Curse

LifesRestorer · Dec 21, 2008, 01:30 PM // 13:30

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

Ganking is, and always should have been, a reportable "crime", with a ban and/or "dishonerable"-like system, to prevent gankers from ganking, and having them think twice when they do so.

R U SRS? not only is it pretty much impossible to define what ganking is but some teams actually just can't help it cause they're RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing stupid.

For example, courtyard the other day, capped, got 2 points, got kicked off. some shitter smite heroway continued to attack us even though the other team had the altar. we had to fall back to our base in order to lose aggro from them and wait before they locked on to the other team again. once we pushed in, the holding team got kicked off and afterwards, just like us, the smiteway continued to attack the team that they had locked onto. because they are stupid. because they don't know better. because they didn't know they were ganking.

Killed u man · Dec 21, 2008, 04:53 PM // 16:53

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Originally Posted by LifesRestorer

R U SRS? not only is it pretty much impossible to define what ganking is but some teams actually just can't help it cause they're RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing stupid.

For example, courtyard the other day, capped, got 2 points, got kicked off. some shitter smite heroway continued to attack us even though the other team had the altar. we had to fall back to our base in order to lose aggro from them and wait before they locked on to the other team again. once we pushed in, the holding team got kicked off and afterwards, just like us, the smiteway continued to attack the team that they had locked onto. because they are stupid. because they don't know better. because they didn't know they were ganking.

Some different aspects you are forgetting:

-> Ganking is a SERIOUS HoH problem, it's not something that occures once a week, or once a day even. It's something that occures ever second HoH match.
Ganking ALONE is the reason why you can't "hold" anymore, and thus making alot of people leave, concidering "holding" is the most fun about HoH.

-> I'm talking about a /report function which will be REVIEWED by a REAL person. Only HoH matches, who gives a rat's ass about Courtyard. (Even tough I know ganks happen alot on this map, it's just not as game-breaking as in HoH itself)

-> Abuse would ALSO result in a temp dishonerable/ban. E.G.: If you randomly report a guy with your team (well, a TEAM anyways),who didn't actually do anything, YOU'LL be the ones getting punished, even more severe than "gankers" would. This would prevent abuse, as a 3-7 day temp ban, or a 1-2 week "PvP-dishonorable" will make people think twice.

-> My system is flawed aswell. As you said, as a human, you can only go by what you see happening on the screen. For all we know, they REALLY ARE just a bunch of PvE'ers who have no clue what they are doing, thinking that training blue till the end of the match will get them a win.
But lines have to be drawn. EVERY system has an upside, and a downside.
And let's compare current ones, and my one:

Current system (NO anti-gank whatsoever):

Positive:
-It's "fair", as in, anyone can gank, and get ganked

Negative:
-Possibly causing the most grief there has ever been in PvP
-Severly limiting (re-)playable of HoH, since noone wants to get ganked out of HoH time after time after time after time again
-Ricochet: You gank somone, they will gank you, and/or other people back. These people on their turn will gank out of spite, etc...

My system:

Positive:
-Should stop ANY intentional gank (NOONE that plays HA daily wants to get 'banned', or recive a PvP-wide-dishonorable for 2 weeks over a simply gank over some guy he hates)
-Brings back some of HA's integrity (Aka, the "holding" of HoH)

Negative:
-PvE'ers who don't know how to play will/could get reported/banned/dishonerable'd unrightiously.
But then again, this only happens a MAXIMUM amount of times of once a day... (Like, the ONLY time PvE'ers get to HoH is when they run a Tease-way, so that's more a question of bad skill balance, then a question of PvE'ers in HoH)
-Anet obviously needs to "hire" a guy, but I'm pretty sure tthat after the initial week, people will STOP ganking, and thus stop reporting. (Face it, NOONE wants to gank when there is a 1+ week ban/dish attached to it)

