Curse

shoogi · Jan 17, 2009, 11:00 PM // 23:00

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Originally Posted by Edwards

Have you ever contributed anything even close to resembling useful or intelligent on these forums?

If so, I must have missed it, sorry.

skyros is the official forum troll, and he's doing his job loyally. don't flame him.

@topic-
again, lol at "learn to counter" and "use the heroes' weaknesses against them". This thread isn't about that. Ofc we are forced to adapt to the meta (which is 90% teaseway), and not all of us are borats that get ganked by a randomway in halls and come here to rant. This thread is about heroes being bad for pvp. And yes, surprise, HEROES ARE BAD FOR PVP.

wuzzman · Jan 18, 2009, 11:47 PM // 23:47

Lol why is this even a discussion. Heroes are bad for the kids who will still complain about "buttonmashingrollyourfaceonthekeyboard" builds that take 8 people to run long after heroes are removed. Honestly if your going to appeal to that crowd that ship has sailed, sank, and rotting at the bottom of the sea. In fact they should increase the numbers of heroes you can bring in HA. I want the return of the 2 man team. I honestly don't know why people who don't have to PUG for HA groups should be determining the way the people who do have to PUG play.

TheHaxor · Jan 19, 2009, 12:23 AM // 00:23

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Originally Posted by wuzzman

Lol why is this even a discussion. Heroes are bad for the kids who will still complain about "buttonmashingrollyourfaceonthekeyboard" builds that take 8 people to run long after heroes are removed. Honestly if your going to appeal to that crowd that ship has sailed, sank, and rotting at the bottom of the sea. In fact they should increase the numbers of heroes you can bring in HA. I want the return of the 2 man team. I honestly don't know why people who don't have to PUG for HA groups should be determining the way the people who do have to PUG play.

I'm glad someone willing to post agrees with me.

Big fella · Jan 19, 2009, 08:32 AM // 08:32

but but but...if you take heroes out of PvP..that means thatll be the end of [ReX]!!!!! Oh Noes!!! but seriously heroes can be countered but they are plainly better than normal people (thats how guilds/teams are doing so well and so badly at GvG/HA...running or vsing lame shizz like heroway) take them out of the situation and your 5% out of 95% of the way to fixing HA... LoL @ hErOeS

Krill · Jan 19, 2009, 10:39 AM // 10:39

I agree with wuzzman that taking out heroes altogether will only ensure more equally crappy 8 man builds. The players are not going to magically get better with a code change, it would just shift to builds with even more SH eles and hexes with our old friend the nrt healer.

I would just nerf hero's ability to interrupt and call it good. Olias rockin' the tainted flesh or dumping out hexes never really bothered me. It's still gay but who really cares. Gwen's shutdown ability is mediocre at best, but teams that don't bring a mes shouldn't have any at all imo and suffer the consequences.

Killed u man · Jan 19, 2009, 02:11 PM // 14:11

Ok, but it's not a question of wether or not players will become better or not.
Some of you seem to have forgotten to bottom line to play a game, which is fun. The reason WHY HA sucks so bad, is because 99% of the HA community is the whole of Ascalon ID1 deciding they wanted to get their tiger, because they still go by the illusion that rank=skill.

Skip to bottom if you don't feel like reading wall of text.

HA is dead, and so is GW. There is no way around it, it's a fcking cliché, but face it, it's true.
ALL I really want, for nostalgic reasons, is for Anet to REALIZE and ADMIT they failed horribly in HA, and atleast restore some of their integrity they had PRE-NF (and all those HoH changed bullshit).

Sure, you don't hear PvE'ers complain about HA, because they're the ones abusing it to get their tigers in a few weeks, playing nothing but buttonbash trash, but as I said before: THE GAME IS DEAD.

I don't give a f*ck about all those PvE'ers who won't be able to get fame, or into groups because they are TOO BAD (Face it, stop with the rank descrimination bullshit, if you were half-decent of a player, you'dd form your own team, or already be known in the PvP scene - if you recently joined GW, then you're plain stupid for buying a game that's way past it's holding date)

Bottom Line:

-Anet shouldn't give a fck about the PvE'ers in the PvP section, which is why they allow such builds to exist, so bad people can get fame to.
What they SHOULD realize though, is that by doing this, they're loosing out in the long run, cuz face it: After the GW1 fiasco, which can be SAFELY and BROADLY said, it's one huge cluster-fcuk ever since the Factions release, WHO will take GW2 serious?
No-one will.

The ONLY thing GW got on WoW, an other MMO's, is the fact that it has "skill-based" PvP. Make that "had". If it doesn't have that integrity, it will just be another WoW-copy, and I don't see why the mainstream community would ever want to buy GW2 over WoW.
1) WoW has better PvE
2) WoW gets updated WAY more often
3) WoW still has got a long way to go before they pull the plug on the servers
4) WoW is more fun, PvP wise, than GW is in it's current state

For me, Anet is nothing but a bunch of twads with a briliant mind, but to lazy and too naive to bring out, AND MAINTAIN (MMO is ALL about having a long-lasting community, look at runescape, WoW, D2...) a decent MMO.

