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Lyle2000 · Oct 06, 2008, 04:38 PM // 16:38

I have noticed that almost all monk builds have holy veil. It does look very useful but I am not sure how to use it.

Who and how many people to be veiled? I don't want to loose 1 energy regen on a useless protection.

Molock · Oct 06, 2008, 04:54 PM // 16:54

Pre cast it and be selective on who you use it on. If you have it pre-cast on your warrior and he gets hexed with Life Siphon don't bother ending Veil (which would remove the hex) instead wait for him to get hit with empathy or reckless. Keep it on yourself when you are up against enemy mesmers/necromancers because not only will it allow you to remove diversion/shame/backfire/soul bind without pwning yourself but it will make the rangers job of d-shot'ing those hexes overly easy.

Just don't maintain it on several people when its really not needed because as you stated, that would be wasted regen on useless protection.

Feel free to ask for more clarifications, not sure if I answered your question.

Guan Aco · Oct 06, 2008, 04:58 PM // 16:58

It's often used by the Mo itself basically because enemy hexers are by far a threat to Monks. Of course you've the opportunity to veil other party members during the battle but it isn't really an advantage for the Mo to maintain the skill during the whole game. Just cast it on an hexed party-member and instantly disable the skill again due to the following effect 'When Holy Veil ends, one Hex is removed from target ally'.

Pre-veiling is more or less the term while using Holy Veil before you engage any enemies. You'll have the capability to instant remove any hex of your desired target as well as of yourself.
And in matter of fact there are a few other advantages about the usage of the skill as well but you'll notice that yourself.

Snow Bunny · Oct 06, 2008, 06:24 PM // 18:24

If you're a battlelion you can maintain veils on your frontline and other monk.

Then cry when your energy is dead.

dilan155 · Oct 06, 2008, 07:36 PM // 19:36

its best to prevail if your opponents have a mesmer or a necro, also its best to use it on your front liner. its best not to maintain it on more than 2 people.

Luminarus · Oct 07, 2008, 04:57 AM // 04:57

Use on urself if you dont trust ur interupts to catch mesmer/necro shutdowns, use on melee to stop bad hexes (empathy, spiteful spirit, insid parasite etc). When this isnt a prevalent issue, use as a general hex removal.

lutz · Oct 07, 2008, 06:29 AM // 06:29

Use it before battle on things that have potential to be hurt hard by hexes. Typically, this means frontline (warriors, dervishes, etc.) and backline (monks). This also pretty much allows you to remove two hexes at once, dropping the veil, recasting it, and dropping it again.

huntingtonm · Oct 07, 2008, 07:04 AM // 07:04

Veil also beats the first strike effect of mesmer and necro hexes in combat. If i am monking i will try and start with it on 3 team members and hold off casting (other then heal sig) till i see the hexes landing then rip them off all members, bar me, this can quickly turn a battle on unexpecting opponent's.

Of course on the flip side I've often been up against crafy (or slow?) mesmers and necs who dont cast until the battle is fully engaged, then i suffer a nasty early energy shortage

One thing also to be aware pre-veils can easily be ripped/stripped off thereby negating their usefullness.

swordfisher · Oct 07, 2008, 10:29 AM // 10:29

If I have a semi competent ranger on my team I will try to maintain veils as long as I can, as the disruption from the ranger far outclasses a single removal. Also, I prefer to veil a ranger over a warrior, if I must choose; this was especially important when reckless haste was common in TA, but still useful against faintheartedness today.

Long story short, the real power of holy veil is in the disruption it enables.

Xeng Suey · Oct 17, 2008, 08:59 AM // 08:59

From my monk experience, and yeah... almost 2 years have passed since i start playing GW, i would say the Holy Veil can be used diferently acording your PvP scenario:

GvG - u should use veil on your self and in one of you frontliners to prevent him to be snared/blurred and to prevent you to be Diversioned/Shamed. Dont need to maintain veil on yourself or frontliners if ur facing a Bspike or some sort of spike team

HA - In HA, usually, u use more the Holy Veil if ur playing prot monk since many of the teamleaders ask u to take Spotless mind if your playing the Heal monk position. Being so, as a prot monk u should use Holy Veil on your heal monk and on your self. Preveil the frontline if needed (u will be able to maintain energy, since channel tanking is godly). Remember you wont need to pre-veil yourself or your heal monk if the oposing team dont have a mesmer. More, you will have to use pre-veil tactic on Relic map or if your playing relic run in Halls.

RA/TA - Pre-veil yourself and your frontliner (if u have him). Be aware that many times there are necros or mesmers whit enchantment removal. This is logically true in the other PvP areas, but can be quite frustrating in RA/TA because mesmer or necro (if hes good enough) will "sit" the enchant removals on you.

Other things to remember:

- In RA/TA somtimes u have some E/W or Rt/A that pay mainly a frontline role. So u must veil them too if u can.

- Pay attention to the oposing team general build, so u can predict when and on who you will need to use veil.

- Enchantment removals can be your worse nightmare, so if you having problems whith it during a match, pls comunicate it to you team so they can do something about it.

I think its all for now, but i can be missing something :P
I'll edit if i remember something more that need to be said.

Gl Have fun

keli · Oct 17, 2008, 01:55 PM // 13:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xeng Suey

From my monk experience, and yeah... almost 2 years have passed since i start playing GW, i would say the Holy Veil can be used diferently acording your PvP scenario:

GvG - u should use veil on your self and in one of you frontliners to prevent him to be snared/blurred and to prevent you to be Diversioned/Shamed. Dont need to maintain veil on yourself or frontliners if ur facing a Bspike or some sort of spike team

HA - In HA, usually, u use more the Holy Veil if ur playing prot monk since many of the teamleaders ask u to take Spotless mind if your playing the Heal monk position. Being so, as a prot monk u should use Holy Veil on your heal monk and on your self. Preveil the frontline if needed (u will be able to maintain energy, since channel tanking is godly). Remember you wont need to pre-veil yourself or your heal monk if the oposing team dont have a mesmer. More, you will have to use pre-veil tactic on Relic map or if your playing relic run in Halls.

