Curse

Evilreintje · Jul 11, 2008, 01:09 PM // 13:09

well I've been active for HA mostly these days (although hard to find a group, even if you have a long pvp history but not that much HA history) and I stumbled on the lifesteal spike, but I find it rather weird that they use Ritualist/Ranger instead of Ranger/Ritualist.
They said at counters that NOTHING can counter it (except interupts ofc) but ritualist fail cause of weak armor.
Channeling 12+3+1 for a nightmare weapon of 53.
Channeling 12 = Nightmare 42
With 16 channeling the whole spike does a total of +/- 1000 dmg which ofcourse will always kill no matter what. (with para)
But is the weak armor and no expertise really worth the Ritualist primary?
The spike does +/- 700 to 800 with 12 channeling. (also with para ofc)
Isn't it better to take Ranger primary and benefit from Expertise?

Infectious · Jul 11, 2008, 02:42 PM // 14:42

Im pretty sure I shot down a piss weak attempt at this build a month or 2 ago.http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10293750
I also hurd dodging, blocking, blind, and positioning + out pressuring wuz gud.

Aera · Jul 11, 2008, 03:03 PM // 15:03

Expertise only helps with [dual shot] and [distracting shot], not with the spells. You should be running [offering of spirit] so you don't need the expertise to begin with. And primary rit gets you a stronger spike.

Evilreintje · Jul 11, 2008, 03:28 PM // 15:28

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Originally Posted by Infectious

Im pretty sure I shot down a piss weak attempt at this build a month or 2 ago.http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10293750
I also hurd dodging, blocking, blind, and positioning + out pressuring wuz gud.

yeah it's with offering of spirit and sight beyond sight, can't block (life steal and seeking arrows) can't dodge cause of FW
maybe good if run by high ranked only though =/ (but hey, what isn't these days >_>) <== except sway ofc zzz

Bloodseeker · Jul 11, 2008, 04:49 PM // 16:49

It doesn't have sight beyond sight.

Killed u man · Jul 11, 2008, 06:22 PM // 18:22

It's NOT a 1000 life stealing spike.

That would be rspike, that does a 1000 damage spike ever 5 seconds...

It's a 730 ish life stealing spike + DW, so that makes 830 damage.

This build is ALOT harder to pull then Rspike tough. You can ONLY spike every 10 seconds, don't have any imba block stances or armor and you don't have Vital Weapon.
You also don't have energy to fit Savage shot on the bar, so you also don't have too many imba interrupts. (You really need Dshot followup to kill most of the time)

This build does go best with 2 rigors. As the spike is full life-stealing, the only thing that can stop it, is blocks. (And offcourse dodge/obstr/interrupt)
2 Rigors gives U one on every spike.

If you wanna try it, this is my, first, and by far (from what I played, I toyed around a bit) the best build utility wise:

[build prof=Assassin/Necromancer Deadly=12+1+1 Crit=12+2 Curses=3][Rigor Mortis][Augury of Death][Shadow Prison][Disrupting Dagger][Siphon Speed][Crippling Dagger][Deadly Haste][Resurrection Signet][/build]
[build prof=Necromancer/Elementalist Blood=12+1+3 Earth=12 Soul=3+1][Vampiric Gaze][Order of the Vampire][Well of Blood][Grasping Earth][Ward Against Foes][Ward Against Elements][Ward Against Melee][Resurrection Signet][/build]
[build prof=Necromancer/Paragon Blood=11+1+1 Command=12 Soul=6+1 Curses=2][Rigor Mortis][Blood is Power][Foul Feast]["Make Haste!"]["Brace Yourself!"]["Fall Back!"][Song of Concentration][Resurrection Signet][/build]
[build prof=Ritualist/Ranger Channeling=12+1+3 Rest=12+1 Spawn=3][Dual Shot][Distracting Shot][Nightmare Weapon][Offering of Spirit][Spirit Light][Weapon of Warding][Bloodsong][Flesh of My Flesh][/build]
[build prof=Ritualist/Ranger Channeling=12+1+3 Rest=12+1 Spawn=3][Dual Shot][Distracting Shot][Nightmare Weapon][Offering of Spirit][Spirit Light][Mend Body and Soul][Life][Protective Was Kaolai][/build]
[build prof=Ritualist/Ranger Channeling=12+1+3 Rest=12+1 Spawn=3][Dual Shot][Distracting Shot][Nightmare Weapon][Offering of Spirit][Spirit Light][Mend Body and Soul][Recuperation][Protective Was Kaolai][/build]
[build prof=Monk/Mesmer Prot=12+1+1 Divine=11+1 Inspi=6][Spell Breaker][Reversal of Fortune][Shield of Absorption][Spirit Bond][Guardian][Holy Veil][Deny Hexes][Channeling][/build]
[build prof=Monk/Mesmer Heal=12+1+1 Divine=11+1 Inspi=6][Patient Spirit][Dwayna's Kiss][Heal Party][Infuse Health][Healing Seed][Holy Veil][Healer's Boon][Channeling][/build]

Use regular sets on all characters: 40/40's, Shields, High sets.
The Rt/R only need 1 bow: Recurve Bow, Vampiric 5/-1, Energy +5, HP +30.
No other bow is needed, as Recurve has the shortest flight time + lowest curve, making it the hardest bow, near impossible, to dodge.

