Curse

Cobalic · Jan 08, 2009, 06:02 PM // 18:02

Hey,

I've been gone for a little over a year. When I left, IWAY and the double shot/quick shot thing was all the rage.

I made it to rank 8, then I quit.

So whats up? Have people gotten past rank 9? Do you still get sigils for winning etc?

I looked around a bit, and everyones saying that HA is terrible, bla bla. Whats the deal with that?

Try to use as few abbreviations as possible, I won't understand it if you do.

[Morkai] · Jan 08, 2009, 07:09 PM // 19:09

Two people have hit R15.

People abuse Smiting heroes and godlike AI reflexes to play shitway builds, commonly known as "Smiteway".

The R15 Emote was a Dragon (as some of us anticipated).

Oh yeah, HA is pretty much dead apart from the shitway mentioned above.

ButterMeUp · Jan 08, 2009, 07:24 PM // 19:24

Palm strike is what's up. Run it or very little fame will come your way unfortunantley.

I tried running über-defence balance, eg. Pancake way (FYI 1 erf shakur, 1Pd, 1 Da para, sh ele, earth ele, support rit + a backline that cannot heal up anymore.

Alas, it got little fame as we still got screwed up.

Welcome back to Izzy's reign of gimmick. Enjoy your stay.

Cobalic · Jan 08, 2009, 07:49 PM // 19:49

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Originally Posted by [Morkai]

Two people have hit R15.

People abuse Smiting heroes and godlike AI reflexes to play shitway builds, commonly known as "Smiteway".

Godlike AI reflexes? Whats that?

And whats the deal with the expansions? Can you use the new character classes in PVP?

Abedeus · Jan 08, 2009, 08:09 PM // 20:09

Godlike AI reflexes. I think if you don't know what that means, use dictionary.

Short and sweet - heroes have minimal reaction time. That means they can interrupt, remove hexes/conditions and heal/prot faster than a player. They can't predict a spike, so they can't use Infuse Health, but they can use [Tease] (check wiki for new description) or [Cry of Frustration].

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And whats the deal with the expansions? Can you use the new character classes in PVP?

Pretty much. Assassins are overpowered in single-target damage, Dervishes in AoE. Paragons kinda fail now as primaries, although they are used as secondary profession for their support skills. Same goes for Ritualists.

It's much more power creep than back then. Also, a lot of builds were nerfed. Smiteball doesn't exist, there is Smiteway. IWAY was nerfed, then it came back for 6 vs 6 HA, and when it was reverted to 8 vs 8, it died again.

Sway was considered a really easy to play and easy to defeat build... by skilled players. New players had a lot of problems with it because of pressure it applied. Just to explain - 3 Rampage as One Thumpers (oh yeah, new kind of Thumper - much better than the old one), 2 trappers, 2 Necro/Ritualist healers (the easiest healer there is - put down spirits, then abuse Soul Reaping for almost unlimited energy) and one Ritualist/Mesmer (used with [Expel Hexes] and [Warmonger's Weapon] + [Arcane Echo] to interrupt).

It died with constant nerfs, especially [Energetizing Winds] and [Rampage as One].

Anything else I forgot to mention?

Killed u man · Jan 08, 2009, 08:55 PM // 20:55

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

Anything else I forgot to mention?

I'l give him a more detailed timeline, to the best of my abilities (It's late, and I really can't recall it that good anymore)

