Curse

Servant of Kali · Apr 13, 2009, 03:10 PM // 15:10

Ok, so I come back after a long time to jump into RA for some fast action. And what do I see? I can't play hex builds anymore because a single monk with Peace and Harmony can handle 3 enemy hexers singlehandedly. This happens in every game.

Yes, I know, I could take Wastrel's Worry, but that's not the point.

The very description of this skill is a joke, and makes me yearn for Prophecy days when skills like these were not present. I don't know if this skill was balanced for GvG, if it's used now in GvG or not, but I don't remember before seeing skills which were balanced for GvG in such a way that they made entire professions useless RA.

Sorry if this sounds as a rant, I guess it is. And also I'm sure this will hurt someones elitistic feelings of what am I doing in RA anyway and 'that arena was never balanced', but this Arena was great in Prophecies, it was fun later too with minor disbalances. Now, it's just not. Compared to Prophecies all monk skills now cast instantly, Patient Spirit replaces slower casting healing spells, etc etc.

ps: Why not just make elite skill: "Target foe is hexed with Atheism and all healing reduced by 90%"

TheDarkshineKnight · Apr 13, 2009, 03:15 PM // 15:15

Deal with it.

Seriously, PvP in Guild Wars has always been balanced around GvG exclusively. The fact that RA wasn't complete crap back in Prophecies according to you (I'd argue it's always been crap) was just a fluke.

distilledwill · Apr 13, 2009, 03:25 PM // 15:25

Its not balanced anywhere really. Predictions are for a nerf, probably to cast time (to 3/4 - making it more easily interupted and disabled) and number of hexes removed. I think the skill mechanic will stay the same though, remove x number of hexes/conditions and reduce duration.

Jessica Pariah · Apr 13, 2009, 03:49 PM // 15:49

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Originally Posted by Servant of Kali

ps: Why not just make elite skill: "Target foe is hexed with Atheism and all healing reduced by 90%"

Religion has nothing to do with this.

Servant of Kali · Apr 13, 2009, 03:52 PM // 15:52

I look at other elite hex/condition removal skills and I don't see how it is balanced.

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PvP in Guild Wars has always been balanced around GvG exclusively

Not at all. That's what you think. I've been around for too long and noticed that skill updates happen with RA in mind as well. I've seen many skills who were changed because they were overpowered in RA, as well as skills who were designed with RA in mind alone. No GvG. Actually, most skills are not balanced for GvG at all but for PvE and arenas. I thought that's pretty obvious.

Servant of Kali · Apr 13, 2009, 03:56 PM // 15:56

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Originally Posted by Jessica Pariah

Religion has nothing to do with this.

Well I guess the skill name could be "Lack of Faith"... I choose atheism because it was shorter, I mean, atheists believe in various things but they are grouped according to what they don't believe in

If that made any sense

Animate · Apr 13, 2009, 04:12 PM // 16:12

PnH and FF just obliterate hex pressure as well as condition pressure.
Only way left to play this game are spikes.
If you wanna play hexes, the only remaining one that works is Lingering Curse, you don't really have a choice but to take it.

Freedom III · Apr 13, 2009, 04:14 PM // 16:14

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Originally Posted by distilledwill

Its not balanced anywhere really. Predictions are for a nerf, probably to cast time (to 3/4 - making it more easily interupted and disabled) and number of hexes removed. I think the skill mechanic will stay the same though, remove x number of hexes/conditions and reduce duration.

Because 0.75 second casting time is SOOOO easy to interrupt...If anything, they've either got to take the cool time up into the 15 to 20 second range, or make it heavier on the energy...at this point, with that skill alone, it can blow away 3 hexes and a cover hex, not to mention conditions to boot...

Krill · Apr 13, 2009, 04:20 PM // 16:20

PnH was a very bad solution to deal with the power creep in passive hexes (more specifically dom and curses hexes). Of course, who buffed all those hexes in the first place? Within the context of RA and TA you could argue that necros had become extremely overpowered, being able to keep faint (covered) on two people easily, use another monk punisher hex like wail of doom, soul bind or lingering curse and keep conditions off teammates with foul feast. The VoR mesmer is another template that had become problematic in arenas but is checked by PnH.

Don't forget that monks lose WoH with PnH. PnH makes it easy to keep hexes off a couple people but you can easily be ran over by heavy physical pressure.

