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TheHaxor · Feb 26, 2009, 06:51 PM // 18:51

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Originally Posted by arienrhode

i lost to a teaseway haxor was in last night, suppose i should either be uninstalling or we weren't playing well.

It's not a teaseway. We are teaseway!
lol

Edwards · Feb 27, 2009, 03:00 AM // 03:00

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Originally Posted by arienrhode

There are good players that play teaseway. Let's spare ourselves from the lol tombz, everyone is bad, etc. etc. shit...whether they are just competent players or a really good at abusing fotm's, they exist. I lost to a teaseway Haxor was in last night, suppose I should either be uninstalling or we weren't playing well.

True enough, you're right.

My point still stands though, because any reasonably viable build that's played well can and will win. If you're losing to teaseway purely because of buildwars, then you're probably either running something retarded or not playing very well.

Ate of DK · Feb 27, 2009, 03:08 AM // 03:08

Imo, 6 vs 6 was the worst idea ever, bringing it back is not a good idea.

Kyp Jade · Feb 27, 2009, 01:54 PM // 13:54

Most of the pvp only people have quit some time ago, if anet were looking to up the population of HA now, they would have to appeal to the pve playerbase.

That means 6v6 *AND* more pve rewards

and no I still wont play HA anymore

Killed u man · Feb 27, 2009, 04:59 PM // 16:59

Half the people posting here didn't even play before 6v6, or even during 6v6. I'm sure what they have to say is valid...

What is flawed about saying AI is overpowered?

I'll write it down, slowly and understandable, for you guys:

1) I concider myself a retired HA'er. I play maybe 1-2 runs each 2 days. The ONLY reason WHY I still play, is because Nick or Kyle needs that last slot filled, so I'm saving them alot of effort trying to find that last guy.

2) We ARE one of the best teams, maybe THE best team in HA. How does beating everything and everyone NOT make you best? My logic is flawed you say? I'm sorry, but if you can't stand the fact there is better people out there than you, well... Naah, I simply don't care, flame/quote me all you want. Any smart player will see the Michael Moore editing from a mile away.

3) HOW, for the love of god, is a Hero interrupting me on Infuse Health 3 times in a match not overpowered. WORSE even, HOW can you guys even blame it one the skills?
I hope you realize that by saying the "skills" are overpowered, you're essentially saying EVERY 1/4 second cast interrupt is overpowered. And MY LOGIC IS FLAWED? A thousand internets for you my friends...

4) WHAT valid points has for Haxor? All I see is a wall of bullshit, without any core points, just trying to defend his Teaseway build. And then you guys saying I have no valid arguements? I'll write em down for you, cuz you guys clearly lack some comprehensive reading skills:

-AI doesn't belong in PvP. Bottom Line.
-AI is known to regularly interrupt 1/4's.
-AI "knows" who your targetting. They will Weapon of Shadow BEFORE the arrows you just shot hits your target.
-AI "knows" when, as a Warrior, you've selected them, and will start kiting away 1-2 meters before you even get to them. "Bullsing" heroes is not as simple as you make it seem. Against real players, you have the time to get next to them, and the bull's them WHEN they kite. With heroes the getting to them part is rather difficult.
-Hero AI + AoE skills = imbalanced. Few people seem to realize that a Hero will ONLY use certain skills (AoE) if it is going to hit XX amount of people. Give a hero Smite Condition and Smite Hex, and you'll see some big red numbers on the enemy team...
-Heroes are flawed in coding:
*They can drop items spells whilst KD'd. If you don't know this, you clearly never played Hammer Warriors against a Blind was Mingsong hero. VERY noticable in HB.
*They are known to cast spells whilst KD'd, OR whilst running. They are also known to cats a spell, EVEN TOUGH interrupted. (Zaishen style. IF ANYONE played PD here, you'll known what I'm talking about. Zaishen + Rez signet = occasional guaranteed rez)

How are these all individually not valid arguement?

I seriously would love to know the age of the people posting here. All you guys are doing is saying:

BORAT IS BAAADDDDD STOP LOOOSING TO HWAY.

and backing them up with self-fullfilling arguements such as:

YOURREA BAAAAD CUZ YOU LOOOSE TO HEROWAY AAAND YOU LOOSE TO HEROWAY CUZ YOU'RE BAD...

I would gues we got some early pubes posting here...

II Lucky Charm II · Feb 27, 2009, 06:05 PM // 18:05

This thread serves no useful purposes whatsoever. Most of us already know that it's hard as heck to change Anet's mind.

Ramod · Feb 27, 2009, 08:07 PM // 20:07

Did you just say You, Kyle and Nick are the best team in HA?

What a joke. LMFAO.

UnChosen · Feb 27, 2009, 08:23 PM // 20:23

HA is dead, the heroes are basically there so that pugs can form a team faster and still do reasonably well. As long as rank discrimination exist there will always be a fotm that the majority will go to.