-> Factions
-> IWAY meta
-> VimWay grew out of this (Trappers with ["Victory Is Mine!"])
-> Bloodspike held like crazy
-> Nerf IWAY
-> HA changed to 6v6 because it's what the community didn't want
-> Introduction NF
-> 1 Man, 5 heroes teams abusing Searing Flames. Swear to god, you had people holding HoH on their own with heroes and henchies.
-> 2 Man, 4 Heroes became more popular. 2 players were Monk, and then 4 fire ele heroes.
-> Dual Migraine hexway
-> HA goes to sheit
-> RaO thumpers ([Rampage as One])
-> Eurospike (W/A with shadowsteps [Shadow Prison] and Deep Wound, mesmer assist spiking with [Spiritual Pain], which did 100+ AoE damage back then)
-> SoMW spike ([Signet of Mystic Wrath])
-> Various Paragon abusing build. They gave +-40 party wide armor, half damage reduction and near infinite energy to your monks.
-> BoA sinway (Shadowstep sins with an instagib combo, assisted by 2 fire eles)
-> Jaggedway. First massive soul reaping abuse build.
-> Various shitways growing out of already lame stuff. First sway's.
-> Back to 8v8. Because they wanted to get our hopes up.
-> Changed from "Last altar cap" to shitconditions in HoH. Introduced Kill Count to HA (Maps where 1 kill = 1 point, highest points at the end wins).
This (Kill Count), aside from HA conditions and VoD was probably Izzy's biggest fail ever, also besides from him accepting the "balance job".
-> Ritspike. ([Channeled Strike][Gaze from beyond][Lamentation])
-> Forked Arrow spike ([Forked Arrow]) -> The only build that has this primitate "sick-overpoweredness" that's still not nerfed.
-> Nerf Ritspike for being, maybe THE most, overpowered build.
-> Legoway replaces eurospike. The mesmers are pretty much replaced by Paragons, because the mesmers got nerfed.
-> Ritspike came back, with different skills. ([Wielder's Strike][Spirit Burn][Spirit Rift])
-> N/A ritspike ([Spirit Rift][Ancester's Rage] Doing a 1600 damage AoE spike)
-> Remove Kill Count
-> Changed the HoH relic run objectives a bit
-> Various spike builds
-> Sway (Trappers and RaO thumpers, pretty much an already existing build in a 8v8 jacket)
-> People realize Fire AoE is the most overpowered thing, besides rspike, and every build from this point on has atleast 1 fire ele. Often 2 or 3.
-> Various trash and shit meta's
-> Downhill meta
-> Even more downhill
-> EVEN more, yes, downhill
-> HA we have know, can't even PISS on the old one, as it doesn't even reach high enough to do so.

Some other stuff: Various heroways popped up, it mainly comes down to abusing heroes.
Balanced was usually being ran throughout the intire course of HA. Often changing it's jacket from spike based, to pressure based.

Go back to wherever you came from. HA is not worth it...

Silver Phoenix · Jan 08, 2009, 09:08 PM // 21:08

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

-> HA we have know, can't even PISS on the old one, as it doesn't even reach high enough to do so.

Couldnt agree with you more.
Izzy is probably wanking somewhere on Ibiza.

hurric · Jan 08, 2009, 11:09 PM // 23:09

the biggest difference right now with current tease/smite meta is that before you'd have R/D or thumpers or iway which usually low ranked people ran AND balanced, r spike, SF spike etc. so your build may work against some but not others.

Currently ALL teams are palm strike tease way because if you don't, you're just setting yourself up for failure most likely so every single team in HA in every map runs PS sins which is horribly boring to face every damn map.
HoH observers are literally 3 copies of the same build sometimes even with the same order etc.

Cobalic · Jan 09, 2009, 02:26 AM // 02:26

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

Godlike AI reflexes. I think if you don't know what that means, use dictionary.

Short and sweet - heroes have minimal reaction time. That means they can interrupt, remove hexes/conditions and heal/prot faster than a player. They can't predict a spike, so they can't use Infuse Health, but they can use [Tease] (check wiki for new description) or [Cry of Frustration].

Wow. So whatever a Hero is, looks like they took the AI of henchies up a notch. I don't really see why, I mean this is supposed to be a multiplayer game...

But I guess from reading this, my question to a bunch of you is - what do you want? I mean when I was playing it sounds like it was the same thing: you had the flavor of the week. Way back when that was the lightning orb spike. I mean take it back even further, people considered 'spiking' a flavor of the week.

I don't know that the admins were as nerf happy back then, but still. This problem doesn't sound that unexpected. They added what, 4 classes, meaning there are like 10 now? It's probably really hard to come up with something were every class is 'balanced' - especially when you can mix classes.

I guess I'll dick around in PvE for a bit, and hopefully by the time I get bored with that things will come around.

And why are there so many euro players now? I think they're the real problem

Our Lady Of Sorrow · Jan 09, 2009, 02:52 AM // 02:52

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Originally Posted by Cobalic

Hey,

I've been gone for a little over a year. When I left, IWAY and the double shot/quick shot thing was all the rage.