So you can choose to either satisfy pretty much the whole of the HA community, OR you can choose to satisfy PvE'ers (who don't know/care about ganking) and randomly satisfy people. (Gankers = satisfed, ganked ones = pissed off)

Once again, 6 pissed of PvE'ers (2 heroes don't count), or 50+ pissed off HA'ers on a daily basis, this is where my system shines...

shoogi · Dec 21, 2008, 06:24 PM // 18:24

@borat

1. Anet cares much more for the 6 pve'rs than for the 50 pvp'ers. And believe it or not, HA is still somehow breathing because of those 6 pve'rs groups. Kick them all and you are left with about 100 HA'ers in the entire game.

2. It's still unfair. Unintentional ganks happen all the time.

3. /report is a joke, it is in pve and will definitely be in pvp

4. You know that your suggestion will never be implemented anyway, so why bother.

5. The best solution, which actually has a slim chance of happening, is removing AB and relics from halls (terribad maps in every aspect, not only gank-wise). Keep the NEW koth, with auto-lose for teams that can't possibly win anymore. That will reduce ganking to the level of only full team ganks from the start of the match, which unfortunately happen but not as often ("first team to cap gets ganked" sort of things).

mikeydj99 · Dec 21, 2008, 08:07 PM // 20:07

good teams cant get ganked. I have played 16v8 and won. Its all in the build and not standing in AoE.

Phe Belladona · Dec 21, 2008, 08:19 PM // 20:19

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

I'm talking about a /report function which will be REVIEWED by a REAL person. Only HoH matches, who gives a rat's ass about Courtyard. (Even tough I know ganks happen alot on this map, it's just not as game-breaking as in HoH itself)

think of the poor guy who has to do it 2 relic run reviews in a row and he'll kill himself with boredom

Ka Tet · Dec 21, 2008, 09:57 PM // 21:57

Also, what happens when you hit report, and the reviewer doesn't feel that the incident was ganking. And, you get hit with dishonorable mid-hold and kicked out of halls, leaving your team 7 vs. 16. I don't think you'd be happy if you lost your prot mid-match over a difference of opinion.

Circus Midget · Dec 24, 2008, 08:31 AM // 08:31

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Originally Posted by tha walkin dude

Also, what happens when you hit report, and the reviewer doesn't feel that the incident was ganking. And, you get hit with dishonorable mid-hold and kicked out of halls, leaving your team 7 vs. 16. I don't think you'd be happy if you lost your prot mid-match over a difference of opinion.

I thought the point was that you already got kicked out of halls because you got ganked... good commitment though.

Skyros · Dec 24, 2008, 08:37 AM // 08:37

if you guys need a whole new system of control in order to control the elephantine amount of douche baggery in ha... maybe you should just step back from your keyboard and re-evaluate exactly why ganks happen.

Let me just save you 2 hrs of headaches from thinking:

People in HA are d-bags. Until this fact changes, there will always be ganks in ha and even if a system is implemented to try to control this, people will find a way to abuse the system.

Monk Gsb · Dec 24, 2008, 04:39 PM // 16:39

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Originally Posted by The Arching Healer

Ganking HA elitists is actually fun because they think GW is srs bsns. Cant believe they get mad and rage in real life because they got ganked in HoH.

lolgw

12charssssss

way to explain borat... lawls

Killed u man · Dec 24, 2008, 06:37 PM // 18:37

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Originally Posted by Monk Gsb

way to explain borat... lawls

People gank because they are jealous I'm either higher ranked, hold more, or are simple better than them, and I'M the one crying in real life?

When you try to bash me, or my ego, atleast make sure there is some logic in your reasoning.

Take it from me, as I have no reason to lie (I get enough respect from my real life friends for me not to seek it in a game, even tough I like to get credited for what I do, and can do) , I DO NOT CARE ABOUT GETTING GANKED in a "anger" way.

