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lyra_song · Sep 25, 2006, 05:45 PM // 17:45

While i agree about the tactics, i dont agree that only one side uses it or another.

Ive seen both sides do everything frankly.

Alleji · Sep 25, 2006, 05:56 PM // 17:56

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

While i agree about the tactics, i dont agree that only one side uses it or another.

Ive seen both sides do everything frankly.

I don't think either of the sides consciously chooses to use a tactic. Other than an organized 4-man group I see once in a while, the extent of tactics is somebody spamming "OMG CAP CAP CAP" in team chat.

Ristaron · Sep 25, 2006, 08:35 PM // 20:35

I just use a build that enables me to cap solo, and take the enemy points furthest from the enemy mob. If I have help, it goes a little faster, but I can do it solo.

Of course, there's always gonna wind up being a duo/trio of roaming touchers who will eventually catch on and start following me around the map. Any other build could handle them easily, but not the one I have that's based and built for capping.

This is why I stopped playing AvA.

Wilhelm Roentgen · Sep 25, 2006, 10:08 PM // 22:08

In my experience in AB, I find that the luxons mob WAAAAAY more than the kurzicks, especially on etnaran keys. I find that kurzicks most always win when they split into 3 groups of 4 who just run around and cap, and only fight when neccessary. So many groups fall into the trap of trying to defend a recently captured point when there are 3 or 4 open points that are up for grabs.

I usually play in a 4 man touch team (boo hoo, counter it you whiners), as a cripshot with 3 touchies, or with a 4 man KD hammer/plague signet team.

explodemyheart · Sep 25, 2006, 10:20 PM // 22:20

It's funny that people claim Kurzicks almost never mob. In almost all of the battles I've gone into today, the Kurzicks were mobbing. They mob just as frequently as the Luxons do and anybody who says differently is lying or is biased and conveniently ignores it.

I have no bias, I don't really care which side I'm fighting on. My guild went from Luxon to Kurzick and back to Luxon, just so we could ally with a friend's guild. Both sides fight dirty equally on an equally regular basis.

bam23 · Sep 25, 2006, 11:18 PM // 23:18

There isn't a strategy specific for either side, I've seen both teams mob or cap with their fair share of idiots.

I don't know where you guys are getting this info from o.O

Esprit · Sep 25, 2006, 11:31 PM // 23:31

Why do people think that 'Kurzicks' and 'Luxons' are terms that differentiate playing styles? It's not like you grew up as a Kurzick or Luxon. Players with the same tactics, same mentalities, play on both sides.

Everyone caps and mobs, it all depends on what map you play, and it is very situational.

Sure, holding the res shrine(s) may not win you the battle, but it definately is a major tactical advantage and allows for better mobility. Sometimes whoever holds the res shrine makes or breaks the game.

Riotgear · Sep 26, 2006, 02:48 AM // 02:48

This side labelling is ridiculous. They both do the same RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing thing. Sometimes one side's doing really good, sometimes it's flooded with idiots. Sometimes they mob, sometimes they split up and cap. Most of the time they both mob and fight each other wasting time until the side with fewer shrines bleeds to death. There is no continuity even close to "Kurzicks are the masters of mob!"

A good cap group can almost counter an entire enemy team of mob retards by itself, because a mob can only cap one point at a time. It's when people waste their time trying to fight the mob on the rez shrine when they've only got 2 or 3 shrines actually capped that mobbing works. In other words, it's working because as dumb as it is, the opposition is even dumber.

Ken Dei · Sep 26, 2006, 04:25 AM // 04:25

Wow, never thought everyone would get so worked up. I wasn't picking on either side for their tactics. I was just illustrating the tactics the majority of teams encountered from either side.

Now of course there will be people who say "Oh well I saw one side using the opposite tactics, SO YOU MUST BE WRONG! STFU NOOBLET!" *Idiotic self congratulatory pat on the back.*

It's a given fact there's alway exceptions to every rule. I never once stated that Luxons ONLY attempt capping or Kurzicks ONLY attempt mobbing.