TL,DR;

Give the old-schoolers a break, and stop sucking the PvE communities c0ck. Competitive people, such as myself, DESERVE a glimpse of what HA used to be: Revert it back to old school holding, and bring these hero bars back in line.

TheHaxor · Jan 19, 2009, 05:42 PM // 17:42

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

Ok, but it's not a question of wether or not players will become better or not.
Some of you seem to have forgotten to bottom line to play a game, which is fun. The reason WHY HA sucks so bad, is because 99% of the HA community is the whole of Ascalon ID1 deciding they wanted to get their tiger, because they still go by the illusion that rank=skill.

Skip to bottom if you don't feel like reading wall of text.

HA is dead, and so is GW. There is no way around it, it's a fcking cliché, but face it, it's true.
ALL I really want, for nostalgic reasons, is for Anet to REALIZE and ADMIT they failed horribly in HA, and atleast restore some of their integrity they had PRE-NF (and all those HoH changed bullshit).

Sure, you don't hear PvE'ers complain about HA, because they're the ones abusing it to get their tigers in a few weeks, playing nothing but buttonbash trash, but as I said before: THE GAME IS DEAD.

I don't give a f*ck about all those PvE'ers who won't be able to get fame, or into groups because they are TOO BAD (Face it, stop with the rank descrimination bullshit, if you were half-decent of a player, you'dd form your own team, or already be known in the PvP scene - if you recently joined GW, then you're plain stupid for buying a game that's way past it's holding date)

Bottom Line:

-Anet shouldn't give a fck about the PvE'ers in the PvP section, which is why they allow such builds to exist, so bad people can get fame to.
What they SHOULD realize though, is that by doing this, they're loosing out in the long run, cuz face it: After the GW1 fiasco, which can be SAFELY and BROADLY said, it's one huge cluster-fcuk ever since the Factions release, WHO will take GW2 serious?
No-one will.

The ONLY thing GW got on WoW, an other MMO's, is the fact that it has "skill-based" PvP. Make that "had". If it doesn't have that integrity, it will just be another WoW-copy, and I don't see why the mainstream community would ever want to buy GW2 over WoW.
1) WoW has better PvE
2) WoW gets updated WAY more often
3) WoW still has got a long way to go before they pull the plug on the servers
4) WoW is more fun, PvP wise, than GW is in it's current state

For me, Anet is nothing but a bunch of twads with a briliant mind, but to lazy and too naive to bring out, AND MAINTAIN (MMO is ALL about having a long-lasting community, look at runescape, WoW, D2...) a decent MMO.

TL,DR;

Give the old-schoolers a break, and stop sucking the PvE communities c0ck. Competitive people, such as myself, DESERVE a glimpse of what HA used to be: Revert it back to old school holding, and bring these hero bars back in line.

Reverting HA back to what it was before wouldn't make it more fun. People still wouldn't play it. I'm pretty sure the best part about halls to begin with was the large variety of people that played it. You obviously aren't as old school as you think.

They should focus on game balance before deciding whether to revert HA. At least that way it is possible to get some of the people they lost back. Although, it is probably too late anyway because most people probably aren't willing to trust the developers at this point.

Ec]-[oMaN · Jan 19, 2009, 06:28 PM // 18:28

Even when HA was in it's prime, it still suffered from all of the above. Stupid broken builds, cluster f...ing, button mash IWAY and pressure builds. Nothing Anet and the balancers could have really done to keep it fresh. The majority of the player base which played ha for 2 years+ could only keep interest for so long. Hell I've been playing the game since release and still don't have a tiger. I could never bring myself to play more than 2 hours every few days because of the mechanics/maps HA offers. Gimping heroes won't solve any of the problems that surfaced long ago.

"Can't take it anymore" is what the majority said a year and a half ago.

Ka Tet · Jan 19, 2009, 07:18 PM // 19:18

The thing that is being missed here, is that a lot of the people who are interested in actual competitive pvp miss playing ha. And, some of those players might return if the format were fixed. If it once again become a format wherethe majority of the time 2 teams would face off and the better skilled team or the team who was playing better at that moment won, ha might have a revival.

Krill · Jan 19, 2009, 07:36 PM // 19:36

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

The reason WHY HA sucks so bad, is because 99% of the HA community is the whole of Ascalon ID1 deciding they wanted to get their tiger, because they still go by the illusion that rank=skill.

There are a lot of players that are desperate for fame and will play anything, but that has always been the case.

When rspike was peaking out pretty much every one of your post had a complaint about it worked in there. Well, rspike is is all but gone, the iway rehash is gone, the real hway is gone and sway is long gone. I don't miss any of that shit tbh.

wuzzman · Jan 19, 2009, 07:38 PM // 19:38

Killed U Man if WoW is already a better game then you pretty much lost 99% of your credibility on this subject. No amount of epeen waging will give you that back.

Killed u man · Jan 19, 2009, 08:33 PM // 20:33

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Originally Posted by wuzzman

Killed U Man if WoW is already a better game then you pretty much lost 99% of your credibility on this subject. No amount of epeen waging will give you that back.

