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LemonLame · Jan 23, 2009, 11:32 PM // 23:32

I'm wanting to start in some more serious PvP areas. GvG and HA is what I'm interested in (GvG probably being a more top priority.) The only problem is, I don't have any rank. Is there anyone out there who can give me a few pointers on how I should go about getting some HA/GvG experience? It would be greatly appreciated.

Codin The Great · Jan 24, 2009, 12:30 AM // 00:30

well first off, if u want to gvg then i suggest finding a guild that does gvg often if ure not in a guild. Usually though guilds look for good HA people. Ask for some builds at Heroes Ascent and some good advice there. Raise ure fame rank and u will get into good gvg guilds.

Icy The Mage · Jan 24, 2009, 12:55 AM // 00:55

General GvG Guide to get you started.
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10172205

Warrior guide on QQ forums if your'e interested in frontlining; still good information to know regarldess
http://www.teamquitter.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3484

Some information on guild halls:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s....php?t=3053974

Apart from these links, there are also several other good guides on getting started or refining your GvG prowess, as well as your PvP style in general. I suggest you read a few. Do some RA with builds that you think you're going to run in GvG as well.

weretoad · Jan 24, 2009, 02:51 AM // 02:51

i too have the same problem, been playing for long time (3 years i think next month) but have always been into pve (delving into a random RA or AB which i'm both good at) now that pve is a lol feast that takes no skill and becomes really boring title/cash grinding i was think of joining a gvg guild. Another problem i face is i am strongly against swear words so if i got a vent (i do have a mic) i believe frequent and loud swearing would follow. do you think i could post a pvp guild request for a no swearing guild?

Seraphim of Chaos · Jan 24, 2009, 03:19 AM // 03:19

Join kisu? I personally don't know what they do there, but they let noobs gvg.

valence · Jan 24, 2009, 07:37 AM // 07:37

It's sad how crowded some of the PvE areas are and then you read 'PvP is dieing'. The truth is the transition between PvE to PvP is very hard to overcome.

Main reason: network/friends.

In order to PvP you need people to play with. Just look how many potential PvP players GW has when looking at AB / RA. But whereas in AB/RA 1 person is the team (ab tab invite) and GvG/HA you need to know 7 others you walk into a dead end.

Ok that was my personal rant on 'the game is dieing'. Now some tips.

Getting into a guild, friend list.
-Get to know people. Either from RA/AB/TA/HA but make friends. Friends = PvP.
-Be social, accept criticism. Be ready to learn. This should show you are willing to improve.
-Do NOT be shy. Ask people if you can add them to your fl for some PvP after a ra run. Most people will accept it even if the skill-level is of a great difference, most people will say yes.
-Try and join a guild. Get some experience on general things. If the guild is bad, well, experience is experience. There are lots of guilds new and taking on unranked players. This might be harder for americans, it seems they bought the game solely for PvE.
-If you can't find a guild and you've exhausted all other ways (for example, don't be shy to ask your newly made 'friends' if they know any guild, maybe you get lucky and join theirs).
-Put your ign/profile up in the 'player looking for guilds' section, always worth the shot.
-Don't be afraid to talk. The mic is there for a reason.
-KiSu is a nice initiative to help new players their way into gvg. It tries to guide you and make friends along the way who are in the same situation. If you have friends already play with them first. It's a game, best enjoyed with people you like. But then again, if you are new to PvP and don't know any others who want to get into it, KiSu surely has a spot for you.

The main issue I feel new players have, is that they are too shy. Show yourself and you will get there.