Yes, I get pissed of because I'm trying TO PLAY A GAME, and I CAN'T. It's not a matter of me smacking my keyboard against the wall, BUT I PAYED for a PvP game, and I CAN'T play PvP because, well... Who wants to play a game that's impossible to beat (2v1), badly designed (Cap Points, Relic Run) and stale (Fu Izzy).

It's called trying to improve the gameplay. And concidering Izzy, as fail as he is, still tries to balance the game, look at GvG. If only he would read 1 post in this sub-forum, he'dd realize that simply reverting to HoH would make HA go from "Shithole of PvP" (I don't count HB and RA, not AB in PvP), to "Fun Shithole of PvP", and who gives a RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO about balance when you're atleast having fun?

I should send a GW copy to Zero Punctuation, maybe he'll bash GW PvP balance so hard, Anet MIGHT concidering updating this dead format, concidering GW2 still is 1+ year away...

Monk Gsb · Dec 25, 2008, 01:48 AM // 01:48

you get ganked because most of the builds you have "made" have been 1 bar x8 ppl. you you count 3 2 1.

and people try and stop you from playing the game because it pisses you off ( as you have just said) and pissing you off = fun.

my logic is not just reasonable. my logic is undeniable. (just watched resi evil 1 :P)

Klem Da Aussie · Dec 25, 2008, 03:50 AM // 03:50

alls is all politics i guess u could say, if your to good ull get ganked, if people hate u ull get ganked ( its why we in eF are always getting ganked XD, hates us only SFing and everyone hates legion

), if your in for to long ull get ganked and finally some teams are just really bad or stupid so it doesnt count as ganking.

But if you know people they can help u aswell as sometimes being dicks.

Killed u man · Dec 25, 2008, 04:27 PM // 16:27

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Originally Posted by Monk Gsb

you get ganked because most of the builds you have "made" have been 1 bar x8 ppl. you you count 3 2 1.

and people try and stop you from playing the game because it pisses you off ( as you have just said) and pissing you off = fun.

my logic is not just reasonable. my logic is undeniable. (just watched resi evil 1 :P)

Yeah: Yush, Mts, and other shitwayers gank ME because I spike my rank. Makes sense... I don't even know who you are, but my best gues would some kind of monk for rspike.

Also, most builds I have made have me as a caller, aswell as a more complicated bar. If you were to actually observe me playing, you'dd see how good of a player I really am.

If I'm not snaring 2 warriors on a N/A, whilst keeping a mesmer shutdown with a dagger, whilst at the same time calling spikes, and strategy, I'm usually playing some other build at 99% efficiency.

If I'm such a bad xx"spiker", actually go observe me (Dent has mainly been holding with balanced lately, with me as Hammer Warrior) and see the strategy Dent uses. Gues what, Dent can actually DO THE MATH in cap points. We can win Relic Runs 28-23-23, not because 2 teams ganked eachother, but because we play well.

Click on the name Borat on Crazy War, and see how I solo bodyblock, without snares (Aura of Stab > Hammer) a runner for a whole minute straight on bottom of stairs.
Compare that to other people.

I know I've turned this into a "praise me" post, but just stfu and know who you're talking to. I AM by far one of the most experience people in HA, and if, instead of just randomly trashing me for a build I played for less of 20% of my fame, actually went to observe me, you could actually learn a thing or 2 about strategy, bodyblocking or plain and simple game mechanics...

shoogi · Dec 25, 2008, 10:29 PM // 22:29

wow borat you have some issues

Ramod · Dec 25, 2008, 10:49 PM // 22:49

Lololololol.

Skyros · Dec 26, 2008, 04:24 AM // 04:24

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

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not gonna lie Borat, I did obs you with [Dent]'s (still think dents a terrible guild... regardless of what they run now... they run/ran gimmicks and while you say you hate ganks... your own guild ganks too) balanced and with you on hammer. Yes you did solo b block blue's runners a lot (i dunno if it was a minute but it was enough to be funny).

