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Zaiden · Oct 08, 2008, 11:05 AM // 11:05

Alright, I was wondering how to beat the new b-spike (unholy feast fest with bam bam life stealing skills spamming) since it can't be protted and since it's alot of pressure to bear. Yes, killing first is the best strat, but is there any other strats around?

-K, thx alot to whoever is answering <3

[Morkai] · Oct 08, 2008, 12:15 PM // 12:15

Don't wait around for them to come to you, push in. (Don't get the whole waiting for 5 minutes before anyone moves anyways).

They're all squishy so abuse this.

All you need to win HA is big damage.

Be strong.

Xeng Suey · Oct 08, 2008, 12:19 PM // 12:19

Against those b-spike teams i think its really important having some things things in mind:

1. Do not ball up: This is so important! Some life stealing skills have AoE so if people stay balled up their life will be sucked fast and heal monk cant do sh!t.

2. Kill their monk: Usually, nowadays, b-spike teams have a dedicaded monk. Kill him fast and they will have more problems in staying alive

3. Try to discover their caller and take him down (after the monk is down).

have fun

Killed u man · Oct 08, 2008, 01:41 PM // 13:41

There is 2 types of builds which I KNOW will beat this:

-Rspike (duuur)
-Any builds with more than 1 dedicated healer

Unlike what people say:

They CAN take down a balanced team of the same skill-level. A R10+ Trashbalanced (2 Fire eles, taint, etc) beating this is hardly any way of measuring it's true OP-ness.

But since U wanted no QQ'ing:

Nuke/Pressure them to shit. As a warrior, be in constant Frenzy/Flail (Watch out for Sig of Agony tough), as an ele, nuke the biggest ball-up's.

Tell your heal monk to try and stay back as long as he can, and simply patient + dwayna's people up.

There is NO reason for you to rage tough. This build CAN NOT be beaten by a balanced of the same, or slightly higher, skill level.

Gift3d · Oct 08, 2008, 02:46 PM // 14:46

Pressure, lots of it. Which is basically all HA is now. Beating bspike depends mosrly on your healer monk. Your monk doesn't catch spikes, shit dies, they get energy, lots of pressure taken off. Usually all it takes is an infuse/dwayna's, cause ya know, the spike goes on for like 4 entire seconds. Also just cause damage can't be protted don't let your RC fall asleep, RC bleeding = no energy from angorodon's = a little additional pressure. Has to be timed well though.

Kyp Jade · Oct 08, 2008, 03:08 PM // 15:08

This build really isnt a spike at all, its unprotable flareway (hint, that means when they target your healer it dies). In fact, teams that play this as a spike are the reason people view this as the worst of the worst trash builds. Playing builds with only 1 healer and facing a team of this that plays the build right is an auto loss on any UW style map.

Since there isnt much of this being played atm im not making a build with a second healer.

Reverend Dr · Oct 08, 2008, 08:26 PM // 20:26

If you have an AoE knockdown, Earth Shaker and Earthquake are seeing more play now, then good coordination between that and your pressure will send them quickly on the defensive and then wiping.

Zaiden · Oct 08, 2008, 11:32 PM // 23:32

Thanks alot to those who answered, so basically outpressure them because they do ;P.

Humm mate, you really hold a grudge against r spike lol.

We Dont Accept · Oct 10, 2008, 07:20 AM // 07:20

lol berek n/a spike is defeatable dont ball and as soon as teleport run around dont ball kite if you have makehaste+fallback=gg if you got snarer snare on teleport when they balled fail spike=Add aoe+charge=dead cause 7teleport=all 7 die and monk=easy
mesmer=go on monk sit if dual go on n/a caller=dead and spike n/as they cant support spikes!

II Lucky Charm II · Oct 10, 2008, 02:29 PM // 14:29

1) Don't ball ( I think I have said this phrase more than any other phrases in HA even though it should be the fundamental of PvP. People can't seem to do this right )
2) Put as much pressure on them as your team can, they will collapse fast
3) PROT DOES DO SOMETHING AGAINST THIS BUILD! Indirectly, of course. Tell your prot to spam as many enchantments as possible for Dwayna's Kiss.
4) Have the caller shut down if possible... or the monk. They can't steal enough HP to keep them up forever.
5) If you kill one person on their team, the domino effect will follow.

Kion · Oct 17, 2008, 01:51 AM // 01:51

Most bspikes you see are either going to be played by pugs who don't really have any experience with the build get wiped once and have 6 people rage. But if you run into our guild or other guilds running it. You may want to try CoFing the Unholy feast (It's possible) our guild was one of the first to actually use the build along with RaGE. After going to halls with it for the 3rd time we noticed a "R4+ Bspike glf more 4/8." Pop up lol. But another thing to think about is most of the blood spikes don't have ALL the builds. But it's actually not that hard to beat just pop a AoE down on the spot they port to apply pressure and watch them drop. But the only reason we were running bspike was because IWAY got popular again. Don't fret IWAY can beat bspike too, Just run a W/P earthshaker with signet of aggresion and for great justice to build up adren. Run up to the necro ball and earthshaker them and swarm them with the full team.

