Curse

Edwards · Dec 24, 2008, 09:45 AM // 09:45

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Originally Posted by distilledwill

[Primal Rage][Rush][Arcane Mimicry][Dismember][Power Attack][Protector's Strike][Bull's Strike][Resurrection Signet]

lets make it happen people.

I would resign immediately if faced with that bar.

Wish Swiftdeath · Dec 24, 2008, 10:56 AM // 10:56

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Originally Posted by Edwards

I would resign immediately if faced with that bar.

LOL, must run that!

Killed u man · Dec 24, 2008, 03:09 PM // 15:09

Lol, that bar is so RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOed up, and yet I can see it work. 30 seconds of Godmode every 80 is more than enough to steamroll through a team.

Anywho, as said in other thread, it's not a question of which skill is better (well it is, BUT it NOT comparing X to Y), it's a question of what situation you are in.

When it's a damage focused meta, as in a right now, you're simply not going to keep PR up 24/7, which is what you need to really beat WE. WE is good, regardless of IAS, you're spamming those +30 dmg attack skills.
So please don't say how PR is better, because in theory, if everyone were to be undead, [Ray of Judgment][Smite][Banish][Judges Insight] would be the shit in GvG, but it's just not gonna happen, the same way any good team won't allow a Warrior to PR 24/7

As for splitting with PR, Fire Ele flagger with MB and Rodgorts/Immolate says hi. I won't even start on the redicilously OP Burning Arrow bars, I'm pretty sure they could instagib a PR warrior with Ele Bow (if they have one), 100+ Burning arrow + hunters + savage + burning says hi this time.

Whenitrainsitpours · Dec 24, 2008, 04:26 PM // 16:26

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Originally Posted by IcyFiftyFive

Primal Rage means you're using a zealous axe.

Warriors Endurance means you're running with a vampiric axe.

The general consensus would be that WE is better, but it all depends on what type of PvP you're in, and what the templates are.

Primal Rage means you're always hitting even if you're using a zealous axe.

Warrior's Endurance means your losing health and still not hitting with a vampiric axe.

On topic: I think PR > WE just due to the fact that you can catch up with targets easily and stay on them.

To me...WE feels more like a PvE elite cause that's all I ever use it for.

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

Lol, that bar is so RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOed up, and yet I can see it work. 30 seconds of Godmode every 80 is more than enough to steamroll through a team.

Anywho, as said in other thread, it's not a question of which skill is better (well it is, BUT it NOT comparing X to Y), it's a question of what situation you are in.

When it's a damage focused meta, as in a right now, you're simply not going to keep PR up 24/7, which is what you need to really beat WE. WE is good, regardless of IAS, you're spamming those +30 dmg attack skills.
So please don't say how PR is better, because in theory, if everyone were to be undead, [Ray of Judgment][Smite][Banish][Judges Insight] would be the shit in GvG, but it's just not gonna happen, the same way any good team won't allow a Warrior to PR 24/7

As for splitting with PR, Fire Ele flagger with MB and Rodgorts/Immolate says hi. I won't even start on the redicilously OP Burning Arrow bars, I'm pretty sure they could instagib a PR warrior with Ele Bow (if they have one), 100+ Burning arrow + hunters + savage + burning says hi this time.

Actually, after testing this in RA/TA/AB (Nope, I don't GvG

), the only thing that really punished me were PS sins since they start off with a ~160 PS and then I get KD'd which prevents my cancel stance. All other types of builds, I can deal with.

Phe Belladona · Dec 24, 2008, 04:32 PM // 16:32

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Originally Posted by Whenitrainsitpours

Primal Rage means you're always hitting even if you're using a zealous axe.

Warrior's Endurance means your losing health and still not hitting with a vampiric axe.

On topic: I think PR > WE just due to the fact that you can catch up with targets easily and stay on them.

To me...WE feels more like a PvE elite cause that's all I ever use it for.

Warriors Endurance is extremely powerful, if your warrior can push the buttons quick enough on recharge (not save power attack and prot strike for spiking -.- bad warriors.. you know who you are) its vicious. i really dont think you can say 1 health degen from vampiric mods is a valid negative..

Whenitrainsitpours · Dec 24, 2008, 04:40 PM // 16:40

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Originally Posted by Phe Belladona

Warriors Endurance is extremely powerful, if your warrior can push the buttons quick enough on recharge (not save power attack and prot strike for spiking -.- bad warriors.. you know who you are) its vicious. i really dont think you can say 1 health degen from vampiric mods is a valid negative..

True, the -1 hp degen is forgettable with good monks.

However, I tried WE last night and the damage was consistent in all but I just felt like I was doing PvE using it. Not to mention getting kited makes it useless in my opinion.

Primal Rage on the other hand prevents kiting and increases your DPS by quite a significant amount. The one huge negative of PR is if you get locked down and somehow can't cancel stance, it's over.

Shendaar · Dec 24, 2008, 05:33 PM // 17:33

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Originally Posted by Whenitrainsitpours

True, the -1 hp degen is forgettable with good monks.

Weapon swap much?

elypta · Dec 24, 2008, 05:56 PM // 17:56

well i think WE is better cos you can spam a lot :P and that vamparic axe is a minor difference, if your splitting just swap weapons when you need to regenerate and theres absolutly no problem. it is true that getting up with kiters is annoying bbut i wouldnt want to change my elite just for that

Whenitrainsitpours · Dec 24, 2008, 06:04 PM // 18:04

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Originally Posted by Shendaar

Weapon swap much?

Yeah, yeah, I know lol. Wasn't really thinking about weapon swapping at the time...was drowsy

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Originally Posted by elypta

well i think WE is better cos you can spam a lot :P and that vamparic axe is a minor difference, if your splitting just swap weapons when you need to regenerate and theres absolutly no problem. it is true that getting up with kiters is annoying bbut i wouldnt want to change my elite just for that

However, catching kiters isn't the only reason why PR is good. Somebody else stated earlier in the thread how PR saved energy.

Also, catching kiters with an IAS and IMS up overall increases your DPS by a good extent. It is true that WE lets you spam energy skills however it is also true that if you're kited and use WE, during the duration of you being kited, you as well as your elite are absolutely useless.

Do not doublepost please.

Killed u man · Dec 24, 2008, 06:15 PM // 18:15

Vamp = 2 HP loss per second.

Hitting without IAS = gaining 2.23 ish Health per second

So yeah, even if you NEVER frenzy, and ONLY use rush (which is +- on par with PR movement speed, let's not bitch about 8%), you'll still be somewhere around the breakeven of 2 seconds, maybe even getting the constant 2.23 cap IF you can quarterstep half decent.

Regardless, I think it's safe to say that both Zealous AND Vamp will always meet their break even in terms of cost. A zealous axe will pretty much ALWAYS GIVE you more energy than the -1 cost pip, as a Vamp axe will awlays GIVE YOU MORE hp (even tough it's so miniscule, it's the different between not degening, and degening) than the -1 HP cost.

Also, Bull's is a still a stable on every warriors bar. IF you can land some bull's, that's 3 seconds of PR's IMS being completely useless. (Yes, you can quarterstep a bit further, but let's not start with the ant-RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOin, shall we?)

Even aside from the Double Dmg you take, which is what pretty much kills this skill in current meta, You've got BULL'S STRIKE to prevent kiting, aswell as the good old [Shock] and, gues what, your midline. GvG is a 8 man match, and how often do you see FC snares (even tough they're focusing on warriors, every now and then, you see them use Shard Storm or Freezing Gust to snare targets for warriors. Let's also not forget the power of [Mind Shock], [Ice Prison] or even the current devil in disguise [Palm Strike].

IF a constant IAS and IMS were so godly (which they are, don't get me wrong, but simply not as godly as spamming +dmg skills), RaO rangers would have been GvG meta a long time before. (Face it, they can use Whirling instead of the normal cancel stance)
Don't say they're not as good because they can't have 14 xx mastery, or because they can't have Stonefist's. (Or the extra skill charm animal, or this or that) Bottom line is that the IMS and IAS from RaO simply doesn't compare to all these minimal factors, meaning IMS and IAS isn't AS GODLY as some people here claim it to be.

Yes, Warrior's Endurance WOULD be better with a constant 33% IAS and IMS, but that doesn't mean i'll take the latter AT THE COST of WE.

illidan009 · Dec 24, 2008, 07:13 PM // 19:13

After the initial fad wears off WE > PR...
PR: Looks interesting, good buff, but not up to WE's standards...if you just use a cancel stance then good job, you waste your elite :/ If you don't have fun spiking a target and get owned half way through by a A/D.

Bobby2 · Dec 24, 2008, 07:34 PM // 19:34

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Originally Posted by illidan009

After the initial fad wears off WE > PR...
PR: Looks interesting, good buff, but not up to WE's standards...if you just use a cancel stance then good job, you waste your elite :/ If you don't have fun spiking a target and get owned half way through by a A/D.

Are you saying Frenzy is bad as well?

Tyla · Dec 24, 2008, 07:40 PM // 19:40

Primal Rage is far braver, therefore it is far better.

moriz · Dec 24, 2008, 07:43 PM // 19:43

constant IMS and IAS is only good if you can make use of it. if you can't, then eviscerate or WE is better.

ensoriki · Dec 24, 2008, 08:53 PM // 20:53

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Originally Posted by moriz

constant IMS and IAS is only good if you can make use of it. if you can't, then eviscerate or WE is better.

Well theres the thing it depends on the situation.

PR's a good skill, however obviously theres going to be situations where other skills will fare better.

Don Juan Rising · Dec 24, 2008, 10:27 PM // 22:27

the clear answer is to run 2 WE warriors and an Incoming paragon

Seraphim of Chaos · Dec 25, 2008, 05:21 AM // 05:21

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Originally Posted by distilledwill

[Primal Rage][Rush][Arcane Mimicry][Dismember][Power Attack][Protector's Strike][Bull's Strike][Resurrection Signet]

lets make it happen people.

Holy RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO. Someone has a boner.

Rhamia Darigaz · Dec 25, 2008, 07:40 AM // 07:40

for some reason i tend to mash the spacebar when i run prage and scream PPPPPPRRRRRRAAAAAAGGGGGGEEEEEEEE at the top of my lungs, will doing this make my warrior attack any harder, better, faster, stronger?

faraaz · Dec 25, 2008, 07:49 AM // 07:49

That only works with RoJ and "HOLY JEEEBUS BEAMS!!!!!!11one11!!" I think..

Edwards · Dec 25, 2008, 09:12 AM // 09:12

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Originally Posted by Rhamia Darigaz

for some reason i tend to mash the spacebar when i run prage and scream PPPPPPRRRRRRAAAAAAGGGGGGEEEEEEEE at the top of my lungs, will doing this make my warrior attack any harder, better, faster, stronger?

It seems to work for me.