Curse

erk · Jan 29, 2008, 01:31 AM // 01:31

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Originally Posted by Keithark

Easy way to fix...make /ranks for other titles and no more noobs looking for fame..most true "noobs" don't care about fame or even PvP in the least they just want Bambi. Make emotes for Vanquish, Guardian, or some of the higher end PvE and lose 3/4 of the "noobs" right off the bat. Those that are left are people who really want to play PvP and should be a little better to play with than the PvE title farmers

There is a lot of merit to that idea, if you could get an emote from some other form of PvP then there wouldn't be as much pressure on HA. For example if they had say the same emotes, (bambi,worlf, tiger etc.) but in a different color eg. gold for Hero, purple for Gladiator, red for Commander etc. so you know which arena they were earned in, perhaps linked to the title check box you have ticked for display at the time when you type /rank.

elektra_lucia · Jan 29, 2008, 01:37 AM // 01:37

There is sufficient reward for all game types. I like it the way it is.

erk · Jan 29, 2008, 03:18 AM // 03:18

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Originally Posted by elektra_lucia

There is sufficient reward for all game types. I like it the way it is.

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Originally Posted by elektra_lucia

99.5% of you simply do not care if you're good. You just want bambi, wolf or tiger put on your account so you can go back to PVE and annoy some people.

The problem is there is not sufficient rewards, that's why, like your originally pointed out in the first post, HA is full of fame farmers that just want the shiny emote and then go back to PvW, instead of people that want to learn to be good at HA.

elektra_lucia · Jan 29, 2008, 10:10 AM // 10:10

There was sufficient reward in hero battles. Do you think people cared if they run broken recall so long as they came number #1? You can selectively quote me any way you like, adding 'sufficient reward' won't breed a bunch of pro-gamers. Sorry.

If people wanted to be good, they would.

Halmyr · Jan 29, 2008, 07:18 PM // 19:18

I can definatly understand why the more experience players want to play with other experience player, to win, simple as that, they don't want to waste time to teach a noob. Same thing with a lot of the majority of the new player, they wan't to win, but don't want to learn how to play.

Being Rank 3, and only playing casualy, its incredibly hard to find anything but randomway and Iway groups, both of which are very inefective most of the time. I only see Rank 9++ only Iway group and think.....They shoudl be doing stuff like RC+WOH only for balance! NO NOOBS.

I enjoy HA, I play what ever I can to simply, I don't care if its Iway, Random way, or any other way, I just want to play it. I'm always looking for new ways to improve my self, i see if there are more ways to make my self more effective as a player, but experience from other also helps alot.

For example, I was able to join a rank 3+ group ( was not rank 3 at the time) playing a more Balance spike group built. The one tip I remember them giving me is, bash some one else then the monk until your adrealine skills are pump up, and then go bash the monk in a suprise spike. And it made sense right away. I tried it, and it work fairly well too.

I have to cut this short, but basicly if New player look to improve them selve, and The more experience gave new player a chance every once in a while, the quality of player would increase

TaCktiX · Jan 30, 2008, 04:02 AM // 04:02

There are more than a few tips present on this forum alone. By your argument of "advice", high-ranking people should only make their wisdom available down the chain, and should not be required to take you into their group. I.E., you agree with the OP.

ManiSan · Jan 30, 2008, 09:59 AM // 09:59

I was talking with a "high rank" (r8) guy yesterday, while trying to recruit for our GvG guild.
He was 15. He had friends r7/8 who picked him in their groups since the beginning. We talked about the best way to deal versus an iway, and he was blatantly wrong... obviously. Its uncommon to see a 15 years old guy to be smarter, nor better, than a 30y old gamer whom was clicking on a mouse before his birth (me..).
Thats what rank is about. The ability to be a friend of 15-18 teens that spend to much time on their computers.

