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shoogi · Jul 27, 2008, 08:16 PM // 20:16

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Originally Posted by wuzzman

if you actually ran balanced........

Have you set yourself a goal to troll this thread?

Ec]-[oMaN · Jul 27, 2008, 08:57 PM // 20:57

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Originally Posted by FrAnt1c²

Ehm I said that as a reply to the guy that gave 5 block skills as an example to counter rspike, but as rigor mortis and anthem of guidance is used in the most frequent form of rspike, his suggestions sucked...

if people are using a dot hex, doesn't it make the spike easier to catch wow? same thing for spirit rift spike, oh shit see a hex guess they spiking him....

Bacon Was A Monk · Jul 28, 2008, 04:33 AM // 04:33

Stop the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing bitching about rspike. Seriously. It's been nerfed in the past, it's fine now. Here's a simple guide to beating rspike, just pick and choose:
1. Keep constant pressure.
2. Shutdown their condition removal and blind the rangers.
3. Interupt the spike.
4. Shutdown the rangers buffs (ritualist and paragon).
5. Get a decent prot and infuse who knows what the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO to do, aka watching for hexes and strips.

Stop bitching about 3 monk backlines (I saw someone do it a few pages back). They've been in HA since rifts gave moral. There's nothing wrong with 3 monk backlines. Let's stop and think before we kiss izzy's (or whoever handles nerfs) ass for not allowing over 2 monks in a party:
1. Mesmer and/or interrupt ranger and/or knockdowns and/or curse overload and/or ANY OTHER PRESSURE.
2. Stick it on a monk.
3. ???????
4. PROFIT

Guild wars has definitely changed. I remember way back when, when people adapted their builds to shutdown and plow fotms. Now y'all just whine and cry until whatever gets nerfed.

90% of HA is rspike? Of course it is. And 90% of beer is made from magic and fairy dust. I was randomwaying with some low ranks to get em some fame. 9/10 of the teams we faced were not rspike. The one that was sucked, and we rolled it. With vent-less random r0-r9's. YOUR STATISTICS IMPRESS ME, GOOD SIRS :O

Yes, I know what I'm talking about. Sb/Infused my way to r9 a while back, then quit for a year or so. Now I PvE with my girlfriend, and teach her guildmates (all under r3, so don't even think of turning this into a "lol elitests suck" flame) to pvp.

¿Evan¿ · Jul 28, 2008, 05:54 AM // 05:54

make paragons main attack buff cause cracked armor:make ranger buffs cause blindness!!! anet solution to balancing!

ALSO:
THE MAGIC OF SHIELDSUPWAY
1 war
1 para (DA,SHIELDS UP)
1 para(DA,SHIELDS UP)
1 water ele(blurred,harm)
1 fire ele (triple heats w/ warding)
1 mes(pd,cry. or powerblock)
1 prot
1 heal

Chain shields up with DA and camp harm for epic lulz and r spike crying while still pumping out massive damage with 2 paragons 1 fire ele 1 warrior and a mesmer.

Arya Nibelrund · Jul 28, 2008, 08:30 AM // 08:30

Mhhh ok noone ever said r-spike is unbeatable. There are tons of builds able to win against it, you do NOT need 2 DA paragons or a shield up; of course that helps but you can use any build you need. Heck, we flawlessed so many rspike having Tahlkora without infuse health..... The point is that compared to other builds this is too efficient for the skill level it requires to be run. I'm not going to point out again why it needs to be toned down, it has already been said SO many times in this thread. Also stop posting stuff like 'lol zomg noob it's so easy to beat just do this and this and that and blah blah blah'. Everyone knows you have to cry the spike when you can, you have to SB the target, or you have to infuse it. Thing is, to beat a good rspike (3 people who can count to 3 at the same time :O ) you need to play a nearly flawless match, put a high pressure, get thru many layers of defense etc etc while all they need to do is score 1-2 kills (they will soon or later, the recharge on their attack is very short) and look for hard resses. And about not many people running rspike, well maybe you need to play a little bit more. Thumpway is still the most popular build but you rarely find them after burial. Last night we got one of our rare full runs and from UW to Courtyard all we faced were rspikes... so yeah

Monk Gsb · Jul 28, 2008, 02:06 PM // 14:06

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Originally Posted by Bacon Was A Monk

YOUR STATISTICS IMPRESS ME, GOOD SIRS :O

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Originally Posted by me

oh btw..67% of all stats on forums are made up.

enjoy.

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Originally Posted by ¿Evan¿

ALSO:
THE MAGIC OF SHIELDSUPWAY
1 war
1 para (DA,SHIELDS UP)
1 para(DA,SHIELDS UP)
1 water ele(blurred,harm)
1 fire ele (triple heats w/ warding)
1 mes(pd,cry. or powerblock)
1 prot
1 heal

/sigh, thats just so bad enjoy not killing or presuring anything at all.

