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IMMORTAlMITCH · Jan 23, 2008, 03:36 PM // 15:36

Patient spirit is good vs migraine mesmers, that's about it ;o

It's not terrible, just inferior to other skills.

TheHaxor · Jan 23, 2008, 08:26 PM // 20:26

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Originally Posted by Captain Robo

RoF is ubiquitous; I can't think of a single good monk build that has ever left this skill behind (and no, do not try to find one). It is the gold standard of monking.

Its no wonder why anything you compare to it is going to look like strained ass.

which was my entire point =>

Captain Robo · Jan 23, 2008, 08:31 PM // 20:31

I forget why I quoted your post, sorry about that. I'm not really fully awake usually until noon.

Neo-LD · Jan 23, 2008, 11:55 PM // 23:55

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Originally Posted by Captain Robo

RoF is ubiquitous; I can't think of a single good monk build that has ever left this skill behind (and no, do not try to find one). It is the gold standard of monking.

Its no wonder why anything you compare to it is going to look like strained ass.

Stop the hero worship, RoF hasnt been that good since the Boon Prot era. RoF is the least powerful, least efficient spell on any monk's bar, one that every monk should strive to cast as little as possible in any given match. It is anything but the so called "gold standard of monking."

The only reason its still used because of its one saving grace: its speed. It can buy time to cast an actually powerful spell you normally wouldnt have time for. It can save those who otherwise cant be saved. Other than that, its trash, and as long as you dont find yourself surprised by a spike you didnt see, you shouldnt need or want to cast RoF.

That said, Patient Spirit is actually pretty good now. Its energy/recharge/cast specs naturally lend it to comparison with RoF, and it can sometimes fill the same roles, but it really is a completely different spell that lends itself to completely different usages.

TheOneMephisto · Jan 24, 2008, 12:01 AM // 00:01

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Originally Posted by Neo-LD

Stop the hero worship, RoF hasnt been that good since the Boon Prot era. RoF is the least powerful, least efficient spell on any monk's bar, one that every monk should strive to cast as little as possible in any given match. It is anything but the so called "gold standard of monking."

The only reason its still used because of its one saving grace: its speed. It can buy time to cast an actually powerful spell you normally wouldnt have time for. It can save those who otherwise cant be saved. Other than that, its trash, and as long as you dont find yourself surprised by a spike you didnt see, you shouldnt need or want to cast RoF.

QFT. RoF is the jack-of-all-trades skill on your bar, the skill that is mediocre at a bunch of roles but has the low recharge/cast time to be available for those roles almost all the time, fulfilling them when your other, better skills aren't usable.

Captain Robo · Jan 24, 2008, 12:30 AM // 00:30

I hold it in a bit higher esteem than most, but you're right about it being jack of all trades.

Spikes are still common enough to warrant its [RoF's] use, so it will not be going anywhere until any kind of spiking dies down as well.

see what I did there?

RhanoctJocosa · Jan 24, 2008, 12:32 AM // 00:32

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Originally Posted by JR

Your target could have died in 3 seconds.

This sums it up.

IMMORTAlMITCH · Jan 24, 2008, 09:37 AM // 09:37

The main purpose of rof/patient spirit on my bar would be to break diversion.

Tamuril elansar · Jan 24, 2008, 02:35 PM // 14:35

any monk build needs RoF to be good.

The Way Out · Jan 24, 2008, 02:58 PM // 14:58

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Originally Posted by Neo-LD

Stop the hero worship, RoF hasnt been that good since the Boon Prot era. RoF is the least powerful, least efficient spell on any monk's bar, one that every monk should strive to cast as little as possible in any given match. It is anything but the so called "gold standard of monking."

The only reason its still used because of its one saving grace: its speed. It can buy time to cast an actually powerful spell you normally wouldnt have time for. It can save those who otherwise cant be saved. Other than that, its trash, and as long as you dont find yourself surprised by a spike you didnt see, you shouldnt need or want to cast RoF.

That said, Patient Spirit is actually pretty good now. Its energy/recharge/cast specs naturally lend it to comparison with RoF, and it can sometimes fill the same roles, but it really is a completely different spell that lends itself to completely different usages.

lol... I agree with this, except, I play a monk. Nothing a monk casts stops a spike faster than RoF. Point blank. Unfortunately, it doesn't last long, so RoF ALWAYS has to be followed by WoH or another massive heal spell. RoF never heals they way we want it to.

xx hells paladin xx · Jan 24, 2008, 03:13 PM // 15:13

A good spike is not gonna be stopped my rof

The Way Out · Jan 24, 2008, 03:17 PM // 15:17

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Originally Posted by xx hells paladin xx