PS: why should high rank accept newbies ?
a. Before its a game. In order to be fun, a game has to be fair. Do you enjoy beeing on Vent, spiking a r0 pug ?
b. To prevent them to "go back to pve", which surely the more mature, and possibly the best player will be prone to.
c. Because playing to get your next rank is just dumb. Ok ok, you're r9, we know that you know whats happening there.
d. etc...

In some other games, we accept noobs. We just make sure to have one noob on each team, for the game to be balanced, thus interesting and fun. When I say "we", Im including a guy, 9th on SupCom Ladder (250,000 players)...

therangereminem · Jan 30, 2008, 12:28 PM // 12:28

OK so you ran across one person that claiomed he was good enough, i understand you know mostly what to do in ha and gvg, and pvp
but there is still some thing syou will have to learn and still have not learned with your so called im the great one with high fame,

1 i have a firend that prots from my rank10+ she is rank 5 but i have never seen anyone prot the way she does or as well
2 most pople that are hitting rank 9 now are iway newbs, and dont know anything you just said
3 rank 12+ groups fail becuz youwill have 8 poeple calling 8 different starts and thinking they know everything meanwhile a rank 6 + group with the same build beating them in a build they made up

so this is what every one should learn from this thread

you say you not wineing but you are, i bet your the friend of the person that posted about sisssy girl
i eun spike build with 3 same poeple and add 5 rank 10's and did ok but then and traded the rank 10's for rank 3's and did way better spikes cleaner and less agruing

yes i fail at typing this i know 6:30 in the morning
but i would take a rank 3 over you anyday
me myself are rank 5 alsmot 6 yet i know everythign you have said i know start i know where and how to breack down builds how to react, i learned this from always being in high rank groups, i party with my aka pve newbs all the time in ha and enjoy that tie more then anything

ITS A F N GAME IF EVERYONE SPENT 3 YEARS IN HA THEY WOULD BE RANK 14 ALSO

elektra_lucia · Jan 30, 2008, 02:46 PM // 14:46

Nice lot of garbage there.

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I was talking with a "high rank" (r8) guy yesterday, while trying to recruit for our GvG guild.
He was 15. He had friends r7/8 who picked him in their groups since the beginning. We talked about the best way to deal versus an iway, and he was blatantly wrong... obviously. Its uncommon to see a 15 years old guy to be smarter, nor better, than a 30y old gamer whom was clicking on a mouse before his birth (me..).
Thats what rank is about. The ability to be a friend of 15-18 teens that spend to much time on their computers.

You going to enlighten us on the argument or just say he was wrong? Lol.

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Its uncommon to see a 15 years old guy to be smarter, nor better, than a 30y old gamer whom was clicking on a mouse before his birth (me..).

Depends what you define as smarter. Younger people lack knowledge but they can be just as intelligent. The brain deteriorates after 26 for the male. That's for intelligence, not reflex. As for skill and age... You obviously didn't look at the average age of CPL gamers lately...

As an average of competitive gamers playing at a decent level the younger people tend to learn much quicker etc. Just because you have moved a mouse in another game, won't always mean it'll help you for this...

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I was talking with a "high rank" (r8) guy yesterday, while trying to recruit for our GvG guild.
He was 15. He had friends r7/8 who picked him in their groups since the beginning. We talked about the best way to deal versus an iway, and he was blatantly wrong... obviously.

Firstly (oh smart old man) you think r8 is high rank. Interesting but ridiculous too. Secondly, you mention you're trying to recruit for a GVG guild. Thirdly you talk about defeating IWAY... Why not talk about defeating GVG builds? Defeating an IWAY can also depend on the build you run too... Sure there is general advice you will give, but it can be broken if your build supports it =P.