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Originally Posted by me

1. Insert Warrior or Dervish with some form of deep wound* and a res sig.
2. Me/Rit Power Block, diversion, shame*, wep of warding and a dpact.
3. Me/E icy shackels with blured vision, glyph of imm*, steam* and a res sig.
4. N/E spitefull spirt, reckless, cover hex, rend,gole weaken armour and a res sig.
5. E/P AoE AoE SH/mindblast, rogs*, song, makehaste and a res sig.
6. E/Rit eruption, churning earth, unsteady or SandStorm, grasping, stoning*, ward vs foes, wep of warding and a fomf.
7. Mo/Me with Rc, Spirtbond, rof, channeling.
8. Mo/Me with HB, Infuse, p-spirt, channeling.

(* means they use said skill on 1 or 2 to either assist with the spike (aka the shame on the prot or infuse monk) or they use it on the spike.

but also stop the QQ fest, yes r-spike is op, if you sit there and try to play some epic non defence build, or a defence where block is your only defence. and still wonder why u loose to r-spike then /wrists.

btw, non block defence =

blind
blured
reckless
clumsiness
wondering eye
ineptitude
sig of humil ( can be used in defence or offence, (getting glass arrows or anthem of guidence = defence, getting rc, woh or hb = offence.)
sum of all fears
mirror of disenchant (if vs the OotV r-spike)
enfeebling blood ( can be used for offence and defence)
faintheartedness
indigionous parasite (idk how to spell it)
meekness
price of failure
angelic bond
angelic protection
ward vs harm
wepon of shadow (but gl catching a spike with this xD)
dulled wepon
sheilds up
watch yourself
cof (on recharge on there spikes)
leech sig on there glass arrorws
power block on there rit

tis all i can think of atm. but, that is 24 skills to use out of 64 that they can do nothing about apart from removing the hexes or removing blinds, and you dont need all of them to win games, just mix and match the 1's that would fit into ur build, if going for a hexpressure take the ele and necro shutdowns, if going for a spike build take the mesmer and para shutdowns, ect ect.

you fail if you cant cover hexes / conditions.

Bacon Was A Monk · Jul 28, 2008, 03:16 PM // 15:16

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Originally Posted by Arya Nibelrund

Thing is, to beat a good rspike (3 people who can count to 3 at the same time :O ) you need to play a nearly flawless match, put a high pressure, get thru many layers of defense etc etc while all they need to do is score 1-2 kills (they will soon or later, the recharge on their attack is very short) and look for hard resses. And about not many people running rspike, well maybe you need to play a little bit more. Thumpway is still the most popular build but you rarely find them after burial. Last night we got one of our rare full runs and from UW to Courtyard all we faced were rspikes... so yeah

You just proved your own point wrong. You killed rspike from UW to courtyard. How does this make rspike overpowered? -___-

If a guild can coordinate a perfectly clean rspike (more than 3 2 1. The paragon has to get his deep wound perfectly timed. The caller needs to not suck and know priority targets. Rangers need to know how to kite. Rangers need to know how to fake out the infuser/prot if they're decent monks) then I congratulate them. It's a bit more tricky than people assume.

Many layers of defense...? It's a 3 monk backline, some with vital weapon or weapon of warding, some with a couple paragon chants. If you were able to get through a full run of rspike, then obviously its not that hard to beat their defense.

Arya Nibelrund · Jul 28, 2008, 03:42 PM // 15:42

Ok i give up. Rspike is not overpowered. Pointless to discuss.

The Way Out · Jul 28, 2008, 06:16 PM // 18:16

RSpike isn't overpowered, its free fame when we face them. Watch the caller, keep their Winds and EoE down, and snare their back line. We fold RSpike effectively. Plus, I don't mind the challenge of watching them spike a couple of us. I think people want things easy. RSpike has trouble holding halls. I don't find any team build in halls being overpowered. However, I do find a couple profession skills overpowered. Nerfing anything ig now would suck.

Monk Gsb · Jul 28, 2008, 07:05 PM // 19:05

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Originally Posted by The Way Out

RSpike isn't overpowered, its free fame when we face them. Watch the caller, keep their Winds and EoE down, and snare their back line. We fold RSpike effectively. Plus, I don't mind the challenge of watching them spike a couple of us. I think people want things easy. RSpike has trouble holding halls. I don't find any team build in halls being overpowered. However, I do find a couple profession skills overpowered. Nerfing anything ig now would suck.

xD your actualy so fail its not even funny,

that mate, is called Sway / heroway / shitway,not r-spike.

r-spike does not use eoe, and r-spike (a guild group anyways) does not have troubble holding. pugs do, but mehh pugs are baed.