Xeng Suey · Oct 17, 2008, 08:38 AM // 08:38

[QUOTE=Kion;4304889] But the only reason we were running bspike was because IWAY got popular again. [QUOTE]

No ofense to anyone, but i lol @ this part of the previous reply.
IWAY can be beaten whit any sort of balanced team (i'v done it my self whith my friends and whith my guild). I could accept or be comprehensive if you say "I run b-spike cause I think its fun!" (imo we play GW to have fun, so if people like to play bspike let them...more people there is to pwnt! its all good :P ) but i can't accept when people say "I play the X build to defeat the Y build" cause its not reasenable since HA or GvG are played in a variety of team builds (for instance, b-spike, r-spike, balanced, IWAY, Hway, etc.) that can beat the "X build".
So please if u like to play some sort of build pls be honest :P

Sorry for the off-topic everyone

Kion · Oct 18, 2008, 08:42 PM // 20:42

[QUOTE=Xeng Suey;4305285][QUOTE=Kion;4304889] But the only reason we were running bspike was because IWAY got popular again.

Quote:

No ofense to anyone, but i lol @ this part of the previous reply.
IWAY can be beaten whit any sort of balanced team (i'v done it my self whith my friends and whith my guild). I could accept or be comprehensive if you say "I run b-spike cause I think its fun!" (imo we play GW to have fun, so if people like to play bspike let them...more people there is to pwnt! its all good :P ) but i can't accept when people say "I play the X build to defeat the Y build" cause its not reasenable since HA or GvG are played in a variety of team builds (for instance, b-spike, r-spike, balanced, IWAY, Hway, etc.) that can beat the "X build".
So please if u like to play some sort of build pls be honest :P

Sorry for the off-topic everyone

If you've ever played bspike against a IWAY you would know how quick and easy it is. Our guilds bspike killed GANKs IWAY in 1:30 or so with a flawless. Those of us with bambis made sure to rank spike starcrafts dead body, lol.
It's not that I'm saying IWAY is impossible to beat with anything else I said that because there is NO chance the new IWAY with defy pain can beat bloodspike.

I Angra I · Oct 18, 2008, 09:28 PM // 21:28

Keep up lots of pressure all the time, get in big spikes when you can to force kills. You basically just have to kill them before they kill you, there's no point in playing defensively against it.

AnonTerror · Oct 20, 2008, 01:48 AM // 01:48

This is much more bearable in HA because you have a HB and lots of big AoE damage. Seriously, hardly do I see a "balanced" team run anything less than 2 eles; plus it's the one place where you have an excuse to run shit like earthshaker/WS derv.

Ramod · Oct 23, 2008, 01:30 AM // 01:30

First off, GANK does not form iway guild groups. Starcraft might iway just because he's bored, and well, he's rank 15 so he doesn't care, but he hasn't done that since he reached rank 15. So either you killed a fake GANK group, or you killed a fake Starcraft or you killed Starcraft in an IWAY group.

I agree with all the points Lucky Charm has said to beat this new blood "spike" build. Also another thing you can do is if you have a tainter, tell him to not taint your team, but use Rotting still. This way, your RC can help with healing a bit using, obviously, RC.
This build is really not that hard to beat, it has alot less defense then the old OP Gaze spike (usually no chain aegis, not elite heal/prot skills). Therefore if you survive the first couple initial pressure "spikes", then you can easily overcome their little defense coupled with all soft targets.

Tonttu Ftw · Oct 23, 2008, 07:35 AM // 07:35

B-spike fails, Free fame

ceolstan · Nov 09, 2008, 10:23 PM // 22:23

And looks as if it's dead after the most recent update. To be honest, though, I think this is a result of its use in GvG rather than in HA.

I'm sure it'll be back under some other variation.

Narcin · Nov 09, 2008, 10:54 PM // 22:54

build died, but anyway if people were good they would realize that sig of agony did damage, meaning yes prot actually does something other than divine favor/d-kiss fodder spam.

Trinity Fire Angel · Nov 11, 2008, 09:30 AM // 09:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ramod

First off, GANK does not form iway guild groups. Starcraft might iway just because he's bored, and well, he's rank 15 so he doesn't care, but he hasn't done that since he reached rank 15. So either you killed a fake GANK group, or you killed a fake Starcraft or you killed Starcraft in an IWAY group.

nah, i am sure it was starcraft... we ran into him playing in a IWAY group the other week too... not many other people have that emote.