Anyone not admitting WoW, which I do NOT (And NEVER have, I merely see friends play it daily) play, is the better game compared to GW in it's current state can continue to live in his own ignorance for all I care.

Wow gets update more often, has a bigger community (forum), has more players, has more content, has "better" PvP (Guild Wars is a COMPLETE JOKE, atleast WoW is armor based, which is something you have to "work" for, in GW, simply roll a PvP character (Sin or hex mes/nec) and you can "pwn" shit straight away)

HOW does all of this, which can't be denied, make WoW the worse game?

wuzzman · Jan 19, 2009, 09:32 PM // 21:32

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

Anyone not admitting WoW, which I do NOT (And NEVER have, I merely see friends play it daily) play, is the better game compared to GW in it's current state can continue to live in his own ignorance for all I care.

Wow gets update more often, has a bigger community (forum), has more players, has more content, has "better" PvP (Guild Wars is a COMPLETE JOKE, atleast WoW is armor based, which is something you have to "work" for, in GW, simply roll a PvP character (Sin or hex mes/nec) and you can "pwn" shit straight away)

HOW does all of this, which can't be denied, make WoW the worse game?

Wow is a grindy piece of shit. end of story. for wow pvp to be considered better then guild wars it has to actually have pvp. guild wars pvp is a joke because shit ass players like you RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOed the game side ways and made it boring as hell.

Killed u man · Jan 19, 2009, 09:44 PM // 21:44

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Originally Posted by wuzzman

Wow is a grindy piece of shit. end of story. for wow pvp to be considered better then guild wars it has to actually have pvp. guild wars pvp is a joke because shit ass players like you RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOed the game side ways and made it boring as hell.

I did not understand your post, please clarify:

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Wow is a grindy piece of shit.

How is this a valid reason when ALL GW is, is grind aswell, WITH offcorse the lack of end-game content. Last time I checked, once you've played through the story-line, all there is left to do, is "grind" titles, no?

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actually have pvp

I didn't realize WoW didn't have PvP. Maybe they have been lying to me on the box on the backside? It clearly says "Competitve PvP". Please help me understand how it does NOT have PvP?

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shit ass players like you **** the game side ways and made it boring as hell.

How do I make it boring? How do I stop making it boring? It seems I have become victim of my own actions, as I'm bored aswell. I must have fcuked up bad, as I have made HA boring for myself.

Nice sense of reasoning there tiger. Refrain yourself from posting if you can't handle some IQ>90 conversations, Thanks in advance

Zaiden · Jan 19, 2009, 10:28 PM // 22:28

answer to tease... then stop playing overpowered r spike lol. Any pressure team can win against that. Fine they drop a weapon there, change target, and so on and so on... If you really want to run a spike, run a caster spike or something face paced so gwen runs out of energy, and you know theres actually a cooldown on wepaon of shadow and warding. I`m glad gwen is out there since tgheres no more r spike

Edwards · Jan 20, 2009, 02:55 AM // 02:55

TBH, I think with nerfs to Palm Strike and Lingering Curse, and maybe a couple smite skills, the tease/smiteway build wouldn't be a big issue, because it would take them forever to actually kill stuff. It's like that other thread saying that minimalist offense is killing GW. When teams can pack 4 defensive characters and still kill stuff, they will, because most people in HA are bad and do much better with the large margin for error.

bungusmaximus · Jan 20, 2009, 08:40 AM // 08:40

I don't HA too much, so I won't react in-depth, but my biggest gripe with most competitive PvP is an utterly retarded player base, can't really blame aNet for that. That's at least half of the reason I stick to other formats for my daily PvP needs.

When you don't know people, you can't form solid teams imho, because only practice makes perfect. But who wants to know total f*cktards?

No pun intended btw. in case someone wight think I'm flaming everyone in this thread, which isn't the case. F*cktards tend to get banned from guru

On heroes, if you must nerf, ban heroes, don't nerf their AI or skills, that would be folly really.

Gigashadow · Jan 21, 2009, 05:19 AM // 05:19

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

4) WoW is more fun, PvP wise, than GW is in it's current state

This actually isn't at all true right now. I'm not mindlessly hating on that game either like many others do, but WoW PvP has been really screwed since 3.0 late last year and got far worse since WoTLK.

However bad you think the state of Guild Wars PvP is right now, WoW arenas, bgs and their new wintergrasp thing are unplayably un-fun for most people right now (regardless of the level of player), and you can go read any WoW related PvP discussion site to confirm how awful the current situation is in that game.

Krill · Jan 21, 2009, 08:44 AM // 08:44

WoW isn't even in the same league as GW. The only way you could conceivably make the argument that WoW is a competitive game is that gaming syndicates are still trying to pick up WoW teams in a desperate attempt to expand beyond the rotting corpse of the competitive FPS scene.

I just don't how you make this good old days argument Borat when HA has always been a swirling cauldron of shit builds, it's just a little more obvious now since the player base continues to dwindle.

Reverend Dr · Jan 21, 2009, 09:03 AM // 09:03

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Originally Posted by Gigashadow

you can go read any WoW related PvP discussion site to confirm how awful the current situation is in that game.

And Guild Wars pvp related discussion is all about shitting rainbows.