Abedeus · Jul 28, 2008, 07:29 PM // 19:29

Winds? You mean Energizing Winds? I think you DID confuse sway with r-spank.

Killed u man · Jul 28, 2008, 08:00 PM // 20:00

1) Rspike fanboys: PvE this way -----------> (Goes up to Campfire).

2) I fail to see a build that is in HoH 24/7 isn't OP.

3) You need better arguements then: "Pressure them down", or "Shutdown the Rit" in order to proove Rspike isn't OP.

4) Me and about 3 other people in this thread are the only ones that don't Rspike, and do have a non-biased opinion. I give proof and examples, the "pro-rspikers" give: "Omg STOP SUCKIGN AT MEZMER ITS NOT OP" arguements. Nuff' Said.

5) If Rspike isn't OP, which everyone knows it is (Problem is Rspikers can ONLY run Rspike, so they keep defending their only way of getting fame), then Bloodspike, Ritspike, Jaggedway, SoMW never was OP either.
I gues I should make a new thread asking to get these builds un-nerfed, as Rspike could always easily compete with all these builds...

BlueNovember · Jul 28, 2008, 08:07 PM // 20:07

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

Winds? You mean Energizing Winds? I think you DID confuse sway with r-spank.

He probably means [Read the Wind]. (For old school 4 rangers Dual-Punishing-Savage with orders necro, rather than Glass Arrows and Rit/Para)

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Originally Posted by killed you man

Problem is Rspikers can ONLY run Rspike, so they keep defending their only way of getting fame

Way to generalise.

kostolomac · Jul 28, 2008, 08:11 PM // 20:11

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

1) Rspike fanboys: PvE this way -----------> (Goes up to Campfire).

2) I fail to see a build that is in HoH 24/7 isn't OP.

3) You need better arguements then: "Pressure them down", or "Shutdown the Rit" in order to proove Rspike isn't OP.

4) Me and about 3 other people in this thread are the only ones that don't Rspike, and do have a non-biased opinion. I give proof and examples, the "pro-rspikers" give: "Omg STOP SUCKIGN AT MEZMER ITS NOT OP" arguements. Nuff' Said.

5) If Rspike isn't OP, which everyone knows it is (Problem is Rspikers can ONLY run Rspike, so they keep defending their only way of getting fame), then Bloodspike, Ritspike, Jaggedway, SoMW never was OP either.
I gues I should make a new thread asking to get these builds un-nerfed, as Rspike could always easily compete with all these builds...

1)Stop insulting anyone who doesn't agree with you

2)If hway started holding halls 24/7 then it would be OP too?

3) look at 1)

4) I don't rspike , i do what my guild does , and it isn't rspike

5)at least we will have more diversity

Yes rspike is op , but not to the point that it has to die , increasing the recharge of the spike skills so that they can't spike more often would be a logical thing to do.

Dronte · Jul 28, 2008, 08:32 PM // 20:32

Btw, funny that sway is going out of meta, and rspike is the real meta now, so people are bitching about rspike instead of sway. Noone had a problem with rspike when sway was the meta. Now rspike is TEH LAMEZ build.

Its also funny that ppl keep advising to use sig of humility and other 3 sec cast spells on their w/e, looks like someone always forget the fact of INTERRUPTS. Any decent ranger shots out the important spells in a moment.

Anyways, I dont have a real problem with rspike. The only thing that is still imbalanced is vital weapon imo.

Killed u man · Jul 28, 2008, 08:40 PM // 20:40

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Originally Posted by kostolomac

1)Stop insulting anyone who doesn't agree with you

2)If hway started holding halls 24/7 then it would be OP too?

3) look at 1)

4) I don't rspike , i do what my guild does , and it isn't rspike

5)at least we will have more diversity

Yes rspike is op , but not to the point that it has to die , increasing the recharge of the spike skills so that they can't spike more often would be a logical thing to do.

1) Everything is a question of agreeing. When I make a "Bring back Bloodspike/Ritspike" thread, let's see how many people will start insulting then, mkay?

2) No, because heroway wouldn't be overpowered, it would be overrun. Sway is the better example. Rspike IS op, as it is known to roll REAL balanced teams. (DA's, lol)

3) When did I insult anyone? Time to grow up and grow some balls. If you get offended by: "Rspike fanboys: PvE this way -----------> (Goes up to Campfire).", you really need to concider getting out of your basement +1 hour a day.

4) Running 4 DA's, 3 Shield's Up, 7 Cries (1 on a Monk, yes) etc and then comming here rediculing people for saying Rspike is OP... Really, WHAT are you doing?

5) I like how you actually agree on this: bring back Bloodspike and Ritspike. This really prooves my point that some people really lack any proportion in reasoning.