Wish Swiftdeath · Apr 13, 2009, 04:30 PM // 16:30

Yep it's build wars

run PaH vs melee based team - If they're any good you should lose.
Woh vs hex heavy team - should generally lose (though i bring spotless mind along with veil)

It really depends, also OP, Protip: Don't stack everything on one target, spread it around

Eragon Zarroc · Apr 13, 2009, 04:43 PM // 16:43

meh, find a new build ;-) the olden days were too simple. today requires a more complex mind and greater skill to succeed ;-) muhahahahaha.

kedde · Apr 13, 2009, 04:49 PM // 16:49

If you take a look at what pnh was created to deal with, you'll get another picture.

LC was buffed to insane dimensions, pnh was buffed to be a counter.
LC still sticks, even with pnh.

Get the idea?

minor · Apr 13, 2009, 04:57 PM // 16:57

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Originally Posted by Servant of Kali

I can't play hex builds anymore because a single monk with Peace and Harmony can handle 3 enemy hexers singlehandedly IF they are idiots.

Players heres an amazing idea spread your hexes around.
Faced a VOR mez the other day while playing pnh guess what he did?
Vor on one player, empathy on the meele, backfire on me and wasterls at random times. Pnh is not a magic bullet by any means.

Faure · Apr 13, 2009, 05:37 PM // 17:37

The only thing I keep loosing from is Murphy. His law keeps putting me on the wrong place with the right builds all the time. I take a P&H build and i get 10 matches with ranger/sin based teams. I'm fed up and choose to switch to a more hybrid-common build and the first match I play is 2 hexers in the opp team.

And then when you finally choose to be a hexer yourself you run against the only P&H monk in the whole RA-world at that time.

RA is fun... really....

Yue · Apr 13, 2009, 05:40 PM // 17:40

Or you can just not play hexes, which are pretty mindless to start with.

Lux Aeterna · Apr 13, 2009, 06:13 PM // 18:13

Omg so many hexes so many hexes stop casting your knees on me wow so many hexes I'm so stacked with hexes i just have to stand there I can't attack or move or I'll die so many hexes omg wow I can't use any skills SO MANY HEXES.

Stop complaining.

There's a spell that undoes all my hard work as a warrior, called [word of healing]. It recharges faster than PnH and nobody ever complains about it.

Don't be a hex stacking loser, or else don't complain about the counter to your tactic.

Anyway 99% of the time the enemy team will not have PnH monk, therefore you just cast your hexes and the enemies die helplessly.

NOTE: all hexers always stack all their shit on either the hammer warrior or monk.

Snow Bunny · Apr 13, 2009, 06:32 PM // 18:32

A good warrior should be able to murder a pnh monk in RA. The monk simply doesn't have the heals to keep up with physical pressure.

Byron · Apr 13, 2009, 06:40 PM // 18:40

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Originally Posted by Yue

Or you can just not play hexes, which are pretty mindless to start with.

Yes, yes, a thousand times yes.

Lux Aeterna · Apr 13, 2009, 06:41 PM // 18:41

I don't play RA, like it really sucks and there's a thread about it.

Monks vary quite a bit in ease of taking out, generally it's not worth the time when he's at full health with guardian available.

Fate Crusher · Apr 13, 2009, 08:25 PM // 20:25

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Originally Posted by Lux Aeterna

I don't play RA, like it really sucks and there's a thread about it.

Monks vary quite a bit in ease of taking out, generally it's not worth the time when he's at full health with guardian available.

Huh?

To the OP: Please give me and the community an extremely solid example as to a skill ballance that had RA specifically in mind.
Air of enchantments? was used in all aspects on PvP, primarily in GvG and AB. yes it was exploited in TA but that was a knock on effect.
Elle elites? Mind blast was too epic for energy management. and as well as the others, they were used everywhere.
Divine Boon (boon prots)? Never got nerfed tbh.
Smiter's Boon? that was obviously GvG.

RA is not a place to be taken seriously in terms of making it a more ballanced arena, hence the name random.... the updates were and always will be focused on driving the meta for the 8v8 competitions (HA and GvG).

please think.

seriously. i can't think of a single skil that was nerfed or build that had to be altered due to overpowered-ness in RA.

EDIT: and another thing, could i also get an example of a "skill that was designed for RA alone in mind"?

i agree that PnH is seen to be over powered in a 4v4 event, but it is as how everyone else has said. put enough physical pressure on the PnH, and you should win.

Build wars build wars build wars.