the group.

la_cabra_de_vida · Jun 09, 2008, 10:04 PM // 22:04

99.9% of AB'ers are terrible. Bad players like sins and wammos because they cant play anything else. End of story.

Turbobusa · Jun 09, 2008, 10:05 PM // 22:05

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Originally Posted by Daluz

No offense but there are terribad players of every profession.

Of course there is, those were just exemple. But we're talking warriors there

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99.9% of AB'ers are terrible.

99.99(..)% of guru thinks 99.99(..)% of everything sucks.
According to that thread, everything and everyone sucks.
That being said I think the worthless comments can end.

Daluz · Jun 09, 2008, 10:11 PM // 22:11

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Originally Posted by Turbobusa

Of course there is, those were just exemple. But we're talking warriors there

Yes lol, but that shouldn't be a reason not to take a Warrior or any other profession . Heck, if it was up to me ,I'd take a monk, a signet /strenght of honor mesmer, and a conjure derv or a elementalist

Edit: AB players aren't all terrible, AB isn't what it used to be 2 years ago, with the release of Eye of the North and Heroes, you often find a lot more PvP'ers then PvE'ers in AB these days, not saying it's a good or a bad thing, but you shouldn't flame a whole player base on it's format, because tbqfh, I'll say that 99.99% of HA and RA players are terrible.

Shuuda · Jun 09, 2008, 10:13 PM // 22:13

Well, two reasons:

1) Warriors are very well known for having famously bad builds (mending) and tankers are common in AB, and most people know tanks don't work in AB, so they tend to be suspicious of warriors.

2) Most people prefer Assassins, since they are far easier to play, and many people think they are better in general (lolz).

[DE] · Jun 09, 2008, 10:15 PM // 22:15

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Originally Posted by Daluz

This + heal sig causes some hilarious screenshots and local chat hate.

I didn't know that people still specc'd into Tactics. Lion's Comfort is usually enough to keep you going and it's nice being able to use that during a middle of a cap to refresh your adren. And if you happen to be playing with a monk friend you could even drop a self-heal and bring a better utility.

Cosmic Error · Jun 09, 2008, 10:25 PM // 22:25

Many of the AB warriors I've come across are the type that continue to auto-attack even after I've cast [reckless haste],[spiteful spirit], and [Price of Failure] on them... That said, I've PUGed with warriors that are perfectly capable of solo capping, and can take down any lone assassins that shadowstep in. (Not hard, but still...)

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Originally Posted by Turbobusa

99.99(..)% of guru thinks 99.99(..)% of everything sucks.

So true. People around here need to be a bit more tolerant.

Daluz · Jun 09, 2008, 10:31 PM // 22:31

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Originally Posted by Shuuda

2) Most people prefer Assassins, since they are far easier to play, and many people think they are better in general (lolz).

See, my opinion is that with the current meta, assassins suck in general, just takes 1 block in their chain to screw them up, and as I mentioned above, with all the Mo/W, R/D, etc running around...

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Originally Posted by [DE]

I didn't know that people still specc'd into Tactics. Lion's Comfort is usually enough to keep you going and it's nice being able to use that during a middle of a cap to refresh your adren. And if you happen to be playing with a monk friend you could even drop a self-heal and bring a better utility.

I was being sarcastic. I love dchopping lions comfort thou.

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Many of the AB warriors I've come across are the type that continue to auto-attack even after I've cast [Insidious Parasite],[reckless haste],[spiteful spirit], and [Price of Failure] on them... That said, I've PUGed with warriors that are perfectly capable of solo capping, and can take down any lone assassins that shadowstep in. (Not hard, but still...)

The same I can say for Eles or Mesmers that think they can handle a Shock+Evisc+Exe and just stand there spamming their flares or conjure phantasm (lulz)

RavagerOfDreams · Jun 09, 2008, 10:40 PM // 22:40

whenever i AB nothing gives me greater pleasure then spiking a war on frenzy

but to be on topic i would suggest only brining frenzy if your fast on your cancel stance as there are plenty of idiots in AB who will hit you even if they don't see you on frenzy. People in AB like to kill as much shit as possible so you have just as much chance of getting nailed as a monk does....actually you probably have a better chance

maybe run a hammer build? good fun i here

Tyla · Jun 09, 2008, 10:40 PM // 22:40

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Originally Posted by Shuuda

Well, two reasons:

1) Warriors are very well known for having famously bad builds (mending) and tankers are common in AB, and most people know tanks don't work in AB, so they tend to be suspicious of warriors.

Tanking does work in AB! PSpirit and SoA does the job, because people are stupid!

Anyway, people are stupid. Frenzy is undoubtably the strongest IAS in the game, and the majority of AB'ers are bad.

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Originally Posted by Risus

ALL IN ALL: Don't use Frenzy in AB, go for a bar about 4 damage boosting, 4 survivability boosting.

I lol'd.

Daluz · Jun 09, 2008, 10:50 PM // 22:50

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Originally Posted by RavagerOfDreams

whenever i AB nothing gives me greater pleasure then spiking a war on frenzy

but to be on topic i would suggest only brining frenzy if your fast on your cancel stance as there are plenty of idiots in AB who will hit you even if they don't see you on frenzy. People in AB like to kill as much shit as possible so you have just as much chance of getting nailed as a monk does....actually you probably have a better chance

maybe run a hammer build? good fun i here

Hammer needs frenzy even more then axe, but that's not the problem. With hammer you also lose a shield, which with a -2 physical damage while in stance is pretty decent for capping Ranger and Warrior shrine. Also Axe builds adrenaline faster hences more spikes, hammer isn't great in AB, might be fun, but it's not efficient, plus I love shock axe with a passion

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Well, I just hope that people start giving Warriors a chance

, I personally don't feel offended because I know the way people think but for new players, specially those wammos , give them a chance, you might be surprised, Warriors are a very good class to have in AB, they have 100al (116 with shield) vs physical, great mobility, probably the highest pressure DPS in the game plus you can always count on them to take a beating for you

Mortis · Jun 09, 2008, 10:51 PM // 22:51

Guild team. Run frenzy, bring monk. If not able to do this, don't play ab.

Mr Emu · Jun 09, 2008, 10:59 PM // 22:59

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Originally Posted by Daluz

See, my opinion is that with the current meta, assassins suck in general, just takes 1 block in their chain to screw them up, and as I mentioned above, with all the Mo/W, R/D, etc running around...

tbh, the current critscythe and shattering meta sins are far less fragile than most sin builds and the BB sin isn't really any worse than any given SP sin

Robbert Monga · Jun 09, 2008, 11:01 PM // 23:01

Frenzy is indeed pretty bad in AB... and not because frenzy is a bad skill, but because alot of people in AB just do C+Space, so you almost guaranteed to get some stupid sin on you or something pretty much constantly while being within direct proximity of enemy. As a monk I would hate you...

Warriors are no different than anywhere else. Its just there is too many of them, and so there are too many bad ones. Various riposte tank and elementalist wannabes make baby jebus cry.
Also two warriors in 4 man group = major overkill... same as two eles or two monk. It is just more obvious with melee.

If you not one like that - well, good for you, but getting offended by request to ping bar is silly. I request everyone to ping bars when I make group. No ping = kthxbye. I'm not even going to waste time asking twice.
Why? I take Dilbert's approach to this - if you afraid to show me your bar, then I know for fact it is either bad or something not what i was advertising for.

Somebody is surely gonna say "hey this is just AB, you taking it too serious". Yeah, it is "just" AB if you are OK with winning only 50% of the time. I am not.