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Jatt · Nov 08, 2008, 10:05 AM // 10:05

Running an Endurance axe warrior requires the player to hit his buttons more often. Therefore it requires that much more skill to play.

It's quite simple really, if you are forced to hit more buttons you have to think faster and more reactively. Any noob can charge 8 adren every 30 seconds and go twee twooo won! with rend and instagib anyone. The skill in playing the WE warrior is that you have to use skillfull positioning and spike play to say three two won TWICE OR THREE TIMES AS MUCH.

conclusion: Warriors endurance axe is 2.5x more skillfull and fun and better for the game than Conjure axe

Seraphim of Chaos · Nov 08, 2008, 11:31 AM // 11:31

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Originally Posted by Axel Zinfandel

Fixed!~~~~~~

But not really, considering no one does that.

Whammo · Nov 09, 2008, 01:15 AM // 01:15

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Originally Posted by AKB48

WE takes up the slot of an elite, so there shouldn't be too much of a overpower for warriors.......and spamming PA really isn't THAT effective.

Spamming PA and PS really IS that effective, those warriors pump out a lot more damage than they should. Both those skills are really powerfull but were kept in check because warrior's couldn't afford to use them reguarly.
Since quite a few skills are kept in check that way giving warriors inf. energy is incredibly stupid.

And don't get your hopes up on this getting nerfed any time soon, izzy thought blood spike wasn't a problem WITHOUT the resent skill changes

. And that is quite a depressing though really.

Mr Pink57 · Nov 09, 2008, 02:34 AM // 02:34

Has anyone tried conjure on a WE bar?

Also the bar to me is rather awkward after playing Shock Axe for so long and waiting to build adren. My guess is the activation time for PS will be increased (like mystic and enermites) and Power Attack will do lower dmg (like Power Shot).

The bar has become pretty norm in most gvg's I have watched or played in but that's just the same as shock axe has for so many years. With things like a water mes, water eles, and weapon of shadow rits this bar has certainly helped wars pump out spikes more often.

I guess the big bust to the new WE bar is that is does not really require a secondary profession like the conjure bar (can easily run rush over dash).

And the fun I have found out of it (since I only hammer war in pvp now) is pve play using a big scythe spamming.

pink

the_deSKtructor · Nov 09, 2008, 06:55 AM // 06:55

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Originally Posted by Mr Pink57

Has anyone tried conjure on a WE bar?

Also the bar to me is rather awkward after playing Shock Axe for so long and waiting to build adren. My guess is the activation time for PS will be increased (like mystic and enermites) and Power Attack will do lower dmg (like Power Shot).

The bar has become pretty norm in most gvg's I have watched or played in but that's just the same as shock axe has for so many years. With things like a water mes, water eles, and weapon of shadow rits this bar has certainly helped wars pump out spikes more often.

I guess the big bust to the new WE bar is that is does not really require a secondary profession like the conjure bar (can easily run rush over dash).

And the fun I have found out of it (since I only hammer war in pvp now) is pve play using a big scythe spamming.

pink

I doubt it's doable. You'd need to drop either Axe Mastery or Strength to get a decent conjure, but that means either loosing dmg from axe attacks or losing damage from power attack and protectors strike (not to mention that if you lower strength WE will not last a lot).

Massive Impulsa · Nov 09, 2008, 01:41 PM // 13:41

Probs just do like the minor bspikke nerf, just higher the recharge on some of the skills :/ ..

When it come to universality the WE is crap, exept you dont need to get adrenalline before spikking. The evis owns it in Splits.. Bstrike -> Big Domage -> 1/4 Shock -> even moar domage -> Dchop (hopefully dchop, and it usually works when the monks is at 10% hp is on their arss..)