Some tips for improvement (either with your team or as individual):
-Your interface is nothing. The field is everything.
-To expand on that. The interface is just a tool, everything what you see there is just to give some information. The screen, where the action happens is what matters. I beleave having no field-awareness (being able to see what happens around you) is the number 1 reason people do not improve. The interface is most often then not the cause, people tunnelvision themself into the hud which is a really a bad thing. Ofcourse the information given by the interface is a huge factor and should never be neglected. However the information it relays gets nullified to below 0 if you don't have any field awareness. Learn to watch the field, do not tunnelvision into the hud.
-Try and hang on a single profession once you've chosen what you like. If you're new just try a few you might like, and stick to one. Get to know the ins and outs of that character and how it plays.
-Positioning is of a great importance in this game. However this is more of an experience thing but usually you can tell how good somebody is just by the mere factor where he stands.
-Do NOT blame others. You lost, what could YOU have done to improve upon that match.
-Be social. Accept tips. Be open for criticism. You are new to PvP, you gonna be bad. The more you are open for improvement the faster you get better. Browse forums for topics, as they generally contain information that is valid. Not everybody give the right advice.
-Obs your failures, try and understand what to improve. Tactical mistakes? Discuss them with your team. A team of awesomeness is nothingness if it cannot deploy a single strat.
-Don't be afraid to copy a build. If your team is relatively new, you just don't have a full understanding of building your own build. Keep those awesome omega ideas for later, get a general understanding first.

I think that are the most general tips I can come up with right now. Surely others can expand/correct it.

weretoad · Jan 24, 2009, 08:14 PM // 20:14

as the OP will probly ask ( and i want to know too) what is kisu

Still Number One · Jan 24, 2009, 10:33 PM // 22:33

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Originally Posted by weretoad

as the OP will probly ask ( and i want to know too) what is kisu

teamlove.us

Team Love [kiSu] was started in December 2007 as part of the Big Brother program proposed by Axiom over at the Team Quitter forums. The primary purpose of Team Love is to help build the Guild Wars PvP community through mentoring of players at all different levels of play. Since starting the project in December 2007, our guilds have done over 2500 GvGs and mentored hundreds of players.

The entry level guild of Kisu is Virtual Love which I believe requires you to win ten matches in a row in RA in order to play the position you want in gvg and makes you write a match report to understand gvg. Kisu is basically a group of guilds created to help get players into pvp, or players already active in pvp into the next level.

For example, Virtual is for people who want to start gvging but have little to no experience.

Casual is for players who have a good amount of experience and would like to break into mid level gvgs. (around rank 300-500)

Team love is the big one which is run by billiard and is designed to push players with the potential to be top gvger's to reach that potential.

I've never been in Kisu myself but I know a few of the longtime members. Despite being a mentor guild, kisu is pretty much like any other guild. They still can only play 8 players at a time and its not like they can afford to have 100 people in the guild all wanting to gvg all the time. So the whole hey im new to gvg help me, oh go join kisu thing is kinda old.

Basically if you want to get into gvg you are just going to have to find a gvg guild looking to take on anyone, and just be prepared to suffer a ton of losses until you learn what you are doing. Eventually if you stick with it you will get lucky and meet some people who will give you a chance at actually organized gvg where you can really start to improve your skill.

Like someone said earlier, just don't be shy. You said you like AB and RA so get to know people who seem to be pretty good and know what they are doing. Try to obs a ton of matches and get to know guilds. A lot of better players will guest for crap guilds if they have nothing to do. GvG is a lot of fun and because American times are so dead, a lot of people hardly get to play it anymore.

Find a guild, get experience, try to meet more experienced players, ask them to guest for you, and hopefully they can teach you some things and improve your game. And the worst that can happen is they act like a jerk about it and say no, but then you really wouldn't want to play with people like that anyway regardless of skill level.

FoxBat · Jan 29, 2009, 03:22 AM // 03:22

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Originally Posted by Still Number One

Despite being a mentor guild, kisu is pretty much like any other guild. They still can only play 8 players at a time and its not like they can afford to have 100 people in the guild all wanting to gvg all the time.

Seems they are pretty far from having even 8 wanting to gvg all the time atm, match reports are relatively infrequent and you spot guests on the list when they do.

Syntonic · Jan 29, 2009, 05:02 PM // 17:02

There are plenty of lower ranked guilds still out there that may be willing to try you out provided you are a decent/good player. Half of them are smurfs, the others are filled with players not playing seriously enough or just plain bad. Then again, a lot of people would argue that most of the guilds still playing are bad but regardless, it's still a door that you can use. Just don't expect to get far with them since it's probably not what they are about. If you want to be more competitive, you have to steer your own way there. With a dying/dead/been dead game, a lot more people should be more willing to give you a try. Disappoint too much and you'll spend a lot of time guild hopping and building a bad reputation as a person that people don't really like but might guest anyway because they desperately need an eighth person to play. Granted, you can get pretty far with hero smiteway these days so you may be still out of luck.

