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Renowned Spartan · Aug 28, 2008, 06:32 PM // 18:32

Obv. it's been done before, but is it still viable in GvG? Someone said something about the assassin teleport skills being nerfed to the point that the opposing team has more time to pre-prot..etc. etc. Any clarification would be appreciated.

-Spartan

360° · Aug 28, 2008, 06:48 PM // 18:48

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Originally Posted by Renowned Spartan

Obv. it's been done before, but is it still viable in GvG? Someone said something about the assassin teleport skills being nerfed to the point that the opposing team has more time to pre-prot..etc. etc. Any clarification would be appreciated.

-Spartan

Well, shadowsteps got nerfed, they got an aftercast now. 0,75s + 1s = 1,75s. Very easy to pre-prot so it's not really viable anymore.

Renowned Spartan · Aug 28, 2008, 07:22 PM // 19:22

3/4ths cast I see, but where are you getting the 1s from? Aftercast was less than 1s I thought...I'm prob wrong...

Edit: Maybe you're math is wrong , read it was a .75 delay...and both Dark Prison and whatever other skill are 3/4ths cast so .75+.75=1.50? I'll have to try it tonight in RA and get a feel for it before I get my guild to go in with it...ran it before all this aftercast bull and farmed up to 500 in 2 nights time.

Sindy · Aug 28, 2008, 07:36 PM // 19:36

.75 after cast for shadowstepping + 1 sec cast time for shockwave is what I believe he was saying.

Cirian · Aug 28, 2008, 07:58 PM // 19:58

Shadow Walk doesn't have an aftercast, if you really want to try Shockwave again.

edit: just had a go on nameless with a glyph that adds instant cast (choice of Essence or Sacrifice) and SW->SW = instant telespike.

hreherhrehhe · Aug 28, 2008, 09:26 PM // 21:26

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Originally Posted by Cirian

Shadow Walk doesn't have an aftercast, if you really want to try Shockwave again.

edit: just had a go on nameless with a glyph that adds instant cast (choice of Essence or Sacrifice) and SW->SW = instant telespike.

Yeah, listen to this guy...

...but only if you enjoy spiking once every 30 seconds.

Why do pvers go to a pvp forum?

Anyway, shockwave spike was bad before because you could kite out of it.

Shockwave spike is worse than it was before because you have twice as long to kite out of it.

Renowned Spartan · Aug 28, 2008, 10:31 PM // 22:31

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Originally Posted by hreherhrehhe

Yeah, listen to this guy...

...but only if you enjoy spiking once every 30 seconds.

Why do pvers go to a pvp forum?

Anyway, shockwave spike was bad before because you could kite out of it.

Shockwave spike is worse than it was before because you have twice as long to kite out of it.

Regardless how long the recharge on that is, the two other shadowsteps were 30 seconds as well so it makes no difference...as well as the fact that you have Obby flame to break up the recharge...

Burton2000 · Aug 28, 2008, 10:37 PM // 22:37

The only shockwave ive seen after the updates used shadow fang as that has no aftercast on it. Otherwise yeah, easy to kite it now.

hrehreheee · Aug 29, 2008, 12:34 AM // 00:34

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Originally Posted by Renowned Spartan

Regardless how long the recharge on that is, the two other shadowsteps were 30 seconds as well so it makes no difference...as well as the fact that you have Obby flame to break up the recharge...

Actually, no.

He mentions goe and gos, don't know why. Pretty dumb idea. goe = no energy and gos = 30 second recharge.

and obs flame to "break up the recharge"? No resolves = say hi to cry. gl getting a single spike off.

and after all of that you still have a pbaoe spike that can be KITED.

IMMORTAlMITCH · Aug 29, 2008, 09:54 AM // 09:54

Shadow Walk.

Renowned Spartan · Aug 29, 2008, 12:22 PM // 12:22

shadow walk also has the downside of warping back to where you warped from...so if your team has already moved away from where you were 5 seconds ago, you warp back into a rape fest..lol

deya · Aug 29, 2008, 02:01 PM // 14:01

No1 should run this shit for obvious reasons...

Questecure1 · Aug 29, 2008, 03:12 PM // 15:12

rawr lost to mkay running shockwave spike in the esl match, just for the record.

