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SilentWhistle · Sep 22, 2008, 08:25 PM // 20:25

Hiya. Sooo, I play Infuser/WoH in GvG & I consider myself ok-ish at monking in TA, but GvG is really a whole new level.
I'd just like some tips from the pros. (I've read the 2 big guides on here, but they seem pretty outdated on afew things, although there's some general stuff in there that did help, however, my questions are abit more specific.

Firstly, my wep sets.
I'm carrying a Sword/Shield - 20%Ench&Energy+5. Health+30&-5/20%.
40/40 Healing Set.
Standard casters set. (HP+30/Energy+5,20%/20%)
And a high energy set. (30/-2 = [email protected] pips).

I'd like to check if this is the 'meta' equipment, or, correct equipment.

I'm 605hp on my sword and shield, caster & High energy set. 575hp on 40/40.
38 energy on sword shield, 50 on caster, 45 on 40/40 & 75 on my high.

Does this seem about right?

Secondly, I come to the awesome skill, Patient Spirit. This I use as my general heal, however, I have afew problems with it.
I like to cast on my Sword/Shield, as if I have a warrior bashing on me, I use Guardian+20%ench from sword- however, healing with Patient Spirit on this set is a pain, as it's like a 3 second heal. I do try to get on 40/40 when casting it, but don't really like wep swapping while I have a warrior on me, casue of KD's getting through etc.
So...how do you guys heal with Patient?
Last question, I promise ^.^- Energy Management. I'm pretty bad at this. I always pre-veil myself before battle, and leave it there if I see a mesmer, however, I just find it really difficult keeping my energy up with only 3 pips, don't get me wrong, i'm not spamming my heals, but it does go down overtime, as I find myself protting this guy & Patienting this guy, and it all adds up.
So I think, "Oh well, the mesmer ain't casting on me, i'll remove my veil", and then BAM! Shame on me, have to wait for it ending.
So, any tips for E-manage from you pro monks

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I have no signets in my bar since they just don't fit in.

Thanks for reading guys & sorry for the long post.

Tyla · Sep 22, 2008, 08:43 PM // 20:43

+5E/20% enchant swords are bad for the most part. If you want enchants, run a staff with 40/20/20. Your shield set should also be +10AL vs. *type*, one for every kind.

A decent Monk equipment setup is:

40/20/20 Prot Staff. (Cast your prots skills with this)
40/40 Heal Set. (Cast your heals with this)
+5E/+30HP martial / +30HP/+10AL vs. *type* shield. (You'd want to swap back to this after every cast)
High set.

If you're being pressured by a Warrior (this is using Patient Spirit), as far as I am concerned the weaponset you cast it in doesn't really matter as it's a 1/4 second cast with a fairly decent recharge. Pre-Patient if you think damage will come, make sure you're kiting with it too.

I can't really say much for 2 and 3, to be honest. Hope I helped though.

SilentWhistle · Sep 22, 2008, 08:53 PM // 20:53

Thanks alot for that, appreciated man.
So, running +5/30hp on my sword, and enchanting with Prot staff?

That does make more sense..
/palmface

Dismiss the Cynic · Sep 22, 2008, 09:10 PM // 21:10

Use woh for healing instead of using patient all the time.

If you are running low on energy ask your team to fall back a bit, that is reduceing the pressure you take a lot.
Dont overheal/prot and only heal people who are taking damage, you can let someone drop to 75-80% without much of a risk and he'll most likely get healed up by party heals.
Also you dont have to veil yourself all the time, the other monk can remove hexes from you, just call the important stuff, and if you watch the mes you wont be casting into diversion/shame often.

Byron · Sep 23, 2008, 07:22 PM // 19:22

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Originally Posted by SilentWhistle

I always pre-veil myself before battle, and leave it there if I see a mesmer, however, I just find it really difficult keeping my energy up with only 3 pips, don't get me wrong, i'm not spamming my heals, but it does go down overtime, as I find myself protting this guy & Patienting this guy, and it all adds up.
So I think, "Oh well, the mesmer ain't casting on me, i'll remove my veil", and then BAM! Shame on me, have to wait for it ending.