Keep in mind what other people said though. You can make a few good contacts even in AB.

Still Number One · Jan 29, 2009, 07:57 PM // 19:57

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Originally Posted by FoxBat

Seems they are pretty far from having even 8 wanting to gvg all the time atm, match reports are relatively infrequent and you spot guests on the list when they do.

I know that team love seems to always be guesting people, but this thread is about starting gvg which doesn't qualify the OP for team love. It qualifies him for virtual. Whether they need more players or not I do not know. Was just trying to point out that it is pretty annoying seeing everyone's answer to this question being, join KiSu. If the hundreds of people told to join KiSu all tried joining, it would simply not be possible. Therefore I was pointing out simply telling someone to just join KiSu and all problems are solved is stupid, and was trying to give more ideas to help.

lutz · Jan 29, 2009, 09:10 PM // 21:10

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Originally Posted by valence

Some tips for improvement (either with your team or as individual):
-Your interface is nothing. The field is everything. Actually quite the opposite. Your radar is the most important thing.
-To expand on that. The interface is just a tool, everything what you see there is just to give some information. The screen, where the action happens is what matters. I beleave having no field-awareness (being able to see what happens around you) is the number 1 reason people do not improve. The interface is most often then not the cause, people tunnelvision themself into the hud which is a really a bad thing. Ofcourse the information given by the interface is a huge factor and should never be neglected. However the information it relays gets nullified to below 0 if you don't have any field awareness. Learn to watch the field, do not tunnelvision into the hud. Having radar awareness is probably 300x better than having field awareness. Of course, you should have both.
-Try and hang on a single profession once you've chosen what you like. If you're new just try a few you might like, and stick to one. Get to know the ins and outs of that character and how it plays.

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*lemming* · Feb 01, 2009, 03:06 PM // 15:06

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Originally Posted by FoxBat

Seems they are pretty far from having even 8 wanting to gvg all the time atm, match reports are relatively infrequent and you spot guests on the list when they do.

You can't throw eight new people together and expect them to magically get better.

Div · Feb 02, 2009, 09:48 AM // 09:48

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Originally Posted by tehlemming

You can't throw eight new people together and expect them to magically get better.

You also can't throw eight new people with big egos together and expect them to play at all without raging each other out

What Now · Feb 03, 2009, 06:00 AM // 06:00

Any GvG guild that asks for fame you can see failing on Obs all the time. Before I even had fame and was addicted to stand I met teams who all had a tiger/phoenix at stand and we rickrolled them. Associate less please. Channel tanking doesn't make you good and neither does thinking heroes are reliable.

Tbh I love GvG but the games dead, all you'll really fight is amazing guilds smurfs or gimmick guilds except for a few serious guilds trying to get into GvG. It's a bit late to try...but if you want find a team that doesn't mind failing and trying again day after day, you'll start winning trust me don't just give up though.

Fanta · Feb 04, 2009, 12:38 AM // 00:38

Type "Guild Wars GvG" in google. Then start reading your findings. After that, take what you learned and watch observer mode. Then go, "oh it all makes sense now." Then make friends with decent players (disclaimer: might be hard to do if you lack social skills or aren't cool in general). Good luck!

Sun Fired Blank · Feb 04, 2009, 01:03 AM // 01:03

Ignore the rank. Focus more on your playing. Start by reading up on the map rotation for Heroes' Ascent and the various guild halls for Guild versus Guild. Alliance Battles are a great place to practice movement and perception.

A good trick for Alliance Battles is to explicitly ask macro questions: What is every group's composition? Where is every group on the map? What is the next destination for every group? Which groups are presently skirmishing? Which groups have finished skirmishing, and who won the skirmish? If two groups are close to skirmishing, which group is likely to win? Another trick is to practice working outside of a four-person group. Split frequently, defend shrines, and reinforce other groups instead of simply capturing shrines. Push groups of position, have your monks and other defensive midliners pursue damage. These skills are all hugely important for success in higher-level GvG, and they're really easy to practice in AB, which is for the most part a relaxed endeavor.