Reverend Dr · Feb 27, 2009, 08:52 PM // 20:52

The existence of pugs is what is contributing to the downfall of HA. The more "reasonably well" that pug teams perform, the less guild teams are going to play. The less guild teams then the game becomes staler. Making HA more viable for pugs is going to kill the game further. Remember these pugs are people that aren't in a PvP guild, often times feel that they are owed something and that pvp should be completely adjusted to their playstyle, and are otherwise too braindead to take any initiative.

Then again, using "rank discrimination" as any type of argument for or against anything in HA is just moronic.

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This thread serves no useful purposes whatsoever. Most of us already know that it's hard as heck to change Anet's mind.

By this logic there is no message board that servers a useful purpose.

TheHaxor · Feb 28, 2009, 12:19 AM // 00:19

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

Half the people posting here didn't even play before 6v6, or even during 6v6. I'm sure what they have to say is valid...

Irrelevant... on top of that it is impossible to know how accurate your claim is. It looks pretty idiotic when people make up statistics and have no data to back them up.

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

What is flawed about saying AI is overpowered?

You are entitled to your opinion. The problem is that your arguments are poorly constructed.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Killed u man

I'll write it down, slowly and understandable, for you guys

It was already understandable. Your argument was poor and you came off as a whiny little bitch. I think everyone figured that one out.

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

1) I concider myself a retired HA'er. I play maybe 1-2 runs each 2 days. The ONLY reason WHY I still play, is because Nick or Kyle needs that last slot filled, so I'm saving them alot of effort trying to find that last guy.

2) We ARE one of the best teams, maybe THE best team in HA. How does beating everything and everyone NOT make you best? My logic is flawed you say? I'm sorry, but if you can't stand the fact there is better people out there than you, well... Naah, I simply don't care, flame/quote me all you want. Any smart player will see the Michael Moore editing from a mile away.

Not relevant and likely inaccurate. I've never changed any of your posts in any way. The idiocy is all yours.

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

I hope you realize that by saying the "skills" are overpowered, you're essentially saying EVERY 1/4 second cast interrupt is overpowered. And MY LOGIC IS FLAWED? A thousand internets for you my friends...

What??? Do you even read what I write? Hell, did you even read what you wrote?

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

4) WHAT valid points has for Haxor? All I see is a wall of bullshit, without any core points, just trying to defend his Teaseway build. And then you guys saying I have no valid arguements?

You have misinterpreted my place in this conversation. You post what you think because you're the one with the issue. I disagree with what you have written and post why. Is that really difficult to understand?

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

I'll write em down for you, cuz you guys clearly lack some comprehensive reading skills

This is ironic coming from you. My nephew is in 5th grade and he does a better job using the English language than you do. It only takes about 30 seconds worth of evaluation of your writing to realize you are an idiot.

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

-AI doesn't belong in PvP. Bottom Line.
-AI is known to regularly interrupt 1/4's.
-AI "knows" who your targetting. They will Weapon of Shadow BEFORE the arrows you just shot hits your target.
-AI "knows" when, as a Warrior, you've selected them, and will start kiting away 1-2 meters before you even get to them. "Bullsing" heroes is not as simple as you make it seem. Against real players, you have the time to get next to them, and the bull's them WHEN they kite. With heroes the getting to them part is rather difficult.
-Hero AI + AoE skills = imbalanced. Few people seem to realize that a Hero will ONLY use certain skills (AoE) if it is going to hit XX amount of people. Give a hero Smite Condition and Smite Hex, and you'll see some big red numbers on the enemy team...
-Heroes are flawed in coding:
*They can drop items spells whilst KD'd. If you don't know this, you clearly never played Hammer Warriors against a Blind was Mingsong hero. VERY noticable in HB.
*They are known to cast spells whilst KD'd, OR whilst running. They are also known to cats a spell, EVEN TOUGH interrupted. (Zaishen style. IF ANYONE played PD here, you'll known what I'm talking about. Zaishen + Rez signet = occasional guaranteed rez)

The following corresponds to the order of your bullets:
-AI is involved in every form of PvP in this game. I'm pretty sure that has not and will not change. How can you believe a statement that isn't even 10 words long is a strong argument? Nice joke.
-You can fix this issue without removing heroes. Honestly, I don't find it a big issue because I would actually rather teams have the infuse go through against us because it doesn't decrease the amount of pressure were putting on the team.
-Have you tried switching targets? They spam the shit out of their weapons. This is why you have to give them a bunch of big e-management skills to run the bar. Somehow they still manage to run out of energy.
-Heroes are god awful at kiting. Anyone who has played extensively with heroes would know this and agree with me. They aren't easy to bulls because they aren't human. They don't react the same way the typical human would. This is a rather simple concept. It takes some time to learn how they react.
-Yet they don't adapt their skill usage to the situation. They will play one way all the time. This is how they are programmed to play. They are hardly optimal in their skill usage. I have always been much more successful when I take a human smiter because they actually adapt to different situations.
-Dropping items when KD is an issue. This is something that should be fixed.
-I haven't seen this. I would guess this is due to lag on your end. If not, then it should be fixed.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Killed u man

I seriously would love to know the age of the people posting here. All you guys are doing is saying:

BORAT IS BAAADDDDD STOP LOOOSING TO HWAY.

and backing them up with self-fullfilling arguements such as:

YOURREA BAAAAD CUZ YOU LOOOSE TO HEROWAY AAAND YOU LOOSE TO HEROWAY CUZ YOU'RE BAD...

