Curse

Ec]-[oMaN · Jul 24, 2008, 08:51 PM // 20:51

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Originally Posted by Bugsy

You don't have to nerf Escape to oblivion, just change to make it less attractive to R/D. Something like: For each Bow Attack or Trap skill equipped, you move 15% faster (max 33%) and have a 25% chance to block (max 75%).

Making Wild Blow disable non-attack skills for 5-10 seconds instead of the adrenaline loss is a good suggestion. So either you pre-Frenzy and can't cancel, or you can't Frenzy/Shock, etc. It promotes skillful play.

The OP suggestion for Disciplined Stance is still flawed: "(1...7...9 seconds.) You have 50% chance to block and attack 25% faster. Ends if you use an adrenal skill." A large part of IAS is to unload adren in a pressure-spike. Change "Ends if you use an adrenal skill." to "Skills you use cost 100%...50% more energy." That way there's still the block benefit for the off-classes, but they'll have to be more careful about how they use it.

You bring up some interesting things reguarding the Escape and DS, but for wild blow to be usefull to a warrior your suggestion still wouldn't make me bring it on my bar. Not being able to unload with warrior skills under an ias simply stinks, unless it's a hammer build where knockdown is powerfull even under no ias for an opener.

Snow Bunny · Jul 24, 2008, 09:14 PM // 21:14

What's wrong with making Wild Blow a 6A skill like Dchop. No special conditions, just a straight out attack? If you like, you could put a recharge on it, but w/e

Robbert Monga · Jul 25, 2008, 12:29 AM // 00:29

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Originally Posted by Free Sigils

the problem with the R/D's was never [Escape] sure its mean, but not the worst part. Expertise allowing them to spam their Scythe attacks and [Rending Touch] having a retartedly low recharge were the problems. the stances were irritating but not the reason that they were nasty.

I disagree. Sure expertise allows ranger to spam stuff, but that alone wont keep you alive in melee. Permablocking along with other boosts and no downsides is the problem. Take that away, and spammers can continue do what they like so much, except they will no longer be in immune to melee mode.
They want to keep ranger survivable? Fine, but that should not mean rangers can just fire off a stance and continue attacking like nothing happening.

Bobby2 · Jul 25, 2008, 12:48 AM // 00:48

Ranger Stances: ...end when the user strikes a foe in melee or uses a touch-ranged skill

WHOA

Free Sigils · Jul 25, 2008, 02:06 PM // 14:06

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Originally Posted by Robbert Monga

I disagree. Sure expertise allows ranger to spam stuff, but that alone wont keep you alive in melee. Permablocking along with other boosts and no downsides is the problem. Take that away, and spammers can continue do what they like so much, except they will no longer be in immune to melee mode.
They want to keep ranger survivable? Fine, but that should not mean rangers can just fire off a stance and continue attacking like nothing happening.

Staying alive isn't what makes the R/DS powerful. Damage pressures teams, rending channeling/prots constantly pressures teams. Their stances have a down time. It just means being smart about when engaging them with melee damage.

the_deSKtructor · Jul 25, 2008, 02:39 PM // 14:39

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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

What's wrong with making Wild Blow a 6A skill like Dchop. No special conditions, just a straight out attack? If you like, you could put a recharge on it, but w/e

The problem is that it will still remove all your adrenaline, which, considering the use of the skill, would make it useless (on a warrior).

Snow Bunny · Jul 25, 2008, 04:10 PM // 16:10

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Originally Posted by the_deSKtructor

The problem is that it will still remove all your adrenaline, which, considering the use of the skill, would make it useless (on a warrior).

"Without special conditions" - as in, 6A, remove stance, that's it.

Ec]-[oMaN · Jul 25, 2008, 04:57 PM // 16:57

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Originally Posted by Free Sigils

Staying alive isn't what makes the R/DS powerful. Damage pressures teams, rending channeling/prots constantly pressures teams. Their stances have a down time. It just means being smart about when engaging them with melee damage.

The block aspect to escape true doesn't really make them what they are but, having that 33% speedboost, while being able to be enchanted or hexed along with the block does though. I wouldn't be too afraid of a R/D if they can't even catch up to you, especially in the smaller formats where they are a bigger problem. Almost every other speed boost skill in GW that was 33%faster has been nerfed, what makes the ranger ones special?

Puddin Cheeks · Aug 13, 2008, 01:21 PM // 13:21

^^^^ WTF, mate?

Yobs · Aug 14, 2008, 04:56 AM // 04:56

"without special conditions" on Wild Blow would mean no unblockable. Probably removes alot of its utility. I like the disables non-attack skills. Or could go removes 2-3 adrenaline so you couldn't easily use it in an adrenaline chain without an increased adrenaline buff etc...and perhaps up its recharge a bit. Still viable as a prespike to rid a pesky stance but gives the player time to react or call for prot etc...

Yobs

phoenixtech · Aug 14, 2008, 06:04 AM // 06:04

Wild blow, 6A, removes stance from target. (Take out crit hit and lose all adren)

zeal101 · Aug 14, 2008, 08:26 AM // 08:26

move to Strength attribute. Wild Blow melee attack cost 7 adren "if it hits results in critical hit and removes any stance from target. This attack can't be blocked " 50% chance of failure with 4 or less points in Strength (FOR WARRIORS ONLY).

Now its usefull for hammer,axe and sword wielders. The adrenaline cost it at a "sweet" point as well.

Shendaar · Aug 14, 2008, 03:41 PM // 15:41

The problem with Wild Blow being an Adrenaline skill is that you need to build up adrenaline to remove a stance that is likely preventing you from building it up in the first place. Now obviously you can just build up on somebody else and then switch back, but that kind of defeat the purpose of having a stance remover in the first place.

I would just remove the lose all adrenaline clause and increase the recharge a little bit.