The good monks I've seen will be able to predict when a mesmer has pleak, diversion, or shame on deck, and they will also look to see if the mesmer is casting. Field awareness is key. Of course, you can't hope to completely negate a mesmer's shutdown, but by pumping their pleak or not eating a shame, you may just save your team/ the game.

Veil is a whole nother story. You should keep a veil when you have the energy to do so, but when you come under pressure, that veil needs to go. Or, you could be a scrub and run hex breaker.

psygnosis · Sep 24, 2008, 08:08 AM // 08:08

I use -5 energy on the sword in shield set cause of deb shot and surge or ether phantom that gets stripped, btw the veil is also there so your ranger can dshot those evil diversions/shames if he doesnt yell at him ;P ofc you cant afford to have veil up all the time and ofc that RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOs your emanagement.

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Originally Posted by Byron

You should keep a veil when you have the energy to do so, but before you run too low, that veil needs to go. Or, you could be a scrub and run hex breaker.

fixd, pressure doesnt mean the veil has to go eventually, especially then it can be very helpful to avoid a key diversion/shame, also again the Ranger should help in such moments, you should let the team know when to play defensive and let them know whatever is owning you, which is usually the mesmer ^^

Btw the point of Hex Breaker was not being a scrub but was in first place taken to run spotless on heal monk (and not gettin mes spammed).

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Originally Posted by SilentWhistle

So...how do you guys heal with Patient?

err, just because one war is on you shouldnt prevent you from casting patient, or switchin sets, just be a bit aware of dchop and adren status (which is not so easy xd) or also you can see if he is blind or hexed (blurred, hex snares and blind is atleast atm the usual stuffs dunno if you run meta,) as you see again its not only you who should avoid the mes and wars all on your own (which isnt possible anyway), you should have some defense in your build that should shut em down, also not using a 20% ench on Sword helps if you dont want the longer ench and thus faster heal on your shield set

As you see you rly need to communicate with your team there :]

psygnoobsis ~

lol omg wtf bbq hax · Sep 30, 2008, 11:16 AM // 11:16

dont forget a low energy set CUS IT SAVES LIVEZ (-5 +30hp weapon and Frozen Fan)

MaaKotka · Sep 30, 2008, 05:19 PM // 17:19

I'm far from a good monk, but I say something anyway. I use patient every time I need to heal and i'm not in a hurry to do so and ofcourse it is ready. 2 reasons: it is harder to interrupt and this way I risk less to get woh diverted. Woh is for when I need bigger or faster heals. Energy management comes from protting and when you dont overheal.

Weapon swapping is something that should be learned and it helps a lot. Something that shouldn't be ignored is to cast through shame in low energy set when it is needed and then swapping to little higher energy set to save that spiked target. Also about energy management for me Signet of Rejuvination works just fine and it helps also against shame because you can cast it through shame.

There is much more to say but this is what came up on my mind.

RiceCream · Sep 30, 2008, 05:44 PM // 17:44

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Originally Posted by psygnosis

I use -5 energy on the sword in shield set cause of deb shot and surge or ether phantom that gets stripped, btw the veil is also there so your ranger can dshot those evil diversions/s

^^^
very important i you dont want to get screwed over with your energy in this current meta.

watch to make sure ur not over healing. bars dont need to be completely full.

the infuse button should rarely be used. never infuse wiht a warrior on you unless you are protted to high hell and/or its a dire emergency. you infusing and dying will may cause a team wipe.

weapon swap.

cancel skills. no point in getting a skill diverted or dshot.

weapon swap.

move your buff/debuffs bar to a position where its easy to see.

move your maintained enchantments bar to a place where its easy to doubleclick and not have to go hunting for it. thats time not spent watching the field.

learn how to use veil. (psygnosis said some sexy stuff about coordination between u and ranger and veil). also use veil if u have e/it recharged/time to throw one up on your (hammer) warrior just before the spike. quick blur/snare removal could get that last bit of damage through.

use your prot spirit. use it to cover conjure on your wars. use it to support the prot monk etc blah blah. use it to prevent counterspikes on (axe/sword) wars

a lot of the game is not staring at the red bars. you need to be aware of what's happening. when getting chased by warrior, watch to see when the bulls is coming and hit ESC to make them fail the KD.

dont not have vent/mic. communication is key. call hex removal. call KDs, call whats bugging you if you cant deal with it.

weapon swap.

