Curse

zling · Mar 12, 2009, 09:00 PM // 21:00

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Originally Posted by moriz

^ what he said. not to mention, a warrior's bull's strike is almost always an auto 100 damage hit. combine that with 3 sec KD and you'll realize that it will outweigh whatever advantage a R/W RaO axe can give you... assuming you can land it..

3 sec kd? I really hope you meant 2

and wait, did you just say auto 100 damage hit with bull's? what???
lets see, axe at 14 crits at 59 if I'm not mistaken(just below the 60 cap for SB) add like 20 from bull's and you got 79. 79!=100 you know, and that's assuming 60 armor squishie...

yes Ranger will be missing stonefist but it will still be efficient enough at that. it will have better survivability and better energy management(when compared to PR not WE) though to compromise for that, and a pet for extra damage/conditions/interrupts(if you know how to use your pet properly that is)

now I'm not saying PR is baed, RaO Axe is good or whatever. just saying it's not as black and white as you're trying to make it seem...

Rebel Zero · Mar 12, 2009, 09:16 PM // 21:16

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Originally Posted by zling

3 sec kd? I really hope you meant 2

and wait, did you just say auto 100 damage hit with bull's? what???
lets see, axe at 14 crits at 59 if I'm not mistaken(just below the 60 cap for SB) add like 20 from bull's and you got 79. 79!=100 you know, and that's assuming 60 armor squishie...

Normal KDs are 2s, and every warrior with half a brain runs with a stonefist insig making them all 3s. Bulls Strike can hit for well over 100 by the way. You forgot to factor in armor penetration, and probably the added crit bonus depending on the opponents positioning.

Um Yeah · Mar 12, 2009, 09:24 PM // 21:24

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Originally Posted by zling

3 sec kd? I really hope you meant 2

and wait, did you just say auto 100 damage hit with bull's? what???
lets see, axe at 14 crits at 59 if I'm not mistaken(just below the 60 cap for SB) add like 20 from bull's and you got 79. 79!=100 you know, and that's assuming 60 armor squishie...

yes Ranger will be missing stonefist but it will still be efficient enough at that. it will have better survivability and better energy management(when compared to PR not WE) though to compromise for that, and a pet for extra damage/conditions/interrupts(if you know how to use your pet properly that is)

now I'm not saying PR is baed, RaO Axe is good or whatever. just saying it's not as black and white as you're trying to make it seem...

No he meant 3.
@13 strength, bulls=+25. 59+25+13% armor pen= 114 dmg. Unless I miscalculated, then meh, it'll still be close enough to 100.

Oh yes, 14e min cost for a skill you have to use every 10s is such good e management. Also, PR warrs don't really need emanagement. Anyone who thinks they really need a zealous wep anytime besides right after they're rezzed is bad. 70AL vs 100AL (against phy) is so much better survivability.

R/W's do shit for damage/pressure compared to warrs. Yes, it is that black and white.

Phe Belladona · Mar 12, 2009, 09:26 PM // 21:26

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Originally Posted by zling

3 sec kd? I really hope you meant 2

and wait, did you just say auto 100 damage hit with bull's? what???
lets see, axe at 14 crits at 59 if I'm not mistaken(just below the 60 cap for SB) add like 20 from bull's and you got 79. 79!=100 you know, and that's assuming 60 armor squishie...

yes Ranger will be missing stonefist but it will still be efficient enough at that. it will have better survivability and better energy management(when compared to PR not WE) though to compromise for that, and a pet for extra damage/conditions/interrupts(if you know how to use your pet properly that is)

now I'm not saying PR is baed, RaO Axe is good or whatever. just saying it's not as black and white as you're trying to make it seem...

oh for goodness sake you really playing the number crunching game?? 59 with 13% armour penetration +27 i think thats gonna be about 100damage, also you should have been hit by bulls at some point so i dont know why i have to explain this to you as you KNOW it hits for over 100 -.- i cant stand ppl that will deliberately lower their intelligence just so they can blindly continue to argue something they know is rubbish. and stonefist makes it a 3sec KD i mean come on, just stop it!

when i (someone who hasnt played warrior ever) is explaining warrior basics to someone splattering their oppinion on warriors everywhere you do need to wonder..

zling · Mar 12, 2009, 09:36 PM // 21:36

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Originally Posted by Um Yeah

No he meant 3.
@13 strength, bulls=+25. 59+25+13% armor pen= approx. 92 dmg. Close enough.