I just find the WE to be better in 8v8 and evis in split and universality =) Still nerfing it sligthly like increasing some recharge time here and there would be good, but its not that owerpowered and its nice to see something else than juust the EVIS bar the hole time

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Altough i think kinda WE took the place to a A/D and D/Any < WE, probs fix that or the Dervish or crit scythe might not be seen anymore =) whit the other nerfs to chilling etc

Massive

keli · Nov 09, 2008, 03:58 PM // 15:58

its fine leave it

scruffy · Nov 10, 2008, 03:04 PM // 15:04

charging adrenaline has been an integral part of playing warrior since forever

even if this bar isnt 'imba' it should still be nerfed just because it's that retarded when you look at the concept design of warriors and at how warriors are actually being played with this bar

picking and choosing who to unload adren on because it doesn't recharge every 3 seconds takes skill

spamming buttons with no consequence doesn't take skill

nerf it imo, not because it's too strong, but because its bad for the game

this build is just the tip of the iceberg of retarded shit in the game right now though

beserk · Nov 10, 2008, 03:56 PM // 15:56

Not sure what the fuss about WE is, Defy wars always own them.

Shendaar · Nov 10, 2008, 05:25 PM // 17:25

There is still a decent amount of skill required to playing the WE bar .. Or at least a good warrior will definitely do a lot more damage than an average player. Still, it is definitely easier to play than a Shock Axe and the pressure it can generate is way too high because of that.

Byron · Nov 10, 2008, 06:44 PM // 18:44

Three
Two
One

Whammo · Nov 11, 2008, 01:55 AM // 01:55

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Originally Posted by Shendaar

There is still a decent amount of skill required to playing the WE bar .. Or at least a good warrior will definitely do a lot more damage than an average player. Still, it is definitely easier to play than a Shock Axe and the pressure it can generate is way too high because of that.

This is very true, sums it all up really. And yes conjure warriors are by far worse than WE because of their huge spike potential (321 is rlly skillfull).

Symbol · Nov 11, 2008, 02:57 AM // 02:57

When was the last time we saw a viable pressure-oriented template for warriors?

Ciric · Nov 11, 2008, 05:03 AM // 05:03

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Originally Posted by Symbol

When was the last time we saw a viable pressure-oriented template for warriors?

Um, everyday? Conjure axe is just as viable for pressure as it is for spike, its the rest of your build that determines if you blow up adren in peoples faces when its charged, or if you say 3-2-1 to get kills.

More important question is when have we seen a build that doesn't say 3-2-1.. even if it is more of a pressure spike then a dedicated spike.

Seamus Finn · Nov 11, 2008, 05:09 AM // 05:09

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Originally Posted by Jatt

conclusion: Warriors endurance axe is 2.5x more skillfull and fun and better for the game than Conjure axe

And I still remember when conjure was the degenerate scrub bar that was ruining the far more skillful shock axe era. God I am getting old.

AnonTerror · Nov 11, 2008, 06:53 AM // 06:53

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Originally Posted by Symbol

die while overextended and locked in frenzy... basically be an abject failure.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Marxon Aurion · Nov 11, 2008, 03:30 PM // 15:30

From experience with a certain Warrior in my guild, I noticed that WE is really an epic pressure bar as well. Playing this shit just as 3,2,1 spike is just retarded. This certain warrior just draws hard prots everwhere when playing.

Wild Karrde · Nov 11, 2008, 04:25 PM // 16:25

If this build gets nerfed I hope Izzy doesnt nerf it like the ranger pew pew build by making every skill in the build crap.

I personally think the build is not overpowered... it does good pressure but lacks some utility.

Byron · Nov 11, 2008, 08:36 PM // 20:36

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Originally Posted by Marxon Aurion

From experience with a certain Warrior in my guild, I noticed that WE is really an epic pressure bar as well.

mmmmmmmm...

Any decent template can be "epic pressure" if you spam frenzy hard enough.

la_cabra_de_vida · Nov 11, 2008, 10:58 PM // 22:58

It should go back to being a stance, then izzy should cut both the duration and the recharge time. So...

a) it wouldnt be up all the time to let you spam power attack and prot strike.
b) you cant have WE and frenzy going at once..so you would use it to gain energy, then be able to spike in frenzy, but not be a big dps machine 24/7