We Dont Accept · Oct 04, 2008, 11:26 PM // 23:26

Ok Experience monk gona give you hes ideas:
Low set+30health-5energy=e-denial set if theys e-denial mesmer go on this set so they cant drain much energy.
40/40=cast set if your woh+40/40 prot aswell.
High energy 40/20/20 Prot Staff or 30energy+27health+Echantment
If you want a low set=30+health +5armor +5energy axe or spear with echant+half casting.

Chaos Rofl Copter · Oct 05, 2008, 01:45 AM // 01:45

pre prot..

pre prot with patient

refrain from using infuse, you shouldn't have to use it if you pre prot and pre patient properly.

pre prot

yell at your midline if your getting diversion/shame spammed. it's their fault

weapon swap... heres a tip that most monks don't do, when you weapon swap, press ESC (escape) right after you hit your weapon swap key so you have an instant swap so theirs no downtime in casting.. ex: I would do F1+esc+spell

if your prot is good ( most likely not ) then you won't run out of energy.

don't red bar, just because you have heals doesn't mean you have to make everything have a full bar, ex: if something has 75%< health and theirs nothing hitting it, don't heal it..... unless you have signet of rejuv,

when your team starts to take pressure, you might tend to take your eyes off the field and on to the party bar for red bar heals, don't do this.

yell at your midline if your getting diversion/shame spammed. it's their fault

yell at your midline if your getting diversion/shame spammed. it's their fault

yell at your frontline is something doesn't die and your doing your job.

edit: when monking, you should be using guardian more than woh and patient, because your prot is probably bad, this might sound stupid, but if you use it properly, it can stop a spike.. which can save you about 10 energy, and your prot like 15-20 energy.

sorry for accusing your prot of being so bad, I don't know why I do that,

Chucky333 · Oct 05, 2008, 12:55 PM // 12:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chaos Rofl Copter

pre prot..

pre prot with patient

refrain from using infuse, you shouldn't have to use it if you pre prot and pre patient properly.

pre prot

yell at your midline if your getting diversion/shame spammed. it's their fault

weapon swap... heres a tip that most monks don't do, when you weapon swap, press ESC (escape) right after you hit your weapon swap key so you have an instant swap so theirs no downtime in casting.. ex: I would do F1+esc+spell

if your prot is good ( most likely not ) then you won't run out of energy.

don't red bar, just because you have heals doesn't mean you have to make everything have a full bar, ex: if something has 75%< health and theirs nothing hitting it, don't heal it..... unless you have signet of rejuv,

when your team starts to take pressure, you might tend to take your eyes off the field and on to the party bar for red bar heals, don't do this.

yell at your midline if your getting diversion/shame spammed. it's their fault

yell at your midline if your getting diversion/shame spammed. it's their fault

yell at your frontline is something doesn't die and your doing your job.

edit: when monking, you should be using guardian more than woh and patient, because your prot is probably bad, this might sound stupid, but if you use it properly, it can stop a spike.. which can save you about 10 energy, and your prot like 15-20 energy.

sorry for accusing your prot of being so bad, I don't know why I do that,

An easier way to avoid the delay between swaps is just to move when swapping.
When youre about to swap, move when doing it, since theres no delay when you move, and you should never be standing still anyway.

skakid9090 · Oct 05, 2008, 03:47 PM // 15:47

USE PROT SPIRIT

It will save you so much energy.