Curse

I Gut you Gut · Aug 03, 2008, 03:03 AM // 03:03

OMG, 90% of everyone is using the same build! It's a shame that aNet didn't give us skills to ruin specialized forces

Play balance, get over it.

Narcin · Aug 03, 2008, 03:09 AM // 03:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tragedy_Strikes

What you're saying is roll with the flow yes? You're losing to RSpike, pack a DA, DA is being interrupted? Play around it. So then why can't, by your logic, RSpike play around your tactics? With 3 DShots in the build, you can DShot, Song, Guardian, and DA, no? Don't forget about the Savages, too. Even if you do manage to get a DA off, it won't last forever, and RSpike has the defensive capabilities to wait it out. DA is not a viable solution.

Thats where you're wrong a team has to see all of that. If a team can get ALL that, then they deserve to win they have skill which is why ranger spike holds. It's not very often you see a ranger spike hold.

Tragedy_Strikes · Aug 03, 2008, 03:51 AM // 03:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Narcin

Thats where you're wrong a team has to see all of that. If a team can get ALL that, then they deserve to win they have skill which is why ranger spike holds. It's not very often you see a ranger spike hold.

You think it's hard to get a DA, Guardian, and Song interrupted? If the team has one Para, you can tell who has the Song and the DA, and most teams only run one Prot...Pretty easy to spot. Yeah, you need to know your role, but you don't have to be exceptionally good to keep key skills out of play.

danilovic · Aug 03, 2008, 04:19 AM // 04:19

If I was responsible of getting DA up vs rspike, then I would simply watch a ranger and cast while they were spiking. Of course someone could quit the spike to interrupt me, but that's unlikely.

Teh [prefession]-zorz · Aug 03, 2008, 04:58 AM // 04:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by danilovic

If I was responsible of getting DA up vs rspike, then I would simply watch a ranger and cast while they were spiking. Of course someone could quit the spike to interrupt me, but that's unlikely.

and if its on you?

Tragedy_Strikes · Aug 03, 2008, 05:34 AM // 05:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by danilovic

If I was responsible of getting DA up vs rspike, then I would simply watch a ranger and cast while they were spiking. Of course someone could quit the spike to interrupt me, but that's unlikely.

Fair enough, one person dies every time you need to drop a DA, meanwhile RSpike is busy being the HA fortress because you have to pack DAs to protect yourself. RSpike has the resources to just sit back and drop a target everytime you need to DA. Plus, it'd take 3 DAs just to keep it up indefinitely now I think.

FireFox · Aug 03, 2008, 06:23 AM // 06:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tragedy_Strikes

Fair enough, one person dies every time you need to drop a DA, meanwhile RSpike is busy being the HA fortress because you have to pack DAs to protect yourself. RSpike has the resources to just sit back and drop a target everytime you need to DA. Plus, it'd take 3 DAs just to keep it up indefinitely now I think.

afaik it gets chained with shields up

Dronte · Aug 03, 2008, 08:00 AM // 08:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheHaxor

If you can beat something, then it isn't overpowered right? Let's ignore the fact that lower ranked players running heroway are more successful than lower ranked players running anything else. Let's also ignore the fact that the build is very easy to set up and play. Obviously, these aren't flaws.

As for rspike, rangers should not be able to do burst damage like that. For spiking in general, you should not be able to take mostly one class in a build and be that successful with it. I know game balancers agree with me on these subjects because all I have to do is check previous updates to look at all the similar spikes they have nerfed (including rspike many times before). I just don't understand why they do this then add shit like [[sloth hunter's shot] to the game. Most of the damage from using the skill is armor ignoring. That is just retarded.

You got the point, its very easy to play. But it doesnt mean its overpowered. If they meet a balanced team which is lets say r3+, they most likely beat it because balanced is a lot harder to run, and those r3+ guys probably do not have experience running balanced. Also, balanced requires brain, not only experience & skill, thats why noone runs it at lower ranks because it will most likely fail against hway for example.

To sum up, you have the chance to hway your rank to 6 or higher, and then you will most likely get a decent team. Unless they kick you because you dont know shit about the maps after the first 3 annihilation, lol. Heh I've gone a bit offtopic.

TheHaxor · Aug 03, 2008, 12:22 PM // 12:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dronte

You got the point, its very easy to play. But it doesnt mean its overpowered. If they meet a balanced team which is lets say r3+, they most likely beat it because balanced is a lot harder to run, and those r3+ guys probably do not have experience running balanced. Also, balanced requires brain, not only experience & skill, thats why noone runs it at lower ranks because it will most likely fail against hway for example.

Every part of that build is overpowered. The heroes have been nerfed before both by decreasing the amount you can take and by making them less effective at using skills. RaO has been nerfed before. Soul Reaping has been nerfed before. Taking all that into account, why the hell does the build still output that much damage 8v8?

The build farms more than just r3 players. It can beat anyone on a 1v1 map if it gets a lucky knock, daze, etc. If you make one mistake against it defensively, then your team usually wipes or at least takes a bunch of pressure. Balanced in HA isn't harder to play than a generic spike build. All people do with balanced is spike for kills anyway, so basically it ends up being one guy microing seven other players around the map. The only difference between a lower ranked balanced and a higher ranked balanced is a better caller and more experience. This is true for any high ranked spike build, so I don't see how that makes any difference in this discussion. The fact of the matter is that all the low ranked players have to resort to this bullshit to win because they can't beat it with anything else. Why? Because it is overpowered.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dronte

To sum up, you have the chance to hway your rank to 6 or higher, and then you will most likely get a decent team. Unless they kick you because you dont know shit about the maps after the first 3 annihilation, lol. Heh I've gone a bit offtopic.

rofl, you don't get decent teams at rank 6. PuGs are a joke. They get farmed by sway and heroway because it's a bunch of kids who played sway and heroway. The decent players go with friends or guild teams.

