Curse

Potential Murder · Apr 02, 2009, 05:02 PM // 17:02

I'm looking for a PvP build including [Way of the Assassin]/[Way of the Master] and the A/E one on PvX doesn't really grab me. Currently my bar is looking something to the effect of:

[Way of the Assassin][Critical Defenses][Critical Eye]

The secondary remains unused and if daggers aren't the most efficient weapon for spiking/status effects then [Way of the Master] can always be subbed in for crits and the appropriate mastery attributes pumped up. The amount of critical strikes should maintain energy well for a rush, defense is covered by [Critical Defenses] leaving 4 slots to have healing and damaging skills in assuming one slot is for a ress signet or hard ress.

I contemplated going /N and having things like [Vampiric Touch] and other touch skills to heal myself if needed (straight damage is always a plus) and letting the daggers do the work but after considering it again, it does seem a little flawed.

Any suggestions?

Not A Trapper · Apr 02, 2009, 05:11 PM // 17:11

I hope you are not serious.

Vampiric touch as a healing skill /facepalm.

Bobby2 · Apr 02, 2009, 05:19 PM // 17:19

[critical defenses][vampiric touch] < [whirling defense][vampiric touch]

cwutididthar

Potential Murder · Apr 02, 2009, 05:24 PM // 17:24

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Originally Posted by Bobby2

[critical defenses][vampiric touch] < [whirling defense][vampiric touch]

cwutididthar

O.o 60 second cooldown is good since when? And where the hell is the sin part in all of this? At least critical defenses can refresh itself regularly and leaves room for an IAS stance o.o;

Covah · Apr 02, 2009, 05:34 PM // 17:34

< = less than. He is saying a R/N toucher is waaaaaay better then a sin using blood magic. Why in hell would you spend 15e to heal yourself 50hp? and lol @ daggers not being enough to kill something.

Xsiriss · Apr 02, 2009, 05:39 PM // 17:39

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Originally Posted by Potential Murder

O.o 60 second cooldown is good since when? And where the hell is the sin part in all of this? At least critical defenses can refresh itself regularly and leaves room for an IAS stance o.o;

husssssh, you were talking about a toucher sin.... you don't get a say in things now.

zling · Apr 02, 2009, 05:58 PM // 17:58

he meant Touch Ranger>Touch Sin but honestly both FAIL...
meh, a Sin that cant kill its target is a FAIL, and with so many support skills you wont be killing anything, so...

Still Number One · Apr 02, 2009, 06:12 PM // 18:12

I hear PvE is fun and exciting!!!!

in all seriousness, if you aren't a troll and seriously are looking for suggestions, you might want to specify what from of PvP you are looking for. If it's AB or RA, run anything who cares. If it's GvG, HA, or TA, your dumb. If it's competetive missions, see answer to AB and RA. If it's HB, who cares???

Potential Murder · Apr 02, 2009, 06:14 PM // 18:14

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Originally Posted by Covah

< = less than. He is saying a R/N toucher is waaaaaay better then a sin using blood magic. Why in hell would you spend 15e to heal yourself 50hp? and lol @ daggers not being enough to kill something.

A) Didn't know that's what he meant. I just thought he meant that [Whirling Defense] > [Critical Defenses] and not suggesting a new build altogether. Again, it's was a theory and I've never looked into the whole toucher thing because most classes that are so close to use it have better damage skills than touch skills.

B) It's not that daggers are useless, it's just that I find the whole system constricting and was wondering if a toucher/non-dagger assassin would work better. Sins tend to be very systematic and dagger skills have a tendency to go 1 --> 2 --> 3 --> 4 and hope you don't get screwed in the middle of it. Hence, seeking for a different use for the class which would be more diverse, though I'm sure I'm not the first to think this either

ac1inferno · Apr 02, 2009, 06:21 PM // 18:21

[[Way of the Master]:

[build prof=a/d crit=12+1+1 scythe=12][wounding strike][eremite's attack][mystic sweep][optional][dash][assassin's remedy][way of the master][resurrection signet][/build]
- [[Critical [email protected]]
- [[Crippling [email protected]]
- [[Victorious [email protected]]
- [[Malicious [email protected]]

[[Way of the Assassin]:

[build prof=Assassin/Paragon DaggerMaster=12+1+1 CriticalStrikes=12+1 Command=3]["Find Their Weakness!"][Way of the Assassin][Leaping Mantis Sting][Jungle Strike][Horns of the Ox][Falling Lotus Strike][Blades of Steel][Dash][/build]

Gift3d · Apr 02, 2009, 06:26 PM // 18:26

So many pompous schmucks in here, it's disgusting.