A good spike is not gonna be stopped my rof

A good spike is halted completely by RoF (fact)... however, RoF is not enough and needs to be followed by a massive healing spell. Nothing else works as fast and as good at stopping spikes then RoF. It is absolutely mediocre and I don't cast it that often in battles... but I do cast it... and it doesn't leave my bar because it is needed.

xx hells paladin xx · Jan 24, 2008, 03:20 PM // 15:20

if rof could stop a spike then infusing rspike should b easy but its not

The Way Out · Jan 24, 2008, 03:23 PM // 15:23

Is RoF on your skill bar? It is on mine. If it is on your skill bar, when do you use it? I use it during spikes. I normally cast something along the lines of RoF, WoH, and Guardian. I win a lot. My experience is that RoF is a good way to delay spikes.

xx hells paladin xx · Jan 24, 2008, 03:33 PM // 15:33

i dont run rof in my woh HA bar

Neo-LD · Jan 24, 2008, 04:32 PM // 16:32

RoFing a spike in GvG is pretty much like throwing a bucket of water at an inferno with the idea of buying time for the fire department to show up. Its much more effective and efficient to save spikes with a hard prot (Prot Spirit or Spirit Bond) followed by a power heal (Word of Healing or Restore Condition). Skip RoF entirely.

The Way Out · Jan 24, 2008, 04:36 PM // 16:36

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Originally Posted by Neo-LD

RoFing a spike in GvG is pretty much like throwing a bucket of water at an inferno with the idea of buying time for the fire department to show up. Its much more effective and efficient to save spikes with a hard prot (Prot Spirit or Spirit Bond) followed by a power heal (Word of Healing or Restore Condition). Skip RoF entirely.

prot spirit is great if you see the spike coming. Once the spike is there, prot spirit alone sucks (especially if the person is hexed). That feels like throwing water at the sun. prot plus sprit bond is great, if you can get them both off. If... you can get them both off.

JR · Jan 24, 2008, 05:25 PM // 17:25

If a warrior is just going to unload on someone solo, then RoF -> Mend/Gift is far more efficient than wasting a big prot on a few hits. The difference is what people here define as a spike.

RoF isn't amazing by any means, but it is well worth it's place on almost any monk bar. It has been a staple monk skill for so long for a good reason.

Now Patient Spirit... Someone has already made the strongest point against it: If you are running a Prot bar then Gift is a strictly better option that serves the same purpose, and if you are running a Heal bar then WoH is better. It is nothing but a straight red bars skill with little utility, and you don't even get most of the benefit out of the casting time due to the delay.

It also has big problems with overhealing, unless you have amazingly well coordinated monks. You see somoene needing a top-up and you put Patient Spirit on them, and in the 3 seconds untill it triggers your partner monk needs to somehow know not to heal that target aswell.

It's not a terrible skill, but it just isn't worth a spot on any monk bar.

The Way Out · Jan 24, 2008, 06:48 PM // 18:48

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Originally Posted by JR

If a warrior is just going to unload on someone solo, then RoF -> Mend/Gift is far more efficient than wasting a big prot on a few hits. The difference is what people here define as a spike.

RoF isn't amazing by any means, but it is well worth it's place on almost any monk bar. It has been a staple monk skill for so long for a good reason.

Now Patient Spirit... Someone has already made the strongest point against it: If you are running a Prot bar then Gift is a strictly better option that serves the same purpose, and if you are running a Heal bar then WoH is better. It is nothing but a straight red bars skill with little utility, and you don't even get most of the benefit out of the casting time due to the delay.

It also has big problems with overhealing, unless you have amazingly well coordinated monks. You see somoene needing a top-up and you put Patient Spirit on them, and in the 3 seconds untill it triggers your partner monk needs to somehow know not to heal that target aswell.

It's not a terrible skill, but it just isn't worth a spot on any monk bar.

Couldn't have said it better. Well put.

Neo-LD · Jan 24, 2008, 07:42 PM // 19:42

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Originally Posted by JR

If a warrior is just going to unload on someone solo, then RoF -> Mend/Gift is far more efficient than wasting a big prot on a few hits. The difference is what people here define as a spike.

A warrior unloading adrenaline isnt a spike, its just him being a warrior. And while it is true that if he isnt getting any damage assist, RoF+Word is better than PS+Word, Guardian+Word is better than either of them in that situation, so I dont see your point.

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RoF isn't amazing by any means, but it is well worth it's place on almost any monk bar. It has been a staple monk skill for so long for a good reason. (namely that its fast)

Right, thats what I said.

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Patient Spirit ... is nothing but a straight red bars skill with little utility

Then I presume you would agree that RoF is nothing but a panic-button skill for when you screw up your preprots? Either way, the quoted statement above is false.