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I'll make it simple for you:

Rspike beats Balanced (Please read past 4 pages if you REALLY think a balanced will beat Rspike)
Ritspike beats Rspike
Bloodspike beats Rspike
... beats Rspike

Take out Ritspike, Bloodspike and ... (Nerfed builds)

Rspike beats Balanced
Nothing beats Rspike
Nothing beats Rspike
Nothing betas Rspike

It ISN'T rocket-science, really. GW is a really simple, and easy, game in which you cut yourself to top PvP with mere button-bashing.

I beg you, please stop posting non-sence on HOW rspike isn't OP and can be beaten, and just read these next lines. (Cuz I have the feeling everyone defending rspike just comes here, clicks post reply and goes "It isn't OP, stop sucking" and then goes back to Campfire)

ANY build up till this day COULD be beaten. ANY build up till this day COULD be beaten by balanced. This DOESN'T mean the build isn't OP.

kostolomac · Jul 28, 2008, 08:52 PM // 20:52

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

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2)then why you used this argument then , when it doesn't accurately show whether rspike is op?

3) You defend your arguments with petty insults , maybe yours haven't dropped?

4)FYI it had one ranger , 2 eles , 2 necros , 1 mes and 2 other squishies

5)why yes , I would like them back not because they are OP , but HA and pvp in general lacks any diversity

Do you mind telling me a "balanced" team's setup first , since this is very relative.

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Originally Posted by me

Yes rspike is op

I never said rspike wasn't op , read a little , I just said that it shouldn't die like the other builds , it just needs to be toned down.

Bacon Was A Monk · Jul 28, 2008, 09:05 PM // 21:05

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

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I'll make it simple for you:

Rspike beats Balanced (Please read past 4 pages if you REALLY think a balanced will beat Rspike)
Ritspike beats Rspike
Bloodspike beats Rspike
... beats Rspike

Take out Ritspike, Bloodspike and ... (Nerfed builds)

Rspike beats Balanced
Nothing beats Rspike
Nothing beats Rspike
Nothing betas Rspike

I beg you, please stop posting non-sence on HOW rspike isn't OP and can be beaten, and just read these next lines. (Cuz I have the feeling everyone defending rspike just comes here, clicks post reply and goes "It isn't OP, stop sucking" and then goes back to Campfire)

ANY build up till this day COULD be beaten. ANY build up till this day COULD be beaten by balanced. This DOESN'T mean the build isn't OP.

Randomway can beat most bad rspikes.
Proper shutdowns beats most any rspike.
Perfect, clean, coordinated rspikes beat most others because THEY KNOW HOW TO PLAY. Ever wonder why most rspikes you see on observe have similar players? They know how to play. If they ran something else and fought vs a decent rspike, the rspike would lose.

Stfu and learn to bring counters. Seriously. If enough people counter rspike, it will die down once again. If you all keep RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing whining about it, anet will practically ruin rangers in pvp. Try increasing your skill in HA, it MIGHT just help.

How exactly do you find rspike OP if you can EASILY COUNTER it? OP generally means it can't be countered, and if it can, it will severely hinder a build. Rspike just needs monks who know how to monk (watch who gets hexed/stripped), maybe a shields up stuck in somewhere, maybe some interrupts, maybe a way to screw up the rangers. Is that so hard to stick in?

Bulletdodger · Jul 28, 2008, 09:23 PM // 21:23

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

3) When did I insult anyone? Time to grow up and grow some balls. If you get offended by: "Rspike fanboys: PvE this way -----------> (Goes up to Campfire).", you really need to concider getting out of your basement +1 hour a day.

Rspike beats Balanced
Nothing beats Rspike
Nothing beats Rspike
Nothing betas Rspike

ANY build up till this day COULD be beaten. ANY build up till this day COULD be beaten by balanced. This DOESN'T mean the build isn't OP.

Do you leave your basement for +1 hour per day because you seem to watch HoH 24/7 and know every team that enters HoH ?

Maybe balanced is outdated , change some skills ( I'm not saying put more cries and DA's ) , just try something new out. I don't think that the balanced skill bar is the same as the balanced 1 year earlier , adapt , people who invented R-spike created something new and adapted and searched for a great spike and found it , TRY SOMETHING NEW , DON'T QQ ALL THE TIME , LET THE DEVS DO THEIR JOB .

A little correction to your last lines :
EVERY build CAN be beaten. ANY build CAN be beaten by balanced. ANY build can beat balanced , You just need to play right.
P.S: I didn't get offended , I ain't no r-spike fanboy , I never played it .
You are such a QQ-er , grow some balls , if you think something is OP you don't have to rage at a forum about it , try to overcome it.

@Bacon Was A Monk: QFT

kostolomac · Jul 28, 2008, 09:41 PM // 21:41

Also god forbid you change one or two skills of your "balanced" team , it would be an outrage.
/sarcasm