What about people who play both sides, they'll pick up multiple variations on either set. Those are the "good tacticians" I spoke of.

As for "hardcore" followers of either side, actually, no, they don't have all the same mental setup, they think different. That was my point, most hardcore Luxons prefer to try and use smaller groups for capping, and kurzicks prefer to try and use organized mob forces.

On top of that I never gave any mention as to the effectiveness with which particular teams actually accomplish their goal. In fact I illustrated why many teams have a hard time implementing their enemies tactics from a psychological stand point.

Instead of being anal little three year olds who feel it's more important to assert some misguided authority, try reading the whole post in context, paying attention to situational qualifiers which I added to avoid this crap, and actually try and friggin learning something. That was the entire point of the thread. So that the people on both sides start fighting more with their brains.

Take some advice from Sun Tzu.

-If you know your enemy, and know yourself, you need not fear the outcome of a hundred battles.

Zui · Sep 26, 2006, 04:30 AM // 04:30

There's a difference between you and Sun Tzu, you see, Sun Tzu actually knew what he was talking about...

Riotgear · Sep 26, 2006, 06:52 AM // 06:52

No, neither side has a "dominant" mentality, I side-hop constantly and I can't say I've ever seen anything close to one side mobbing more than the other. Maybe during a particular time of day, but not consistently for anything more than an hour and a half. The only thing close to consistency is that guild premades almost never mob.

Sun Tsu references are apparently a great way to sound like a strategic genius, but I prefer just noting what people are actually doing and exploiting it.

torquemada · Sep 26, 2006, 07:56 AM // 07:56

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Originally Posted by Ken Dei

..... SO YOU MUST BE WRONG! STFU NOOBLET!.....

QFT, mr Ian Boyd.

Saborath Gilgalad · Sep 27, 2006, 04:35 AM // 04:35

I have notived that Kurizicks do like to mob, thought the luxons do it to. The difference is Kurizicks win when they mob, and Luxons just plainly suck when they do it. Because the kurzicks seem to mob more the luxon teams I've been in tend to avoid a front on fight because there outnumbered 3 to 1, so instend they just go around the map in circles caping and picking of stragglers.
From a person who used to primarly play for the luxons I got used to their stategy of 3, 4-man teams. And when I went over to start playing for the kurzicks it took me awhile to get used to not spliting up to cap.
However these differences in tacits aren't universal, Luxon teams do mob, and kurzick teams do spilt and cap. Though it does seem to happen more than not.

some guy · Sep 29, 2006, 08:15 AM // 08:15

From what I have seen, Kurzicks only knows how to mob. Mobs are easy to defeat also, for example, Kurzick mob is rushing west, stay in your base and use the teleporter to head east and cap there, since all of the Kurzicks are busy rushing the west, the east is undefended. Unfortunately, most Luxon teams rather fight to the death than flank and cap.

lapsus · Sep 30, 2006, 12:24 AM // 00:24

YAY pointless courageous jestures!!!! I think the mob vs cap thing is really a luxon going "cap the res shrine" and a kurz going "hey guys lets cap the res shrine." The kurz brings his team and a few others while the luxon gets maybe 2 more people to help. A few Kurz die and then more come to reinforce, that makes the mob. The luxons either throw themselves at this mob to stop it, which they smetimes do, or they avoid it and cap everything in its wake, they do this sometimes pretty well.

Eroth · Sep 30, 2006, 05:28 AM // 05:28

I like the post. You've represented the tactics of both sides. Now I am Also like Alleji. Most of my AB builds are solo. U can't count on the human brain, people will always retain some of what I call "Pre-Searing Noobness Syndrome" or PSNS for short. My builds are either, from the kurz mobs (b/c most of them can be altered a little, and become GREAT solo spike builds) or from my mind. I mix the spike power of the Kurzicks and throw insome Luxon Caution skills. and Remember: If they whooped your ass, steal the build, change it a little and whoop them back.

ps
I am a Luxon so if I seem unfair to someone blame the Npcs.

