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dr love · Apr 25, 2009, 09:51 PM // 21:51

i've never met anyone brave enough to let me try a me/mo FC prot or WoH (HB is kinda pointless). someone must've tried it before. i know many will be upset at the idea because monks should be the best 'monks' but you often see builds that rely mainly on their secondary class for skills e.g. dagger W/A, scythe R/D, Me/E etc.

the divine favour is nice, but so is getting that WoH, guardian or SoA cast just in time. this would also help mitigate against evil PB mesmers that can pick apart anything cast with 3/4s or more.

Ideally you don't need FC and ideally you can cancel before a PB mes gets u making him waste 15 energy - but matches don't always go the way you want.

so curious, anyone tried it out?

majikmajikmajik · Apr 25, 2009, 10:40 PM // 22:40

im sure people have ran it, but your losing alot of healing via divine favor.

Betrayer of Wind · Apr 25, 2009, 10:43 PM // 22:43

It works,but since your energy will be going down more quickly than a regular monk cuz you're sacrificing more healing for faster casting,you'll need to make use of the inspiration line,as well as interrupts,which is kinda of a reversal if you think about it lol.
Not being able to run defensive stances is a big downside tho

lewis91 · Apr 25, 2009, 11:26 PM // 23:26

An interesting idea, personally i love the M/E fast-cast nuke. Divine healing does add a considerably big boost ontop of your heal which is always nice, and without that boost you may need to heal more which would cost more energy, so you'd have to reach a little into inspiration. Give it a try in AB or something. Thats the place for new builds.

FoxBat · Apr 25, 2009, 11:39 PM // 23:39

On the other hand, Me/Rt healers aren't bad, Norgu used to be quite good at it.

Krill · Apr 25, 2009, 11:58 PM // 23:58

Prot - Guardian / SoA have an extra 1s @ 14 prot, RoF and LS get red bar'd a lot and you don't even get DF bonus.

WoH - There goes like 30% of your main bar pusher without DF and lower healing. FC could actually screw you canceling from diversions. If you want faster casting on an infuser HB is still fine.

It can be super annoying when a PD takes out your gaurdian or WoH, or the occasion p-blocker, but let's face it heroes will still interrupt you with FC and that's the main annoyance.

*edit: About trying to FC a nuker, here again you lose a lot of damage and will still be interrupted by heroes. FC RoJ smiter and FC tainter work well though because FC makes it easier and the primary skills work just as effectively on a secondary.

BarPusher · Apr 26, 2009, 12:48 PM // 12:48

No point to it if you can pre prot.
No point to it if you can pre veil.
No point to it if you're trying to avoid interrupts.

TheHaxor · Apr 26, 2009, 06:35 PM // 18:35

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Originally Posted by BarPusher

No point to it if you can pre prot.
No point to it if you can pre veil.
No point to it if you're trying to avoid interrupts.

For future reference, posting arguments that are only one sentence long with no explanations doesn't make you look credible. It makes you look like an arrogant dumbass because it gives the appearance of saying, "I'm better than you so what I say is right."

shadows of hob · Apr 26, 2009, 08:39 PM // 20:39

Yes, people tried it, including myself.

It worked, of course, but there is/was no reason a me/mo would be better than a mo/me.

If you think about it, it is very logical. Monk primary heal for more and prot longer/better. For a mesmer primary, you will have to use more spells to have the same effect=more energy. This might not be a problem if you could take 3-4 inspiration spells to fix this. However, this is impossible in the current metagame, the metagame before and so on.

A thing many people forget is that casting more also gives more chance to eat shames/diversions or getting interrupted. You should not underestimate this.

The argument: 'you can preprot better' is a joke with 1/4 casting time. The only valid reason to play a mesmer over a monk is that they are cuter.

Killed u man · Apr 27, 2009, 05:59 AM // 05:59

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Originally Posted by shadows of hob

The only valid reason to play a mesmer over a monk is that they have better armor.

fix'ed

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Nimble Night · Apr 27, 2009, 08:02 AM // 08:02

I tried it a while back in gvg, during the pblock meta. The healing you lose from lack of DF just generates pressure. Its much more effective to simply fake out the interrupts on a standard monk.