Oh yes, 14e min cost for a skill you have to use every 10s is such good e management. Also, PR warrs don't really need emanagement. Anyone who thinks they really need a zealous wep anytime besides right after they're rezzed is bad. 70AL vs 100AL (against phy) is so much better survivability.

R/W's do shit for damage/pressure compared to warrs. Yes, it is that black and white.

sorry forgot about the Strength's AP

but anyway, you know as well as I do that Rangers have higher survivability, and no it's not about the armor... ever wondered why Crip Shot was so popular? especially for splitting? yes it can cripple, poison and is very hard to kill, why? because of awsome skills like [lightning reflexes] as well as self condition removal, be it [mending touch], [antidote signet], [purge signet] or something else. also when comparing Ranger to PR War in terms of survivability you need to remember that PR has the same [frenzy] effect so if you're stuck in PR with no adren to cancel with rush(yeah yeah you're a 1337 War that never gets to that situation, blahblahblah) than you are very vulnerable...

again I'm not saying RaO Axe is good or anything, just saying it's not as bad as you're trying to make of it...

Um Yeah · Mar 12, 2009, 09:40 PM // 21:40

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Originally Posted by zling

sorry forgot about the Strength's AP

but anyway, you know as well as I do that Rangers have higher survivability, and no it's not about the armor... ever wondered why Crip Shot was so popular? especially for splitting? yes it can cripple, poison and is very hard to kill, why? because of awsome skills like [lightning reflexes] as well as self condition removal, be it [mending touch], [antidote signet], [purge signet] or something else. also when comparing Ranger to PR War in terms of survivability you need to remember that PR has the same [frenzy] effect so if you're stuck in PR with no adren to cancel with rush(yeah yeah you're a 1337 War that never gets to that situation, blahblahblah) than you are very vulnerable...

again I'm not saying RaO Axe is good or anything, just saying it's not as bad as you're trying to make of it...

Well obviously that's why rangers are good at splitting but does RaO R/W use any of those skills? And if you do get into the situation you described, you run awayyyyyyyy or get PS'd.

zling · Mar 12, 2009, 09:46 PM // 21:46

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Originally Posted by Um Yeah

Well obviously that's why rangers are good at splitting but does RaO R/W use any of those skills? And if you do get into the situation you described, you run awayyyyyyyy or get PS'd.

RaOs do use [lightning reflexes] and sometimes [antidote signet] as well... and running away/getting protted doesn't say anything about survivability... going into a hypothetical situation, just like you, I will counter with: you get KDed/snared while PR locked hence you can't run, and as soon as you get PSed you also get enchantment removal on you, so...

but heck, this thread isnt about RaOs so lets forget about all these hypothetical situations

Tearz1993 · Mar 12, 2009, 10:01 PM // 22:01

Warriors can choose their secondary (hard res, shock, conjure, shadow step), they have an extra second on their bull's strike, which definitely makes a difference in longer matches, and they have an adrenaline-based speed boost incase they need to cancel primal / frenzy.

With rangers they get a 30 sec recharge 10 energy block skill without IMS. That IAS is nice, but you lose your speed boost. Even if RaO axe pumps out more damage (it doesnt afaik but whatever) there are still reasons to use a warrior.

imo ^

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Originally Posted by zling

going into a hypothetical situation, just like you, I will counter with: you get KDed/snared while PR locked hence you can't run, and as soon as you get PSed you also get enchantment removal on you, so...