I made it to rank 8, then I quit.

So whats up? Have people gotten past rank 9? Do you still get sigils for winning etc?

I looked around a bit, and everyones saying that HA is terrible, bla bla. Whats the deal with that?

Try to use as few abbreviations as possible, I won't understand it if you do.

by the sounds of it you been gone for about 3 years =/ quick shot bug got fixed over 2 years ago, people got passed rank 9 into rank 12/13 over 2 years ago..!
just as borat says.. its a perfect timeline of HA, although its a little bit mixed up in areas

anet believe the current HA is good.. if they asked players, they would find out how wrong they are..
HA is just a "how many imba frontlines and fire eles do you have?" rock/paper/scissors fest..
grab an assassin (until a derv/war skill gets uber buff) and you can roll your face across your keyboard until you are r9..
anyone can get fame by taking 2xsmite/resto + tease hero, 2monks that dont have a clue what they are doing (but hero AI makes up for that)
2 fire eles, and 2 assassins.
if you are thinking of returning.. dont
if that doesnt stop you, good luck

you will need it to at least have fun.. like everyone else that doesnt want to follow the meta..
-Davey

Cobalic · Jan 09, 2009, 07:36 PM // 19:36

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Originally Posted by Our Lady Of Sorrow

by the sounds of it you been gone for about 3 years =/ quick shot bug got fixed over 2 years ago, people got passed rank 9 into rank 12/13 over 2 years ago..!

Actually I think you're right. It's been at least 2, if not 3 years. I still remember the putrid explosion bombs on the altar... now THAT was hysterically funny

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Originally Posted by Our Lady Of Sorrow

if you are thinking of returning.. dont
if that doesnt stop you, good luck

you will need it to at least have fun.. like everyone else that doesnt want to follow the meta..
-Davey

Hey, whatever. It's a game. It passes the time while I'm at work.

I'm starting to think anet is ditching guild wars for gw 2...

Napalm Flame · Jan 09, 2009, 08:07 PM // 20:07

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Originally Posted by Cobalic

And why are there so many euro players now? I think they're the real problem

No we're not. We're better than most ameritrash now, because we actually know HOW to spike, and we're dumping a lot of our defense now and learning to pressure properly.

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Originally Posted by Cobalic

I'm starting to think anet is ditching guild wars for gw 2...

Too damn right, fukken true.

Cobalic · Jan 09, 2009, 09:36 PM // 21:36

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Originally Posted by Napalm Flame

No we're not. We're better than most ameritrash now, because we actually know HOW to spike

Someone's drinking the hatorade...

Skyros · Jan 10, 2009, 06:05 AM // 06:05

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Originally Posted by Napalm Flame

No we're not. We're better than most ameritrash now, because we actually know HOW to spike, and we're dumping a lot of our defense now and learning to pressure properly.

Too damn right, fukken true.

Naplam Fire, Euro GW spokesperson. GW trailbrazer / Proud Spiker.

Abedeus · Jan 10, 2009, 07:45 AM // 07:45

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Originally Posted by Cobalic

Someone's drinking the hatorade...

Pardon him, mister "I've been away for a year but don't know anything that has happened in the last 3 years".

Our Lady Of Sorrow · Jan 10, 2009, 01:42 PM // 13:42

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Originally Posted by Cobalic

I'm starting to think anet is ditching guild wars for gw 2...

join the club..

Cobalic · Jan 12, 2009, 04:15 AM // 04:15

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

Pardon him, mister "I've been away for a year but don't know anything that has happened in the last 3 years".

you guys are very sensitive. It's not hard to see why this forum went down the tubes

weretoad · Jan 25, 2009, 03:43 AM // 03:43

not sure why i haven't found a new forum but this one has indeed been over run with people not trying to help but trying to qq and tell anet they suck and your brand new jank build is total BS

sororitygirl · Feb 04, 2009, 06:27 PM // 18:27

Cobalic - props for seeming to be a competent player who understands this game is in fact a game, not a QQ/Ragefest, and forums were not made for outflaming flamers. Welcome back.