[way of the assassin][golden fox strike][wild strike][death blossom][twisting fangs][critical defenses][critical eye][resurrection signet]

seems like it'd work. wild strike for unblockable, go through chain with blossom then follow wild with twisting when it's recharged. i don't think critical eye is needed at all so you could throw in... shadow refuge or something like that if you really want self healing.

Potential Murder · Apr 02, 2009, 07:09 PM // 19:09

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Originally Posted by ac1inferno

[[Way of the Master]:

[build prof=a/d crit=12+1+1 scythe=12][wounding strike][eremite's attack][mystic sweep][optional][dash][assassin's remedy][way of the master][resurrection signet][/build]
- [[Critical [email protected]]
- [[Crippling [email protected]]
- [[Victorious [email protected]]
- [[Malicious [email protected]]

[[Way of the Assassin]:

[build prof=Assassin/Paragon DaggerMaster=12+1+1 CriticalStrikes=12+1 Command=3]["Find Their Weakness!"][Way of the Assassin][Leaping Mantis Sting][Jungle Strike][Horns of the Ox][Falling Lotus Strike][Blades of Steel][Dash][/build]

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Originally Posted by Gift3d

So many pompous schmucks in here, it's disgusting.

[way of the assassin][golden fox strike][wild strike][death blossom][twisting fangs][critical defenses][critical eye][resurrection signet]

seems like it'd work. wild strike for unblockable, go through chain with blossom then follow wild with twisting when it's recharged. i don't think critical eye is needed at all so you could throw in... shadow refuge or something like that if you really want self healing.

Thanks a bunch guys! They seem like solid builds and I'll be looking forward to trying them out in-game. This also confirms my suspicions about [Way of the master] being weaker than it looks on paper, but I'll give it a shot anyway.

TheodenKing · Apr 02, 2009, 07:30 PM // 19:30

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Originally Posted by Still Number One

If it's GvG, HA, or TA, your dumb. If it's competetive missions, see answer to AB and RA.

Because you feel qualified to call the kid "dumb," I thought you might want to know how to spell "you're" and "competitive."

Rhamia Darigaz · Apr 02, 2009, 07:34 PM // 19:34

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Originally Posted by Gift3d

So many pompous schmucks in here, it's disgusting.

i don't think it's wise to imply that you think you are better than pompous people at the risk of sounding hypocritical and incorrect.

NotJustAnothaNinja · Apr 02, 2009, 07:53 PM // 19:53

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Originally Posted by Potential Murder

O.o 60 second cooldown is good since when? And where the hell is the sin part in all of this? At least critical defenses can refresh itself regularly and leaves room for an IAS stance o.o;

OMG, first of all he was mocking you, sheesh. And your idea of using a touch skill to heal you is just horrid. I'm pretty sure you should stop while your ahead. Take good advice, learn to detect sarcasm, and have a good life.

Still Number One · Apr 02, 2009, 09:41 PM // 21:41

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Originally Posted by TheodenKing

Because you feel qualified to call the kid "dumb," I thought you might want to know how to spell "you're" and "competitive."

Thanks almighty master of grammar. I love you.

iVendetta · Apr 02, 2009, 09:51 PM // 21:51

Taking [[Critical Eye] in a [[Way of the Assassin] build is an overkill. Don't you think a 50% chance (assuming you have 15 Critical Strikes) is enough to score a critical hit within the time frame of [[Critical Defenses]? Sub it out for something along the lines of [[Shadow Refuge] or [[Way of Perfection], and if you're feeling especially brave, you have a whole line of Dagger Mastery skills to choose from.

Also, [Vampiric Touch]?!

Rak Orgon of Beowulf · Apr 02, 2009, 10:02 PM // 22:02

everything above people said, and if you're talkin RA and TA, (not to mention GVG and HA but i dont know much about them) there is a lot of enchant removal flying around([rend enchantments] [rip enchantment] [rending touch] and many more) right now and you'll be lucky if [way of the master] last 15 seconds let alone the full 60. same with crit defenses.