ManiSan · Jan 30, 2008, 05:09 PM // 17:09

Well... Maybe youngs have the will to prove themself how smart they are.
To be a champion (not gw champ), you dont have to be so smart. You need (and will show) that you can focus on some ridiculous competition where fun is out of question and stress is the rule, that you're chosing to be insane and lose your soul (ie the ability to think to another thing that your domain).
Take it easy... Forming your brain around a game is foolish. Once you play with the best players and gain respect from them, you dont even need to play good

. (haha yeah sometimes, I drink my coffee and decide to suck at the beginning of a RTS, anyway, beeing above average the game is often more interesting since more equilibrate... and i enjoy losing

. That prove that my opponents are worthy, and doing a coming back is more chalenging).
Enjoy the game. Dont try to be a "genius autist" like Kasparov. Thats all but fun...

Lews · Jan 30, 2008, 11:51 PM // 23:51

Fyi, when I turned 16 I already had 9,000 fame... When I was 15 I'd hold halls every night =/ Good argument, however.

Rank 8 is not high ranked.

None of the original high ranked people still play. We would actually choose people based on skill, not on high rank, until eventually ( around September) there were alot of idiots who were playing, so we started caring about rank. =/

Now all of the people who still play HoH are not old school players, they're new. When they were first playing, they got a lot of discrimination because of their rank. Now that they have a high rank, they are just keeping the cycle going. They think they need to play with only high ranked players, when really they and all of their friends are probably idiots as well =/

Lews

Ryve · Jan 31, 2008, 11:04 AM // 11:04

Honestly, I agree with almost everything said. I myself am only rank 3 and I too try to get into higher ranked groups, but by higher ranked groups I mean rank 6. Also, when I do, I will always try to enter as an elementalist, as that is the one profession I know how to play really well. I take the opportunity when I'm in a higher ranked group to listen to others as much as I can about what they're doing right or wrong, so that I can implement or avoid those things in my own game play. I think low ranked people(while being one myself) should know their limits, that is why you will never see me infuse or PD, I just don't have the experience required to do it decently. I'll give the builds a try once in a while to get better at them, but only in non ranked groups or in RA.
I applaud the creator of this thread, because he/she nailed it!

elektra_lucia · Jan 31, 2008, 02:02 PM // 14:02

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Originally Posted by ManiSan

Well... Maybe youngs have the will to prove themself how smart they are.
To be a champion (not gw champ), you dont have to be so smart. You need (and will show) that you can focus on some ridiculous competition where fun is out of question and stress is the rule, that you're chosing to be insane and lose your soul (ie the ability to think to another thing that your domain).
Take it easy... Forming your brain around a game is foolish. Once you play with the best players and gain respect from them, you dont even need to play good

. (haha yeah sometimes, I drink my coffee and decide to suck at the beginning of a RTS, anyway, beeing above average the game is often more interesting since more equilibrate... and i enjoy losing

. That prove that my opponents are worthy, and doing a coming back is more chalenging).
Enjoy the game. Dont try to be a "genius autist" like Kasparov. Thats all but fun...

Are you going to continue to write dribble or are you going to answer my questions in the debate? You were the one that spoke of smart. I'm just following that, now you're talking absolute nonsense. Why? Just why? Also next time you post can you try to do it with proper English? I don't think there's an excuse for someone your age =).

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and he was blatantly wrong... obviously. Its uncommon to see a 15 years old guy to be smarter, nor better, than a 30y old gamer whom was clicking on a mouse before his birth (me..).

Not exactly the sharpest tool in the shed though are you?

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Thats what rank is about. The ability to be a friend of 15-18 teens that spend to much time on their computers.

So you think high rank is rank8. You think high rank is someone that spends too much time on their computer. Let's do the maths... Rank8 is 2800? Fame I think. If I remember. 30 Month account let's say. 30 days in a month (keeping it simple for you). 900 days. 2800 divide by 900 = 3.1 fame a day. You think that someone who's averaged 3.1 fame a day sits on his computer too much.

Niiiiice.

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Dont try to be a

I'll be whatever my personality is. I'm not going to change myself in ANY way because some 30 year old (that can't win a debate with 15+ year olds) says so. Just because you may have a full time job, you're not a successful man. You're probably not as happy as me and I highly doubt you're as good looking as me. So I have really no need to take much notice of you.