Dronte · Aug 03, 2008, 12:27 PM // 12:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheHaxor

rofl, you don't get decent teams at rank 6. PuGs are a joke. They get farmed by sway and heroway because it's a bunch of kids who played sway and heroway. The decent players go with friends or guild teams.

Well yea, thats true. Luckily I got into my HA guild when I was r4, so I dont have to pug since then. I keep trying almost every day though, but meh, just doesnt worth the time. Guildteam ftw

clarke · Aug 03, 2008, 02:14 PM // 14:14

Rangers dont need to be nerfed, you seriously cant be that bad to lose always vs rspike, if you think you know what your going to come up against then prepare for it, shields up , piercing shields , anti melee , even incoming if your that desperate O.o

Narcin · Aug 03, 2008, 03:30 PM // 15:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tragedy_Strikes

You think it's hard to get a DA, Guardian, and Song interrupted? If the team has one Para, you can tell who has the Song and the DA, and most teams only run one Prot...Pretty easy to spot. Yeah, you need to know your role, but you don't have to be exceptionally good to keep key skills out of play.

I might not have mentioned this before but you might have noticed a lot more water snares recently blurred drops a spiker from the picture, its not complicated. Also, your saying that EVERY ranger spike has the ability to d-shot ALL your vital skills? That doesn't happen. You may come up against one or two but those are the one or two that run ranger spike during the meta change because they are good. All the others will just follow the meta change because they dont have the ability that a GOOD ranger spike team does. I'm gunna give you an example. Remember the epic holds of Team Voyager? No one ran ranger spike but them back then and it was when legoway was big.

*Edit* Dont forget the amount of walls available on almost every map.

TimeToGetIntense · Aug 03, 2008, 04:07 PM // 16:07

i didnt read the thread but

GO BEHIND WALLS

thread over

Dronte · Aug 03, 2008, 04:53 PM // 16:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by TimeToGetIntense

i didnt read the thread but

GO BEHIND WALLS

thread over

You should read the thread first. Gl finding walls in HoH etc.

B Ephekt · Aug 03, 2008, 05:16 PM // 17:16

piercing shields
Shields Up
using terrain
CoF
Monks that don't suck
shut down on the weapon rit

I'm sorry, but if you're losing to rspike regularly then you're bad.

Dronte · Aug 03, 2008, 05:32 PM // 17:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by B Ephekt

piercing shields
Shields Up
using terrain
CoF
Monks that don't suck
shut down on the weapon rit

I'm sorry, but if you're losing to rspike regularly then you're bad.

QFT in bold, piercing shield + shields up ->cracked armor, cry is too slow recharge.

Ciric · Aug 03, 2008, 07:42 PM // 19:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tragedy_Strikes

You think it's hard to get a DA, Guardian, and Song interrupted? If the team has one Para, you can tell who has the Song and the DA, and most teams only run one Prot...Pretty easy to spot. Yeah, you need to know your role, but you don't have to be exceptionally good to keep key skills out of play.

Pretty sure by halls standard landing you d-shot is exceptionally good. Not to mention the fact that you are missing so much that can totally ruin you spikes.

Lets start with DA, not every, but alot of balanced teams run a DA chain, this is countered in r-spike with rigor and /or d-shotting DA. There are two easy ways "good" teams with DA will RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO you. 1. They will song before DA meaning what took 1 ranger to keep down now takes 2 in order to interrupt song, this forced you to use rigor witch either A: gives away the spike or B; means a spiker is not spiking. The other way is good teams will put up DA about 5 seconds after your last spike, why, because it forces 1 ranger to be off spike or the DA to go up, pretty simple. SO basically DA is going to be up 50% of the time, and require 2 of your d-shots to take down.

Most balanced teams also run a water ele or some form of "miss" hexer. These hexes are harder to catch due to 40/40 sets (or even a FC Water ele) so your only hope is your hex removal, and seeing as veil has the same recharge as blurred monks can not keep up with blurred spam assuming you have some otehr form of hexes aka Dom mesmer (in case you didn't know most balanced teams run one..) Other hexes like SAS hexes also can throw a spike off like hell.

Again, most balanced teams run a dom mesmer. Now depending on your dom mesmer it will probably have PD, or Cry, both work in different ways, but can totaly kill a spike (diversion 1 ranger, PD/Cry the others). You may not think this is a counter, but against r-spike all you need to do is stop a few spikes, and keep channeling riped off their monks and its RIP over so all of you disruption can go onto rangers.

Weapon of Warding has found a cozy home in HA, and rightfully so because warding prevents who r-spike can spike. Put this on your mesmer and hboon and you can roll over a good r-spike. Warding is interpretable, however if DA is up or a guardian is called then chances are your last d-shot (remember 2 are being used for the DA chain only to get it 50% at most vr a good team) will miss.

Lastly, KD's are teh anti everything, and as such, they totally RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO r-spike. If all of your defence has been taken down.. because you are bad.. then never fear you can throw a hammer war, or simply a gale, on a spiker durring spike.

Combine all this with proper shield swaps and its GG.

And imagine that.. the build i just read off was entirely balanced, and not speced for r-spike.. holly hell.

1. Hammer War
2. DA Para
3. DA Para
4. SH ele with warding
5. FC Water Ele
6. PD Mesmer
7. RC Monk
8. HB Monk

How is that not balanced? and how is it in anyway speced so hard for r-spike it is not worth running?

I hate when people don't think before they speak.

Tragedy_Strikes · Aug 03, 2008, 08:17 PM // 20:17

Quote: