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Taisayacho · Jan 15, 2009, 05:14 PM // 17:14

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Originally Posted by lutz

False. I use PvE characters and buy individual weapon sets. I have 3 sets of FoW armor for Domination Mesmer, Illusion Mesmer, and Fast Cast crap, (along with 5 different FoW boots for +1 Illusion for Distortion, 20% cripple for splitting, +10 health if I really have nothing else to do, etc) and around 5 different 40/40 sets (Domination, Inspiration, Illusion, Water, Curses) and 5 different +30/-2 high sets. I also have 9 different shields and 4 different weapons depending on the situation (4 Swords with +5 Armor, +7 physical, +7 elemental, and +30 health). You would never be able to fit all of this onto a PvP character.

Using a PvE character is always better than using a PvP character, because you can create a lot more different weapons than a PvP character can. PvP characters can only create like 20 or 25 weapons whereas a PvE character can hold as many as you want. In addition, PvE characters get some of the better things like:

Double Vamp Weapons (to kill yourself faster)
-50 HP Grim Cestas
req7 and req8 Weapons and Shields

The point is, start off playing a class with PvP, then work up building a PvE version of it. The PvE version is always, 100% of the time, better.

See, now you're just trying to show off. "PvP characters can only create like 20 or 25 weapons whereas a PvE character can hold as many as you want." - wtf? If you create new weapons on a PvP char, your inventory expands as you make new ones, to a point obviously.

Why would you need a -50hp grim cesta? And if you really care about "nice" equipment you can always bring some over to a PvP char from a PvE.

Honestly, I have never seen someone show off so much yet be so wrong.

moriz · Jan 15, 2009, 05:36 PM // 17:36

a pvp char can actually create as many pvp items as there are inventory slots, because there's a trick to get around that item limit.

lutz · Jan 15, 2009, 09:09 PM // 21:09

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Originally Posted by Taisayacho

See, now you're just trying to show off. "PvP characters can only create like 20 or 25 weapons whereas a PvE character can hold as many as you want." - wtf? If you create new weapons on a PvP char, your inventory expands as you make new ones, to a point obviously.

Why would you need a -50hp grim cesta? And if you really care about "nice" equipment you can always bring some over to a PvP char from a PvE.

Honestly, I have never seen someone show off so much yet be so wrong.

I doubt you're going to respond to this post.

The top part occurs when you have created 25 PvP items already and have extra space (say, due to a bag, or belt pouch), and the other message occurs when you actually have no more room left in your inventory.
There is a limit to how many PvP items you can make on one character.

You need a -50 HP Grim Cesta, ideally, on every one of your characters for PvP. It helps you kill yourself faster combined with a double vampiric weapon. In many high level GvG situations you will find yourself being saved for time (that is, killed after the timer hits a multiple of 2:00 minutes), so you are down for another 2 minutes. These double vampiric and -health items let you choose when you die, rather than leaving that choice up to the enemy. Of course, they only work when you're already low on health, but this situation is often visited in GvG, and may be the difference between winning and losing a game.

Yes, you can bring over PvE items to a PvP character, I'm pretty sure a lot of people have already said that. The main thing though, is that most of the time, PvP characters change. Unless you have one slot dedicated to a PvP character, I wouldn't make a PvP character since most people have the tendency to re-roll them - that is, to delete them and make a new one. These "special PvE items" have huge value (well, just the req7/req8 Tactics Shields really), so it's pretty difficult to get them back.

*lemming* · Jan 15, 2009, 09:35 PM // 21:35

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Originally Posted by lutz

I doubt you're going to respond to this post.

The top part occurs when you have created 25 PvP items already and have extra space (say, due to a bag, or belt pouch), and the other message occurs when you actually have no more room left in your inventory.
There is a limit to how many PvP items you can make on one character.

The point is a bit moot since you'll probably never roll that many pvp items on a disposable character and you can circumvent it on anything that you've spent rps on.

lutz · Jan 15, 2009, 09:57 PM // 21:57

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Originally Posted by tehlemming

The point is a bit moot since you'll probably never roll that many pvp items on a disposable character and you can circumvent it on anything that you've spent rps on.

On disposable characters, you'd have to move all your -2 Degen Weapons, r7/r8 tactics shields and -50 cestas every time. If you don't, then you cry when you lose an mAT because you died after time and couldn't kill yourself.

The regular caster takes:
5 swords/axes/spears (+7 phys, +7 elemental, +5 armor all, +30 health, -5 energy)
9 shields (fire, cold, lightning, earth, blunt, slashing, piercing, +60hp while hexed, cripple)
3 wands (20/20 wand, 20/+15-1 wand, secondary attribute 20/20)
3 foci (20/20 focus, 20/+15-1 focus, secondary attribute 20/20)
1 staff (10/10 staff)
*2 (wand and focus) fast cast resurrection set (20/20 wand, 20/20 focus)
2 (sword and focus) degen set
1 15^50 wand

Phe Belladona · Jan 16, 2009, 02:16 AM // 02:16

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Originally Posted by lutz

On disposable characters, you'd have to move all your -2 Degen Weapons, r7/r8 tactics shields and -50 cestas every time. If you don't, then you cry when you lose an mAT because you died after time and couldn't kill yourself.

The regular caster takes:
5 swords/axes/spears (+7 phys, +7 elemental, +5 armor all, +30 health, -5 energy)
9 shields (fire, cold, lightning, earth, blunt, slashing, piercing, +60hp while hexed, cripple)
3 wands (20/20 wand, 20/+15-1 wand, secondary attribute 20/20)
3 foci (20/20 focus, 20/+15-1 focus, secondary attribute 20/20)
1 staff (10/10 staff)
*2 (wand and focus) fast cast resurrection set (20/20 wand, 20/20 focus)
2 (sword and focus) degen set
1 15^50 wand

i have a pvp and a pve mesmer i have them both totally ready, neither has an advantage over the other.. if you're playing the mAT im pretty sure you'll make the effort to swap all the necessary items around if you are changing character, but tbh you'll prolly just be playing 2 characters regularly anyway so will have them set up for the mAT well in advance.

unless you customised all your -2 regen swords for your pve for some reason they both can be set up to be equals. you can get around the item limit - as i have stated before but you chose to ignore.

its all about looks, some items are exclusive in looks and function to pve or pvp. look your best ^^

lutz · Jan 16, 2009, 04:02 AM // 04:02

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Originally Posted by Phe Belladona

i have a pvp and a pve mesmer i have them both totally ready, neither has an advantage over the other.. if you're playing the mAT im pretty sure you'll make the effort to swap all the necessary items around if you are changing character, but tbh you'll prolly just be playing 2 characters regularly anyway so will have them set up for the mAT well in advance.

unless you customised all your -2 regen swords for your pve for some reason they both can be set up to be equals. you can get around the item limit - as i have stated before but you chose to ignore.

its all about looks, some items are exclusive in looks and function to pve or pvp. look your best ^^

I agree about the mAT - the only reason why I'd make the effort to swap so much is for one event a month. Otherwise, it's much simpler to keep a PvE.

Phe Belladona · Jan 16, 2009, 05:05 AM // 05:05

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Originally Posted by lutz

I agree about the mAT - the only reason why I'd make the effort to swap so much is for one event a month. Otherwise, it's much simpler to keep a PvE.

swap so much? we're talking about opening storage and placing a cesta and a sword in then rerolling..

lutz · Jan 16, 2009, 05:13 AM // 05:13

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Originally Posted by Phe Belladona

swap so much? we're talking about opening storage and placing a cesta and a sword in then rerolling..

and then making 25 items.

Phe Belladona · Jan 16, 2009, 05:48 AM // 05:48

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Originally Posted by lutz

and then making 25 items.

and leveling a character to 20 and collecting everything for it weapons, armour, the cash for those things and skills and taking it through all 4 campaigns is much quicker.. yes.. im sure..

seriously stop saying that PvE is superior when you can quite easily make a PvP which is its equal. i have loads of PvE chars i love them but im not going to stupidly defend a point which was proven to be silly.

NullValue · Jan 16, 2009, 05:48 AM // 05:48

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Originally Posted by lutz

I doubt you're going to respond to this post.

The top part occurs when you have created 25 PvP items already and have extra space (say, due to a bag, or belt pouch), and the other message occurs when you actually have no more room left in your inventory.
There is a limit to how many PvP items you can make on one character.

Like moriz mentioned already, there is an easy way for a PvP character to create an unlimited number of PvP items. It has nothing to do with storage, so you can fill up your bags and belt with weapons and shields without transferring anything.

Personally, my two main roles in PvP are Monk and Warrior. I have a PvE Monk and Warrior, along with a PvP Monk and Warrior. I stopped bothering to play PvE for a couple years now. All I do now in GW is PvP (GvG / TA). Gearing up my two PvE characters was a pain and I stopped bothering, especially when you can make a full inventory (including belt and bags) of PvP items. There is also no problem with using PvE equipment such as q8 shields for your PvP. I won't be deleting my PvP Monk nor Warrior either way since I play them too often.

One nice thing about PvP characters are that you can do things such as giving a Strength Shield a Paragon Shield skin, but the thing I like the most about PvP characters is that you can easily modify the PvP equipment attributes / runes / etc on-the-fly and for free. Due to this, if you want to save space, you only need 1 armor set for all builds; although, both my PvP Monk and Warrior have multiple PvP armor sets due to unlocking the basic skins for fancy (didn't wanna delete them, heh).

As I see it, there isn't really any advantage of a PvE character over a PvP one. If you want to customize your character's look, you can just spend RP on your PvP; although, PvPs can also easily set their RP skins on any attribute type. There are no inventory or item limitations for a PvP character that cannot be worked around. Neither character type can swap armor mid-match either; although, if that were possible now, PvPs could do it anyway (fill your entire inventory + bags with armor if you want).

Basically, if you play a lot of PvE and PvP, then you can have a PvE to play both. If you only want to play PvP, might as well go with a PvP character instead, as it is way more convenient with no inherent disadvantages. Just go spend your RP / faction on zkeys if you need money for special PvE items. Not like you'll have any use for those points after you UAX.

RiceCream · Jan 16, 2009, 07:28 AM // 07:28

PvP character's are better in general, assusming you have good gear ie req 7 and 8 stuff (shileds) and unique mods (+15%always etc.).
Having a pvp character with enough gear to PvP in more than one form (ie lots of armor and gear for one toon) is significantly more rewarding though.

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Originally Posted by lutz

The regular caster takes:
5 swords/axes/spears (+7 phys, +7 elemental, +5 armor all, +30 health, -5 energy)
9 shields (fire, cold, lightning, earth, blunt, slashing, piercing, +60hp while hexed, cripple)
3 wands (20/20 wand, 20/+15-1 wand, secondary attribute 20/20)
3 foci (20/20 focus, 20/+15-1 focus, secondary attribute 20/20)
1 staff (10/10 staff)
*2 (wand and focus) fast cast resurrection set (20/20 wand, 20/20 focus)
2 (sword and focus) degen set
1 15^50 wand

if by regular caster you mean midline. monk and flaggy will carry slightly different sets.

Yarly · Jan 16, 2009, 11:37 AM // 11:37

Lutz, you seem like a smart person. But you really need to stop trying to tell people what they should or shouldn't do. Why anyone would even consider taking the longer route over the shorter route to achieve exactly the same goal is ridiculous.

Looking at that list you've made just makes me laugh, in reality you really don't need all that baggage. Unless you're a sole pve'r who likes to think of themselves as a high end pvp'er when in reality all they do is afk in RA.

Greedy Gus · Jan 17, 2009, 12:14 AM // 00:14

Some people just compile lists of all possible niche useful items to stack in their inventory to feel like a serious player, but the reality is that extra stuff barely matters in the first place.

Div · Jan 17, 2009, 04:57 AM // 04:57

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Originally Posted by tehlemming

The point is a bit moot since you'll probably never roll that many pvp items on a disposable character and you can circumvent it on anything that you've spent rps on.

I have more pvp items than that on my ele, and I really don't want to circumvent your mom to fit more than 25 items