BarPusher · Apr 27, 2009, 01:15 PM // 13:15

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Originally Posted by TheHaxor

For future reference, posting arguments that are only one sentence long with no explanations doesn't make you look credible. It makes you look like an arrogant dumbass because it gives the appearance of saying, "I'm better than you so what I say is right."

Wow you got all that from those three sentences? My my, what a smart little boy you are.

Coochie coochie coo!

Anyway, since I'm the arrogant dumb arse I guess you are the smart person needing the explanation. After all, dumb people can work things out for themselves, but smart people need to be taught. The internet having no sarcasm, and you being a great mensa member; I bring to you, explanations!

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the divine favour is nice, but so is getting that WoH, guardian or SoA cast just in time.

Gaurdian or SoA's can be pre-protted and therefore the "just in time" isn't needed, like perhaps an infuse is

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No point to it if you can pre veil.

Pre-veil helps for diversion/shames. Say if you could cast quicker, you might avoid a diversion easier, but with pre-veiling, you don't need to cast quicker

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No point to it if you're trying to avoid interrupts.

There is no point sacrificing 30%+ healing, or sacrificing a lot of protting to avoid being interrupted. You are better to just fake cast

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Also, if you are pre-protting as opposed to protting/healing on a spike, from a mesmers point of view it's harder to interrupt. It's harder to tell when someone is going to cast when there isn't a spike, but if your team calls a spike on vent it gives you a good idea when the monks are going to cast.

There's also no point in it because something like a hero-interrupter, is still going to interrupt you anyway. There is sadly, a few of them in HA now

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You are such a good player at guild wars, I kind of remember you

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Also, aren't arrogant people meant to believe they are above others? I think I'm a much nicer person (that doesn't mean I'm better though), I mean I wrote three sentences to keep it short and I get attacked. I kept it short because I over rated your mental capacity to understand this game we discuss (guild wars, just in case you've forgot or need an explanation); therefore, I was actually complimenting you. As I didn't explain myself and felt I didn't need to go into detail because I thought you would understand, I obviously felt you might be on a similar wavelength

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How nice am I?

You are right though, just as you assumed all you did from those sentences, I am a dumb arse for assuming after X years you've been playing this game you might have a clue about the theory of it

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Yarly · Apr 27, 2009, 01:42 PM // 13:42

The solution here is learning to monk properly so you don't need FC.

End thread.

dragonpride · Apr 27, 2009, 04:17 PM // 16:17

There's really no reason to ever fc monk skills.

There is one skill that comes as a fc already, and it's called infuse.
Some healers do prefer to cast faster in general... they just play HB instead of woh.

Prot skills dont generally need to be faster, due to short cast times and pre-prot.
If you need to cast faster, switch to your 40/40.

I think there is too much lost from divine favor plus the minor runes to make fc worth it.

dr love · Apr 27, 2009, 09:18 PM // 21:18

aight thanks for the replies. it just hurts when you don't get that guardian in before the hammer war bonks you on the floor or you don't get the SoA in before a spike that goes under SB. i thought it'd be interesting to try. also can happen with WoH, not making it in on time.

1s and 3/4s (WoH) are pretty easy to PB. how can you fake out a PB when you don't know who he's targeting and when he will decide to cast. someone can camp him and call it on vent, but by the time its on vent, someone will already be PB'ed. i don't want to fake cancel random spells to hope he will mess up his PB. that is just wasting energy and going to get someone killed because they won't be protted or healed.

p.s. barpusher and haxor sometimes i think you guys chase each other around these forums just to troll each other

BarPusher · Apr 27, 2009, 10:54 PM // 22:54

My Join Date: Feb 2006

His Join Date: Mar 2007

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just to troll each other

nou

TheHaxor · Apr 27, 2009, 11:15 PM // 23:15

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Originally Posted by BarPusher

Wow you got all that from those three sentences? My my, what a smart little boy you are.

Coochie coochie coo!

Anyway, since I'm the arrogant dumb arse I guess you are the smart person needing the explanation. After all, dumb people can work things out for themselves, but smart people need to be taught. The internet having no sarcasm, and you being a great mensa member; I bring to you, explanations!

How nice am I?

You are right though, just as you assumed all you did from those sentences, I am a dumb arse for assuming after X years you've been playing this game you might have a clue about the theory of it

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I wasn't confused by what you said. You have to clarify it because contrary to popular belief not everyone that reads this thread is an expert on the game. Therefore, it was done for their benefit. That is the point to a thread like this. You should look into the context of your writing before you submit it.