From all the spikes I did with this build, and that's ALOT, I've never had my arrows been dodged.

Also, Longbow CAN be used for Zaishen, but you won't get 10% Moral with this build. (Once again, from all the runs I did, only got under 35seconds once, and that was without killing the front zaishen) other than that, you won't really use it that often...

shoogi · Jul 12, 2008, 06:54 PM // 18:54

1. sight beyond sight is a waste of a skill slot, blinding got nerfed outta the meta and even before that nobody used blind in HA.

2. primary rit allows u to spec in restoration, which makes the difference.

Infectious · Jul 13, 2008, 12:04 AM // 00:04

Okay FW isn't godmode.
You can kill it, now look how easy it is to dodge the arrows.
This build is still shit, even run by the best players, its still going to take a shitload of luck to pull it off.
If your trying to mod the current ranger spike, its fail.
If your trying to make a new spike, its fail.

Warriorsrmint · Jul 13, 2008, 12:49 PM // 12:49

Couldn't you just give a bit of constructive criticism instead of biting their head off?

Eddie Frenzy Spam · Jul 13, 2008, 01:15 PM // 13:15

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Originally Posted by Infectious

Okay FW isn't godmode.
You can kill it, now look how easy it is to dodge the arrows.
This build is still shit, even run by the best players, its still going to take a shitload of luck to pull it off.
If your trying to mod the current ranger spike, its fail.
If your trying to make a new spike, its fail.

Really, if you have no idea what you're talking about, you shouldn't be posting on things like this.

This is not a modded rspike, this is not a new spike. Nightmare spike has been around for ages, it has been tried and proven to work already. With good players, that know what to spike and when to spike, and with good healers the build is quite easy to win with, but yes, you DO need good players, you can't run this shit with PuGs.

I mean the fact that you don't even recognise the build already just shows how little you know about what you're talking about.

Infectious · Jul 14, 2008, 10:01 AM // 10:01

The fact that its a slow spike compared to R spike, doing alot less damage, to the point were if anyone is blind or off it will be caught with minimal healing
1 sub par monk bar with an almost redundant N/P bar
I have never been a fan of using rigor on a spike so putting my 2 cents in on have 2 copys of it would be useless
Well of blood, ward vs melee aren't skills that are needed in HA unless you plan on using them specifically for the alter?
I'm not saying the build won't work
What I'm saying is, anyone who chooses to run this build must like making everything as hard as humanly possible on themselves

Div · Jul 14, 2008, 10:11 AM // 10:11

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Originally Posted by Infectious

What I'm saying is, anyone who chooses to run this build must like making everything as hard as humanly possible on themselves

I think a lot of people are just sick of farming thousands after thousands of fame with the same build. Some variety (even if it's a change for the worse) will help keep their sanity.

Free Sigils · Jul 14, 2008, 01:57 PM // 13:57

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Originally Posted by Infectious

Well of blood, ward vs melee aren't skills that are needed in HA unless you plan on using them specifically for the alter?

Whats wrong with that? The idea is to hold isnt it?

Chaos Rofl Copter · Jul 15, 2008, 06:15 PM // 18:15

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Originally Posted by Evilreintje

I stumbled on the lifesteal spike, but I find it rather weird that they use Ritualist/Ranger instead of Ranger/Ritualist.

You use rit's for 2 reasons, they do more life steal and have capability to heal.

Infectious · Jul 15, 2008, 09:21 PM // 21:21

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Originally Posted by holymasamune

I think a lot of people are just sick of farming thousands after thousands of fame with the same build. Some variety (even if it's a change for the worse) will help keep their sanity.

I agree with this part, but why go to such a shit build. I'd assume anyone who actually learnt anything farming fame with any build would be able to compose a build on the spot thats better than this.

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Originally Posted by Free Sigils

Whats wrong with that? The idea is to hold isnt it?

Yes, but you also holding no longer means only needing to hold the alter, and you still have to get there and then win.

Tito Bad Boy Ortiz · Jul 18, 2008, 06:59 PM // 18:59

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Originally Posted by eddie the reaper

Really, if you have no idea what you're talking about, you shouldn't be posting on things like this.

This is not a modded rspike, this is not a new spike. Nightmare spike has been around for ages, it has been tried and proven to work already. With good players, that know what to spike and when to spike, and with good healers the build is quite easy to win with, but yes, you DO need good players, you can't run this shit with PuGs.

I mean the fact that you don't even recognise the build already just shows how little you know about what you're talking about.

This guy knows exactly what hes talking about.

Chaos Rofl Copter · Jul 18, 2008, 07:03 PM // 19:03

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Originally Posted by Tito Bad Boy Ortiz

This guy knows exactly what hes talking about.

This guy is a pro nightmare spiker, Lol.