RA/TA - Pre-veil yourself and your frontliner (if u have him). Be aware that many times there are necros or mesmers whit enchantment removal. This is logically true in the other PvP areas, but can be quite frustrating in RA/TA because mesmer or necro (if hes good enough) will "sit" the enchant removals on you.

Other things to remember:

- In RA/TA somtimes u have some E/W or Rt/A that pay mainly a frontline role. So u must veil them too if u can.

- Pay attention to the oposing team general build, so u can predict when and on who you will need to use veil.

- Enchantment removals can be your worse nightmare, so if you having problems whith it during a match, pls comunicate it to you team so they can do something about it.

I think its all for now, but i can be missing something :P
I'll edit if i remember something more that need to be said.

Gl Have fun

i want to see how you maintain 2 holy veils through 10+ minutes

Turbobusa · Oct 17, 2008, 02:30 PM // 14:30

Use a staff to cast it to have 20%chance to have it recharge 50% faster.
That plus bla bla pre veil bla bla choose target

Stevonio · Oct 18, 2008, 01:20 AM // 01:20

Put it on your frontliners 90% of the time, and if you really have to, veil yourself or your monk partner. The secret is watching the midline. When you see the snare casting slower than before, get ready to remove your veil. All hexes should disappear within a 0.5 second - 1 second timeframe. After removing, immediately reapply the hex.

I say put it on the frontline 90% of the time because they are the ones that are loosening up the pressure. By killing, you will have to worry less about healing, and removing stuff.

Sierraa · Oct 21, 2008, 03:55 AM // 03:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by keli

i want to see how you maintain 2 holy veils through 10+ minutes

Dont spam and effectively prot and it isn't that hard. Having a decent mindline who actually does their job, or warriors that relieve some pressure makes is 10x easier too. ;P

I forget I'm holding veils in gvg all the time, I keep one on myself, and generally a frontliner + someone who is being spammed with diversion/shame.

lutz · Oct 21, 2008, 07:43 AM // 07:43

Nobody runs domination mesmers anymore, so usually you only need to keep something up on your frontline. Even if the other team has a domination mesmer, your ranger or mesmer should keep it shut down effectively.

PyrAnkh · Oct 21, 2008, 08:31 AM // 08:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xeng Suey

Dont need to maintain veil on yourself or frontliners if ur facing a Bspike

[wail of doom]

LifesRestorer · Oct 21, 2008, 01:32 PM // 13:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by PyrAnkh

[wail of doom]

i think he was referring to N/A Bspam

urania · Oct 21, 2008, 08:48 PM // 20:48

they use wail too....

Div · Oct 22, 2008, 06:44 AM // 06:44

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Originally Posted by Alexander Burn Victim

Dont spam and effectively prot and it isn't that hard. Having a decent mindline who actually does their job, or warriors that relieve some pressure makes is 10x easier too. ;P

I forget I'm holding veils in gvg all the time, I keep one on myself, and generally a frontliner + someone who is being spammed with diversion/shame.

Holding two veils for an entire 10 minute duration is just dumb. This basically means the other team is so terrible at pressure output that you can "prot effectively" and get away with it on just 2 pips of regen. Any good team (or if your midline isn't carrying the backline) won't allow you to do that for extended periods. Obviously, in pushes and retreats (or when your warriors are constantly bitching about water snares), you'd want to take that energy hit so that you can wipe them/score kills or retreat effectively, but you certainly won't be able to hold veils for that long in an evenly matched game.

Forgetting that you're holding veils can be quite common, but it's a terrible thing to do. If a person is not being targeted with hexes, every second a monk spends maintaining it results in .33 less energy gained. It adds up. Holding 2 veils over 10 minutes (600 seconds) is 400 energy (plus the same costs of recasting veils to remove hexes). The question is, are those veils worth the 400 energy? If you're doing it for 10 minutes, I'd say no, but I don't play anymore, so take whatever advice I have with a grain of salt. Maybe everyone plays heavy hex now?

Xeng Suey · Oct 27, 2008, 12:25 PM // 12:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by keli

i want to see how you maintain 2 holy veils through 10+ minutes

Its all about comon sense.

But tanks for pointing that out, doing so i can explain it better to the retarded ones:

Maintaining holy veil for 10 minutes its not viable because always happens one of the folowing situations:

Situation 1. The monk get hexed (and he will remove veil, and keeping removing when hes hexed);

Situation 2. The melle get his ass hexed and the monk, in conjuction whith his partner, need to keep removing hexes on him.

Situation 3. The monk and the warrior got hexed, and in this case the monk needs to keep removing important hexes (i'm suposing u know what important hexes are, so i'm not pointing those out for now).

Obviously, suposing u are playing monk, u wont maintain veil on yourself and on your melle if your facing a situation that not justifies it: blood spam builds, IWAY, etc.

I never saw wail of doom in blood spike builds. however if they have it, ask ur prot monk to veil you, and use ur bainmass. it helps

~gl hf ~

EDIT: Obviously ur not alone in your team. Midliners exist, sometimes they have interrupts. calls for them if u fell u being outpressured whith hexes and/or conditions, comunicate whith ur team, say whats wrong and dnt close urself in silence.