The bottom line is, real life doesn't count for much online. If someone is or is not on their computer a lot. It doesn't effect you but the VERY least you could do is try to write in English and not verbal diarrhoea.

I have to ask. Are you role playing being an adult?

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Now all of the people who still play HoH are not old school players, they're new. When they were first playing, they got a lot of discrimination because of their rank. Now that they have a high rank, they are just keeping the cycle going. They think they need to play with only high ranked players, when really they and all of their friends are probably idiots as well =/

Now to this. This from the VERY start makes you look very close minded and well... I won't even comment on your intelligence. Using words like 'all of the' is simply illogical. Excluding your opinions of skill (which I won't get into because you held at -NIGHT- times). Leeloof (I hope you'd agree) is an 'old school player'. I can think of many more but I simply don't want to bring up their name (I also don't need to). You've said all. So, one name is good enough to win the argument. Then of course there are players who got the game late or got into HA late. It could of been a connection reason, computer reason, or just a silly reason. Who knows and who cares. It doesn't mean that they were the bad low rank players of the past. I don't want them in my group though (if I make a serious group) for reasons given. I don't see that it has anything to do with 'old school' though.

ManiSan · Jan 31, 2008, 06:16 PM // 18:16

Dont expect foreigners to speak english like fine writers lol
For the rest... I dont see the point debating with you. You talk and everyone not sharing your point of view is either dumb or noob, or [insert a proper flaming here].
By the way, if a r8 isnt high rank, why dont you say a number ? And ppl will suddenly be high ranked after a ding ?

If you aren't good at r8, you'll just never be... follow my logic.
At last Im not trying to speak for others... "Higher rank point of view". Bleh. Try "My point of view of high ranked guy"

elektra_lucia · Jan 31, 2008, 06:45 PM // 18:45

I'm not speaking for others. Although it seems many high rank people tend to agree with the main point I was portraying in my first post. I don't think you grasp the topic title and because of it you deem it as wrong or incorrect.

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For the rest... I dont see the point debating with you. You talk and everyone not sharing your point of view is either dumb or noob, or [insert a proper flaming here].

You were the one that spoke of someone not being 'smart'. Yet you've shown no sign of intelligence in any of your posts yet.

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If you aren't good at r8, you'll just never be... follow my logic.

Rubbish. There is no logic in that. You could of played one profession and learnt very little (like playing an SS necro or something) and then go onto calling and be crap... Rank8 really isn't that much fame, depending on how much you've played.

You clearly can't follow maths. I explained why it isn't much fame.

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I dont see the point debating with you.

Yet you've asked selective questions. You see a point when it suits you, but when you know you're going to lose hands down you don't bother.

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I was talking with a "high rank" (r8) guy yesterday, while trying to recruit for our GvG guild.
He was 15. He had friends r7/8 who picked him in their groups since the beginning. We talked about the best way to deal versus an iway, and he was blatantly wrong... obviously. Its uncommon to see a 15 years old guy to be smarter, nor better, than a 30y old gamer whom was clicking on a mouse before his birth (me..).
Thats what rank is about. The ability to be a friend of 15-18 teens that spend to much time on their computers.

PS: why should high rank accept newbies ?
a. Before its a game. In order to be fun, a game has to be fair. Do you enjoy beeing on Vent, spiking a r0 pug ?
b. To prevent them to "go back to pve", which surely the more mature, and possibly the best player will be prone to.
c. Because playing to get your next rank is just dumb. Ok ok, you're r9, we know that you know whats happening there.
d. etc...

In some other games, we accept noobs. We just make sure to have one noob on each team, for the game to be balanced, thus interesting and fun. When I say "we", Im including a guy, 9th on SupCom Ladder (250,000 players)...

You're the one that brings up smart.
You're the one that brings up noob.

