Curse

SilentWhistle · Sep 26, 2008, 07:16 PM // 19:16

How exactly does it work?
Does it kind of 'hide' my energy...
Like, if a ranger used debil shot on me, that takes 8 energy from me, how does -5 weapon help with this, as theres still a pool of energy to take the 8 from.

Am I totally off?

Someone explain it to me if they can please, if I can find a worthy/effective use of running it in GvG to help against E-Steal, then I will.

Thanks for reading.

Sun Fired Blank · Sep 26, 2008, 07:31 PM // 19:31

Your default energy on a caster is 30. As long as you're on the 25 energy set, they can't touch any energy past your default energy.

Ic Zero · Sep 26, 2008, 08:24 PM // 20:24

for example, say you have 8 energy left on your staff set, if a ranger htis you with debilitating shot, you will have no energy left, but if you're on your -5energy/shield set(which gives you atleast 17 less energy than your staff set) when debilitating shot hits you, you can swap back to your staff set after and you'll still have that 8 energy to spend.
it's useful to die on a -energy set because when your ressed you can swap to your standard set and have more energy.

zelgadissan · Sep 26, 2008, 08:33 PM // 20:33

They explained it pretty well - if that doesn't explain it to you, think of it this way. If you're on a normal set and you're out of energy, you can swap to a high set for more. It's the same principle - if on a low set you get Eburned or Debilshotted, you swap to a normal 40/40 or something and voila, energy!

The less energy pool you have, the less energy they can take.

joshuarodger · Sep 26, 2008, 08:35 PM // 20:35

basically, you can never go below zero energy no matter what set you're on (exhaustion not included). if you have 5 energy left and you're on your -5 sword set and get hit with Deb. Shot, you'll go to zero energy. if you instantly unequip your sword and have no weapon equipped, you'll be back to 5 energy. if you were to equip an unmodded staff after you just got hit you would go to 15 energy. i.e. the -5 from your sword would be negated, meaning you would have 5 energy, plus a max staff grants an unconditional +10 energy to the wielder, meaning you would have 15 energy in this case. i don't know if that's very clear but i hope it helps.

dilan155 · Sep 26, 2008, 10:14 PM // 22:14

without exhaustion counting, you cannot get less than 0 energy from skills, so if you had 8 energy and and someone uses a skill to take away 8 energy, then youd have 0 energy, however if you swapped to your low enegy set that lets say for this example gives you -8 energy(just imagine) then youd lost 0 energy because you already have 0 energy, then when you swap back to the staff then youd have 8 energy+whatever energy boost mods the staff have. um sorta confusing i suppose, you dont really need it in most low end PvP and all of PvE, mostly useful in GvG and a little useful in HA.

Striken7 · Sep 27, 2008, 12:22 AM // 00:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by dilan155

if you had 8 energy and and someone uses a skill to take away 8 energy, then youd have 0 energy, however if you swapped to your low enegy set that lets say for this example gives you -8 energy(just imagine) then youd lost 0 energy because you already have 0 energy, then when you swap back to the staff then youd have 8 energy+whatever energy boost mods the staff have.

The way you explained it makes it sound like you can swap after your already at 0, and then swap back to gain 8 energy. You may not have meant it that way, but to avoid confusion:

If your already at 0 energy on your normal set, and switch to a -8 low energy set, you would be at -8 energy (even though it still says zero). Switching back to your regular set would put you right back at 0 energy (ignoring natural regen).

You want to already be on your low set before your energy gets to zero, then you swap to a high set to cast a spell. After you cast, switch back to your low set, which will put you technically below zero energy, but the advantage is that your energy will continue to naturally regen and no more energy can be stolen from you until it passes above 0 again.

dilan155 · Sep 27, 2008, 12:35 AM // 00:35

at ^ ya thats what i meant, thanks for clearing that up.

HawkofStorms · Sep 27, 2008, 01:13 AM // 01:13

Well, e-denial builds are really not that popular right now in the meta.
Also, the other big use for these with ether prodigy for eles has been knixed since like 2006 (ohh that brings me back).

While negitive energy sets are a nice thing to have just in case you run into certain builds, don't worry about it TOO much.

moko · Sep 27, 2008, 12:07 PM // 12:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

Well, e-denial builds are really not that popular right now in the meta.
Also, the other big use for these with ether prodigy for eles has been knixed since like 2006 (ohh that brings me back).

While negitive energy sets are a nice thing to have just in case you run into certain builds, don't worry about it TOO much.

dual debshots?

HawkofStorms · Sep 27, 2008, 04:05 PM // 16:05

Like I said, against "certain builds"

shoogi · Oct 06, 2008, 01:28 PM // 13:28

It doesn't matter if e-deny is popular or not, killing you is popular, and you should always make sure you die on your negative set, therefore you should have a negative set.

If you want an explanation- you have X energy with no weapons. Lets say that with your normal set you have X+10 energy, and with your negative set you have X-5 energy. You die, you get ressed with a sig, which gives you 25% of your energy*. If you die on your normal set you get 0.25 * (X+10) energy, which is 0.25X + 2.5. If you die on your negative set you get 0.25 * (X-5) energy, which is 0.25X - 1.25. Now, assuming you died on your negative set, you switch back to your normal set (which gives 15 more energy than the negative set) and you get 0.25X - 1.25 + 15 = 0.25X + 13.75 energy, 12.25 more than you would have had if you died on your normal set in the first place. Get it?

*I'm not taking DP in the equation since I'm lazy, but it doesn't make much difference.