I would gues we got some early pubes posting here...

I'm a 21 year old college student majoring in Biochemistry. I am planning on going to medical school after I get my undergraduate degree. I think that is sufficient information about myself.

UnChosen · Feb 28, 2009, 12:30 AM // 00:30

The guild teams should be doing GvG. If they made a easier group forming system to begin with then people wouldn't have to resort to using stale builds to get anything done. Using the whole "nerf this and everything will be fine" argument is just moronic....considering how many times these types of thread pop up. I can bet that the new iway/lichway is going to be whined about after this.

Edwards · Feb 28, 2009, 03:04 AM // 03:04

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

stuff

Are there issues with Heroes and their AI? Yes. Did I ever deny that? No, and if you can find where I did, then quote me, and I'll gladly retract that statement, for whatever it's worth.

However, the root of the problem in my view is that the HA meta is really stale, and has been for some time. This is an issue with the skills, NOT HEROES.

I believe that if you remove heroes, the meta will shift to something probably just as equally boring as the current teaseway, except that it will be harder to find groups, because there will be more spots to fill.

As it is, a lot of good groups that I've seen opt not to take Gwen/Norgu in a team build which is otherwise similar to teaseway, which indicates to me that the heroes are not the problem.

The fact is, the only thing that REALLY needs to be changed about heroes in my opinion, is their interrupt ability, and the bugs you mentioned about item dropping and casting. Their ability to 'pre-prot' with weapons is annoying sometimes, but one Gwen won't stop you from applying pressure to a team, even with a team with lots of physical damage. Target swapping is good, and heroes only really stop you getting kills if there's two Gwen/Norgus on the other team or if you're one of those people who can only score kills with 321 lolrendomegaspikes. Even then, you should still be able to get spikes through.

Also, you asking people for their ages and calling us immature is pretty hilariously hypocritical, seeing as how you write like an enraged 12 year old. This is not about anybody being out to get you, or about people defending their favourite fame farm, this is about you not being able to handle it when people don't agree with your opinions and point out the idiocy in your posts.

Michael805 · Feb 28, 2009, 03:38 AM // 03:38

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Originally Posted by Edwards

won't stop you from applying pressure to a team

Wait, this is an HA thread, right?

Reverend Dr · Feb 28, 2009, 09:43 AM // 09:43

If we are going to get frequent and timely updates that address problem skills such that things like the teasebot won't stay in the meta for months, then by all means keep heroes.

This is why I think heroes should be removed.

LifesRestorer · Feb 28, 2009, 01:49 PM // 13:49

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Originally Posted by Ramod

Did you just say You, Kyle and Nick are the best team in HA?

What a joke. LMFAO.

Like that title even has worth anymore.

DreamWind · Feb 28, 2009, 04:13 PM // 16:13

How many heroes are even allowed in HA nowadays? Honestly the only way I would even consider playing that again is if they allowed a full party of heroes. Other than that, it will never be the same as it was back in Tombs or even early HA. HA is not even worth it to form a team anymore.

Golden Rice · Mar 01, 2009, 06:53 PM // 18:53

so like the other day i ran awakenway and like we tottally dominated an r3 teaseway

Marxon Aurion · Mar 02, 2009, 01:12 PM // 13:12

Oh my god, you dominated a r3 Teaseway. Wanna tell me your secret?

Krill · Mar 02, 2009, 03:33 PM // 15:33

On the debate as to whether it's the AI or the skills that make the tease hero broken...I think it's really a question of math.

[Weapon of Warding][Weapon of Shadow][Protective Was Kaolai][Life]

Think of these 4 skills which are most commonly found on the tease bar being used in a 1 minute time period. If the hero used all of them on recharge it would result in 170 energy being expended (7 WoW, 3 WoS, 4 PwK, 3 Life). Over that same period of time the tease hero has a natural energy regeneration of 80 energy, but if Power Drain and Drain Enchantment hit every time (3 times each) in that minute they provide a net gain of 90 energy, bringing the tease hero's energy pool for one minute to a potential...170 energy. Tease doesn't count since 90% of the time it only interrupts one foe and results in a net loss of 1 energy.

Now compared to the OoS rit that the tease hero kinda replaced, with OoS you gain at best a little over 40 energy in 1 minute period. OoS is pretty boring to play and the tease hero is way more annoying / takes no skill to use...so it's no mystery as to why this shit is overpowered any way you look at it. Although if I had to pick between the AI or the skills being worse, it's clearly the skills...basically every single skill on the tease hero considering how they are used (the OP resto skills and the energy train from inspiration).

Scf Blacknight · Mar 03, 2009, 12:07 AM // 00:07

ITT: People being smart on the internet.

Hero's should have never been in any PvP (inb4 herobattles) in the first place.
PvP stands for Player vs Player. AI controlled robots are not players.

Borat, play more. I love ganking you, your rage is amazing.