Renowned Spartan · Aug 29, 2008, 04:51 PM // 16:51

Yea, I'm just looking for a lame build to farm up to top 300ish. I ran shockwave in the same guild before and made it to 500 or something before everyone went on vacation. I'm going to be at school most of the weeks now but on weekends I'll be at home and wanting to run something lame in GvG just for fun and to get top 500 again...shockwave was just fun to play..I'm being told that ritspike works as well now.

Burton2000 · Aug 29, 2008, 08:06 PM // 20:06

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Originally Posted by Renowned Spartan

Yea, I'm just looking for a lame build to farm up to top 300ish. I ran shockwave in the same guild before and made it to 500 or something before everyone went on vacation. I'm going to be at school most of the weeks now but on weekends I'll be at home and wanting to run something lame in GvG just for fun and to get top 500 again...shockwave was just fun to play..I'm being told that ritspike works as well now.

If you want lame just run kappa spike/ranger spike or even the raosmiteway(with the new bars obviously).

Cirian · Sep 01, 2008, 07:32 PM // 19:32

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Originally Posted by hrehreheee

Actually, no.

He mentions goe and gos, don't know why. Pretty dumb idea. goe = no energy and gos = 30 second recharge.

and obs flame to "break up the recharge"? No resolves = say hi to cry. gl getting a single spike off.

and after all of that you still have a pbaoe spike that can be KITED.

Ok you're banned, but look, you can't kite instant cast ok? Lets say you take 4 Shockwave eles in the team. Using a GlyphSac they can spike around once a minute (allow some time for gamesmanship), so someone on the other side is going to instagib in an extremely gay and unpredictable manner because Shadow Walk has no cast or aftercast, and a glyphed shockwave has no cast either. Every minute.

During the recharge the elementalists are not going to kill anything or output any meaningful pressure because they are not physicals. So, they are going to sit in a multitude of wards and play fortressway. The build is gay because it's spike, so it might as well be as mercilessly gay as conceivably possible.

I'm with deya on the ethics though, because it's not going to be a fun and balanced build to play against if it works. Obviously if this sort of thing turns out to be viable it needs to die, but hey, it has to cause an outrage first.

Monk Gsb · Sep 01, 2008, 11:50 PM // 23:50

why does no one think of return, one spiker takes 2 shadow steps and the rest of the spikers just take return, good for jumping around the place and for spiking (due to its no after cast and its 15 sec recharge) but it makes it just as obivious although with return u can fake spike by getting your caller to jump to say there prot, and the rest of your spikers jump to a monk and spike there frontline down.

Absolute Eminence · Sep 03, 2008, 05:31 PM // 17:31

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Originally Posted by Renowned Spartan

Yea, I'm just looking for a lame build to farm up to top 300ish. I ran shockwave in the same guild before and made it to 500 or something before everyone went on vacation. I'm going to be at school most of the weeks now but on weekends I'll be at home and wanting to run something lame in GvG just for fun and to get top 500 again...shockwave was just fun to play..I'm being told that ritspike works as well now.

I can byob a guild up to top 200 and sell it to you. Also I think you guys still dont understand the aftercast. Please take it to temple of balthazar (isle of the nameless) before stating facts that are not facts. test it yourself.

Absolute Eminence · Sep 03, 2008, 05:32 PM // 17:32

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Originally Posted by Monk Gsb

why does no one think of return, one spiker takes 2 shadow steps and the rest of the spikers just take return, good for jumping around the place and for spiking (due to its no after cast and its 15 sec recharge) but it makes it just as obivious although with return u can fake spike by getting your caller to jump to say there prot, and the rest of your spikers jump to a monk and spike there frontline down.

return only works on allies right? so the face spiking wont work.

tnyp · Sep 03, 2008, 06:56 PM // 18:56

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Originally Posted by Absolute Eminence

return only works on allies right? so the face spiking wont work.

Fail to read...

The idea is to put 2 30s recharge shadowsteps on the caller. The caller jumps first and the others jump with return targeting the caller.

The main probleme I see is that you need a skill that works on nearby enemies (not adjacent) to spike because you may end up on opposite side from the enemy when you shadowstep to the caller.