Also, you obviously haven't read any decent piece of writing. Explaining your arguments is a pretty elementary rule of writing.

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Originally Posted by dbulger

p.s. barpusher and haxor sometimes i think you guys chase each other around these forums just to troll each other

This is the first time I've seen this person post. The only reason I even said anything is because this person appears to do the same thing with every post they make. I just made the assumption that they think they are much better at the game than they actually are.

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Originally Posted by BarPusher

*something about me being a no skill piece of trash*

Thanks for proving my assumption. Also, my original account on here is from 2005, but join date doesn't count for anything so I don't care.

BarPusher · Apr 27, 2009, 11:43 PM // 23:43

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This is the first time I've seen this person post.

I posted quite a bit under the name of "Elektra Lucia".

Also, I generally write long posts and overly explain things. You've found one post where I didn't write much.

It was nothing to do with being arrogant, or thinking I'm greater than anyone. The truth is, there are multiple reasons. I've been quite sick, I didn't feel a massive need to explain and also people generally don't like to read walls of text.

I tried cutting back, I guess it didn't work.

http://guildwarsguru.com/forum/showt...php?t=10236848
Lots of text, complained at how long it is.

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Thanks for proving my assumption.

I edited it out for a reason.

It was a test :].

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I wasn't confused by what you said. You have to clarify it because contrary to popular belief not everyone that reads this thread is an expert on the game...

I did clarify, his question was this :

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so curious, anyone tried it out?

I said there was no point. Sometimes leaving things open ended helps ones mind think for themselves.

Oh great debater, unless there is a proper discussion you should also be aware that when someone asks a question you can answer in one sentence and that does not break the laws of arguing =).

You always used to suck my dick before though, so I'm kind of glad you're more offensive now

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TheHaxor · Apr 28, 2009, 12:52 AM // 00:52

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Originally Posted by BarPusher

Oh great debater, unless there is a proper discussion you should also be aware that when someone asks a question you can answer in one sentence and that does not break the laws of arguing =).

You didn't answer that question. You stated reasons against using a FC monk without clarifying as to why those reasons should be taken into consideration.

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Originally Posted by BarPusher

You always used to suck my dick before though, so I'm kind of glad you're more offensive now

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What? You definitely have the wrong person. The only thing I remember about you is that you always get butt hurt when someone actually calls you out on something you wrote. Apparently much hasn't changed since you got banned.

BarPusher · Apr 28, 2009, 01:03 AM // 01:03

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so curious, anyone tried it out?

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No point to it if you can pre prot.
No point to it if you can pre veil.
No point to it if you're trying to avoid interrupts.

If you can assume all you have from what I have written, it would be fairly easy to assume I meant 'NO'. I have not tried it, and there is no point in trying it either. It's pretty obvious I did answer that question.

There's also enough text on forums to understand why.

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What? You definitely have the wrong person.

I do not :]. Since all your arguments come down to opinions, here's mine. I remember you as a terrible player and I will probably soon stop arguing with you. Waste of time, you have nothing decent to reply to, just regurgitated shit.

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The only thing I remember about you...

failtroll.

Now the fact of the matter is, there's enough posts on this forum, threads about monking for the OP to understand why his idea isn't worth trying. I was not being offensive in what I wrote.

Sure I'm arrogant (because of people like you that waste the Earth's surface area and infiltrate it with stupidity) but the fact is you just got lucky on that one.

There was nothing offensive in what I wrote, so you "calling me out" on what I've written, is nonsense. If you were any good at debating you wouldn't have felt the need to get so personal so quickly. If you weren't an aggressive unintelligent troll you could have just said "would you mind explaining yourself for other forum users". I would have done so.

Now you are going to say I got "butt hurt". Wrong, I'm explaining it to you, because as you said previously. You're a moron and a terrible player that is insecure and when someone writes a sentence, you lie to yourself and try to assume they think they're above you. In reality, you just think you're below them.

You're right.

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Therefore, it was done for their benefit.

If you cared about them and did something for their benefit, I'm shocked you have tried to flame me in the way you have. Repeat, not "butt hurt".

I guess I'm just over estimating your intelligence again and you haven't an ounce of logic. If you did, you certainly would have worded things differently.