You are exp. player and can make a good arguement when you arent getting hard while watching yourself play in a mirror.

BUT Im also gonna have to say that in those matches... the teams you were up against were pretty much mega-baddies. I cant say ive watched every matched you played .. but from the quite a few Halls matches i did watch, the people you beat were nothing to brag about.

Killed u man · Dec 26, 2008, 04:22 PM // 16:22

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Originally Posted by Skyros

not gonna lie Borat, I did obs you with [Dent]'s (still think dents a terrible guild... regardless of what they run now... they run/ran gimmicks and while you say you hate ganks... your own guild ganks too) balanced and with you on hammer. Yes you did solo b block blue's runners a lot (i dunno if it was a minute but it was enough to be funny).

You are exp. player and can make a good arguement when you arent getting hard while watching yourself play in a mirror.

BUT Im also gonna have to say that in those matches... the teams you were up against were pretty much mega-baddies. I cant say ive watched every matched you played .. but from the quite a few Halls matches i did watch, the people you beat were nothing to brag about.

It's not a question of me praising and raising myself, it's a question of me telling the truth.

Yes, you fight alot of shitteams in HoH, but THAT'S ALL HOH IS. And even the best teams, which I don't expect u to obs, get raped when they face dent.

Whereas [k eYs] IS probably the best guild in HoH atm, alot of other so concidering "top"-GvG players fail incredibly hard at doing simple stuff.

I was referring to Yush and Passive before, because I recently faced them, aswell as Candygirl, the latter of keYs (They have a semi monk, and a really good prot that's about it), and so on, and they TOTALLY suck.

Guild Wars is not that hard of a game. It's also REALLY EASY to understand: KEYBOARD = Clientside for moving, CLICKING = directly to server (Map).
So take a whild gues what is gonna lagg you back most of the time?
If everyone were to understand that Click-running simply nets better results because:
-You'll lagg back less often
-The "game" calculates the shortest routs, and thus fastest running times
-It's plain and simple easier

that would alrdy improve the pathetic running skills people have.

Anyways, I was just giving an example here, on how FEW people really know of GW, it's mechanics and the simply know-how of things.
It's pathetic to see that after 3 years of game, you got R12+ people running around, how don't even realize that winning cap points, is basic math equation, whereas the minutes left devided by 2 (So the 30 seconds marks), should equal, or be lower than your difference to the other team (in points), the game has already been played.

People are stupid, but it's just sad to see people can't even to something as simple as doing some plain simply math. Yes, it's not GW related, but after 3 years you'dd expect people to really know the mechanics inside and out, regardless if you've just joined HA, or been playing it for the full 3 years. (ToPK)

I have a problem with this, because it's these people that always gank us, me, because they either "think" we are ganking them, because they're plain and simple stupid, or because they're jealous. Either way, it's just downright anyoing playing against people with an IQ that probably wouldn't even be competition for that of a monkey's...

jana_the_stranger · Dec 26, 2008, 04:30 PM // 16:30

math == you learn in school

r12 == no life, so no school !

and monkeybrains are fun !

and keys best guild? freemen is the best caller thats for sure !

LifesRestorer · Dec 27, 2008, 04:45 AM // 04:45

i can't even be bothered reading anymore. just some shitter flaming borat, borat rubbing his e-peen until it grows and grows before exploding in his face

All that needs to be done to fix halls is to take out shitty AB maps and shitty relic runs. Sure ganking will still happen but it will be less prevailent

¿Evan¿ · Dec 27, 2008, 07:14 AM // 07:14

The only way I can see ganking not happen in a 3 way halls match is to have a kill-count only halls. Sure teams will feed but hopefully the better team will kill faster. Of course this limits builds like hexes and promotes spiking and mass aoe builds.I think a 4 way halls is the best option with both teams starting at 1 side with an annihilation-style match. The 2 winning teams leave the gate at the same time and participate in a koth/relic/capture point match.