Curse

Jeydra · Apr 01, 2009, 12:33 PM // 12:33

@FoxBat: good points, just want to respond to this though:

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Originally Posted by FoxBat

Removing aftercast will bring bring SP-style sins back near 100%. We have the same off-dual-off-dual combos thanks to falling lotus. I don't think nuetering the offhand skips is the way to go here.

I'm not so sure. Original SP sins had it all: shadowstep, IAS, Deep Wound, Blades of Steel. Drop the aftercast from Shadow Prison now and you still can't have the Deep Wound (Black Spider -> HotO -> Falling Lotus -> BoS / Twisting). This is far from ideal; I doubt it can instakill someone, especially with HotO damage reduction. The other Shadow Prison build will be buffed though (Black Mantis -> Jungle Strike -> Trampling -> Falling Lotus -> Twisting), which is good, since I've not seen it for quite a while. Sin chains are largely Palm Strike based, else Wastrel's Collapse, with very occasionally someone playing Grenth's Grasp or similar.

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Originally Posted by distilledwill

I probably wouldnt mind too much about the other changes but changing coward to 3 adrenaline would make Coward Sins in HB pretty much unstoppable. Even through Guardian they would probably work up enough adren to use it fairly quickly and then its just spamety spam spam.
Both Coward! and You're all Alone! are heavily used in HB.

I know, but how else would you change Coward! so that it's usable outside of HB? There're lots of Warrior elites living on the fringes right now, eg:

1. Primal Rage. Sees play occasionally. Not sure whether to touch this one.
2. Eviscerate. Normally sees the most play except everyone's using Warrior's Endurance.
3. You're All Alone!. Nobody uses this except flaggers (and HBers).
4. Coward!. Nobody uses this except HBers.
5. Rage of the Ntouka. Nobody uses this except in byob or something for perma-Rush.

I think making Coward Sins stronger in HB might be a good thing even, since capwars are so no fun to obs. This HB mAT finals is just boring to watch two people try to outcap each other.

Ec]-[oMaN · Apr 01, 2009, 12:54 PM // 12:54

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Originally Posted by Jeydra

Warrior's Endurance I agree is overpowered right now, but reverting it back to a stance kills it. I'd rather nerf it such that it's still an option but does not dominate Eviscerate (which I consider as a standard of balance for Warrior elites). So either increase cooldown to, say, 40s (= 10s downtime) or to decrease the energy gained per attack.

Peace and Harmony not nerfed enough in my opinion. It's still the death of a variety of hex and condition builds (eg. Crippling Anguish, BHA, Migraine ...). I say increase case time to 3/4s as well.

Restore Condition: Removes all conditions, which makes it impossible to keep a condition there no matter how much you cover it. Therefore: cap conditions removed at 3. Should not affect the skill much, since you normally don't have 3+ conditions to remove.

Foul Feast: In addition to Echo's changes above, cap conditions removed at 3 ala RC above.

Draw Conditions: See above. Cap conditions removed at 3.

Warriors endurance, could do those changes, frankly anything sort of tweak would be better than what it is now. Abit toned down at least

PnH probably needs further tweaks agreed. It's kind of a toss up because since PNH has been buffed other sources of hexes have also increased in power.

I really like the limit of condi's on the draws and RC tbh, I was thinking about this after I made the post, great idea. I just wish for a few updates skills we could have a toning down of the current power levels and work from there. None of this tweak to all the skills listed just to have another 10+ skills see a buff automatically making those new choices better.