DeathandtheHealing · Sep 30, 2006, 06:28 PM // 18:28

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Originally Posted by some guy

From what I have seen, Kurzicks only knows how to mob. Mobs are easy to defeat also, for example, Kurzick mob is rushing west, stay in your base and use the teleporter to head east and cap there, since all of the Kurzicks are busy rushing the west, the east is undefended. Unfortunately, most Luxon teams rather fight to the death than flank and cap.

same goes for both sides!

Carth` · Oct 01, 2006, 04:17 PM // 16:17

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Originally Posted by Ken Dei

It's a given fact there's alway exceptions to every rule.

In this case, there is no rule, just some propaganda that you made up.

Seriously, unless you've extensively played as both Luxon and Kurzick in ABs, you're in no position to say what one side does more than the other. When I played on the Luxon side, there were some groups that said "cap cap cap", some that said "where the hell is everybody", some that said "all the Kurzicks know how to do is mob". Then when I played on the Kurzick side people said exactly the same things, word for word.

I can't believe how some people have been blinded by the invisible wall the game made for them. Before Factions we were all the same players, and then suddenly you all think you were born a Kurzick/Luxon, and the Luxon/Kurzick scum use underhand tactics and must die.

The fact of ABs is, you don't choose your team. You choose 3 players, and get 8 others who could be brilliant or could be crap.

I've been in a team that mobs (sometimes you get caught up in it) and we win easily because we stampede over the enemy who try to fight us.

I've been in a team that tries to cap, and we win easily because while the enemy is mobbing, we're capping all their shrines.

I've been in a team that tries to mob, and fails miserably because nobody is capping, while the enemy is taking all our shrines. The mob doesn't work once you lose your shrines because you're pushed back into your base. It ceases being a mob, and turns into base defence, trying to get one shrine back.

I've been in a team that tries to cap, but fails miserably because the enemy had more people capping while the rest of our team tried to mob, but without enough players.

It all depends on the map you play on, the players on your team, the players on the other team, etc.

Ken Dei, you talk crap. There is no mental setup drilled into Luxons from birth to use a smaller team. Don't make stuff up. You're obviously a Luxon who is sore from losing to Kurzicks mobbing.

Darq · Oct 03, 2006, 02:13 PM // 14:13

I've seen mobbing on both sides, perhaps Kurzicks a little more, the thing is, after they get rolling in the mob, you may as well not even try to stop them. Another thing I've noticed, is that a mob seems to start when the post directly outside the main base for either side is taken, everybody who rezzes inside runs out and starts fighting, after the base is re-capped, everybody sticks together because it seems safer. I hate the whole Cap-and-Run mentality of some of my Luxon allies, and yes, we do do it, often after capping a post we'll be attacked, I'll stand and fight, we have the clear advantage with the NPCs around us, but soon I'll see a warrior close on me, followed by an assassin, then a Firestorm, I look around expecting a little support, but guess what, the rest of my team has buggered off somewhere, I die, and we lose the shrine. Anyway, I'd say both sides have some pretty annoying habits, and that we both have our fair share of morons.

Flashy · Oct 03, 2006, 02:32 PM // 14:32

There is no standard tactic

The tactic is more based on how the enemies play... IF I play I'll watch the other team... If they Mobbing up in the middle I wil lalert any1 of the team in team chat... sending a wave on enemies constant to try and keep them at 1 spot...

If both teams start with a 4 - 4 - 4 split then it all depends on who got the best party... When the enemy doesn't have a Monk concentrate fire to take them down fast... if they have a Monk then pressure the other players while 1 player sticks to the Monk...

There is no certain tactic... it all depends what you are playing...

Another thing... 80% is Kurzick and 20% is Luxon... No wonder Kurzicks win so much cause they have a higher chance of ending up with a good party/players