For the snares, use a spear to get the adren. It's only 4. As for the kd, you really shouldn't be going into PR if a warrior is nearby unless you have a cancel stance.

And how is this different from a ranger? [lightning reflexes] has a 30 second recharge time.

Tyla · Mar 12, 2009, 10:01 PM // 22:01

PR has a speedboost. Speedboost will aid kiting against projectiles and potential melee-based threats. I just used it defensively despite its little "double damage" clause! Surprisingly enough, the risk is sometimes worth the reward.

Asplode · Mar 12, 2009, 11:42 PM // 23:42

The contents of this thread manifested an actual, visceral nausea in me.

Surge goes pre · Mar 12, 2009, 11:55 PM // 23:55

looks like a QQ thread about primal rage.... get over it

NeHoMaR · Mar 13, 2009, 12:34 AM // 00:34

Well, everytime I see people "crying" for overpower, I make myself the overpowered build as soon as possible to "exploit" it. (I don't care if people cry and call me brainless, lol)

Anyway, sorry for make this thread a RaO vs PR discussion (or a ridiculous comparison of bull's strike) wasn't my intention.

The 99% of my play time the last 365 days was in PvP, I see a lot of PR warriors out there, and in my very personal opinion, that build just sucks! the classic Eviscerate Shock warrior is by far superior.

Seraphim of Chaos · Mar 13, 2009, 12:47 AM // 00:47

people don't understand that evis is a RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing joke now. 8 adrenaline deep wound doesn't fly

IMMORTAlMITCH · Mar 13, 2009, 07:37 AM // 07:37

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Originally Posted by NeHoMaR

in my very personal opinion, that build just sucks! the classic Eviscerate Shock warrior is by far superior.

I respect your opinion, but it's wrong.

Whenitrainsitpours · Mar 13, 2009, 10:05 AM // 10:05

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Originally Posted by NeHoMaR

Well, everytime I see people "crying" for overpower, I make myself the overpowered build as soon as possible to "exploit" it. (I don't care if people cry and call me brainless, lol)

Anyway, sorry for make this thread a RaO vs PR discussion (or a ridiculous comparison of bull's strike) wasn't my intention.

The 99% of my play time the last 365 days was in PvP, I see a lot of PR warriors out there, and in my very personal opinion, that build just sucks! the classic Eviscerate Shock warrior is by far superior.

You can have your own opinion but since your opinion isn't supported by anything other than "RaO>PR", nobody cares.

Whenitrainsitpours · Mar 13, 2009, 10:10 AM // 10:10

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Originally Posted by Seraphim of Chaos

people don't understand that evis is a RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing joke now. 8 adrenaline deep wound doesn't fly

Eviscerate is not even worth it however the WE build is easily suspectible to Shield Bash/Diversion if they time it right. Yes, all are other bars are suspectible to it, however not all bars spam 2 skills for main damage.

As for WE being overpowered, you may say so however warriors also only have 3 builds in the GvG meta:

Shock Axe
Warrior's Endurance
Magehunter's or Dev Hammer

If WE gets PRaged, Shock Axe/Magehunter's which means the meta is extremely primitive after we've gotten a taste of a buffed PRage.

Divinus Stella · Mar 13, 2009, 10:55 AM // 10:55

Phe knows more about getting hit by bulls strike than anyone else in the game.

I'd like to see this RoA bar that has enough room for axe attack skills, pet interrupt skills, the 2 standard useless pet charm and comfort then lightning reflex and antidote signet.

IMMORTAlMITCH · Mar 13, 2009, 10:57 AM // 10:57

Crippling Slash

pigdestroyer · Mar 13, 2009, 01:52 PM // 13:52

this thread is amazing, please more opinions from brave PVE/RANDOMARENA/AB PLAYERS

Zabe · Mar 13, 2009, 02:07 PM // 14:07

Wasnt there the IQ test joke in entering Guru last april fools day? Can't we just add it to Gladiators Arena so you get writing rights if you pass the test?