EDIT: HB is also a great place to practice these skills, and it helps to play AB on Ventrilo / TS, the same way that you would play GvG, HA, or TA. It's an excellent way to communicate, it puts you in contact with other vent-capable people, and it lets you practice filtering of unnecessary information. If you even want, you can run various spike oriented builds (Warrior, Ranger, ___, Monk) and practice calling spikes.

D A R K S O I F O N · Mar 04, 2009, 02:54 AM // 02:54

If you are a pve player and you are considering on moving towards more of a competative play (pvp) then consider these options.

1)

Can you follow a sync spike( E.G. Blood spike)

2) Can u follow the callers instructions and playing style and adjust to the team style rather then ur own????

If you have never done pvp yet alone gvg it will take some time to adjust yet there are so many teams that do gvg but are horibble in followin the caller or even playing in general.

the_jos · Mar 04, 2009, 12:11 PM // 12:11

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Originally Posted by weretoad

Another problem i face is i am strongly against swear words so if i got a vent (i do have a mic) i believe frequent and loud swearing would follow. do you think i could post a pvp guild request for a no swearing guild?

Let me tell you this.
In the heat things people will swear.
It's something you have to accept up to a certain level I guess.
For example, I have my vent on key-activation.
The moment you hear me bitch or swear it's because it's something I want to express my feelings to my team. You won't hear the bad language when I messed up and am just yelling at my screen. But both cases are quite rare.

For me there is a huge difference between some swearing when things go wrong and an endless stream of bad language.
Constant bad language and talking down on people usually isn't helping a guild getting better.

You could just try to find a guild that has some rules and regulations on recruitment. Several of the guilds I know have a long 'wish-list' and have a chat with people before they actually join.
Since you want to be in a PvP guild I'd say just ask to join them on vent for that chat and if you are not sure just ask if you can listen in on one (or several) of their matches.

Make sure your new guild understands that you don't like swearing.
But don't emphasise it too much.
And, just to give you some food for thought.... Why is it that important for you that others don't swear (not talking about people who's entire vocabulary consists of offending words). Would you stay in PvE for it or would you switch to PvP if it happened like 5 times/evening and only when things went very wrong?

tigros · Mar 04, 2009, 01:30 PM // 13:30

The first question you need to ask yourself is what do you want to accomplish by switching to PvP or starting to do PvP as well, alongside PvE. Do you want to play competitively and reach a certain skill/rank level? Do you want to play for fun and just improve your player skills (useful in PvE as well)? What are you willing to do to achieve the respective goal you've set for yourself?

If you want to keep leading your current PvE guild, but in the same time you want to get PvP experience, an idea would be to buy yourself a second account with the PvP unlock, or simply the PvP pack and you unlock things as you move along. I was in the same situation when I started PvP, I couldn't see why people had more than 1 account, for me it seemed a waste of time/resources. Now I own 4 accounts, simply because it gives me the freedom to be a part of various guilds and play various things and enjoy my GW experience, be it in PvE or PvP.

If you want to start playing competitively and improve your skills as a player, I suggest you start observing top GvG games, copy builds from there and practice them in RA. You could also join kiSu, but one of their entry requirements is exactly this: 10 consecutive wins in RA with a GvG build for the profession you plan to play with in competitive PvP.

If you do this (RA, TA, AB, and even HA if you can find groups, but it's hard) it would make things easier for you to get into entry level guilds, since most people do give some value to titles. Even though they do not tell you how good an individual is, it at least gives you the idea about how much time that person spent in PvP aspects of the game (be it arenas or HA or even AB).

Once you have a little more experience, you can check out recruitment threads here and on other forums and can try to get into guilds that focus on PvP (with your second account, if that's how you decided to do it, or your main if you decide to split from your PvE guild). You can also try to create a new guild in your alliance and check in there how many people would be willing to start from scratch with PvP and then start it from there, invite some guests to help you and and practice as you learn.

There's lots of ways you can do this as long as you have a specific goal in mind and you work to achieve it.

Best of luck!