Now all I was really asking is for you to recap on the debate. From my point of view, you don't know how to defeat IWAY. You haven't a clue about defeating IWAY. You haven't a clue about recruiting members for GVG (if you did, you wouldn't be asking about IWAY in HA) and what's more, you haven't a clue about being skilled.

The typical stubborn low rank player really. You think you're good because you're older. You think you deserve respect because of it and you honestly think you're more intelligent than most. You aren't.

Now I wouldn't bring up smart so much, unless you mentioned it (which you did).

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Dont expect foreigners to speak english like fine writers lol

I don't expect you to speak like a fine writer but someone that is oh so smart as you should at least know better.

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Bleh. Try "My point of view of high ranked guy"

So you're dictating to me how to FK up the English language? I forget the quote, but it goes something like:
A man who knows and knows that he knows, learn from him.
A man that doesn't know but knows he doesn't know, teach him.
A man who thinks he knows but knows not, for fk sake avoid him!

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By the way, if a r8 isnt high rank, why dont you say a number ?

Because it would just lead to straw man fallacy.

I notice how you talk about 'youngs' and 'kids' (in the what you hate thread you mentioned that you hate kids). I have to ask... Did you have a messed up childhood? Is that why you're mad at children? Distorted views? It's okey, I won't tell anyone <3.

VexedLucifer · Feb 02, 2008, 04:41 PM // 16:41

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Originally Posted by Kyp Jade

QFT

Good post, will be closed soon due to low ranks whining.

Edit by Mokone:

just a note on this topic -- heavy whining will be bombed if it takes over, it's a good thread and should stay as long as it can. i'm not gonna comment on this for now, so sorry for abusing your post Kyp, but i'd rather do it here than ruin the topic with a +1, lol.

so yes, warning, don't spoil this thread with whining.

Hahahaha Robert got owned.

And who cares about low ranks?

Seriously People I mean come on its the low ranks fault they are there. They are stupid people that ran/run easy ass fame farming builds (Ie:Zergway, ritspike, bloodspike, and sway) and then they bitch and moan when they get owned by a balanced team or when their precious fame farming build gets nerfed. So the solution to this problem is... ALL LOW RANKED PEOPLE SHOULD STOP GETTING BUILDS OFF OF PvX wiki and GW Shack and run a real balanced.

elektra_lucia · Feb 04, 2008, 12:45 PM // 12:45

Well some are new to HA but stubborn. I do wonder the benefits of having observer mode for HA. There isn't really many good players to watch, and the battles are boring... Have you observed relic run? Did you feel like you were going to orgasm with excitement? I certainly did.

So no observer would solve a bit perhaps :3.

Kyp Jade · Feb 04, 2008, 02:35 PM // 14:35

I enjoyed watching unholy or sacred temples on observer whenever they were up. THose are my favorite maps.

I sometimes watch antechamber too, but its pretty boring usually.

Only pop in HoH obs when someone has been holding for awhile hoping to see something new and innovative, nothing yet

elektra_lucia · Feb 04, 2008, 07:04 PM // 19:04

Antechamber doesn't show up unless a top 100 guild... I mean remove HoH from observer. My bad, didn't make myself clear.

Snow Bunny · Feb 04, 2008, 07:22 PM // 19:22

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Originally Posted by ManiSan

Dont expect foreigners to speak english like fine writers lol
For the rest... I dont see the point debating with you. You talk and everyone not sharing your point of view is either dumb or noob, or [insert a proper flaming here].
By the way, if a r8 isnt high rank, why dont you say a number ? And ppl will suddenly be high ranked after a ding ?

If you aren't good at r8, you'll just never be... follow my logic.
At last Im not trying to speak for others... "Higher rank point of view". Bleh. Try "My point of view of high ranked guy"

I simply don't believe you understand Lucia's point. Higher ranked players don't enjoy playing with lower ranked players because 9/10 times, the lower ranked players live up to their rank and perform terribly. In addition, 9/10 poor players will remain bad and low ranked because they don't learn from their mistakes.

At this juncture, I can only think of two players low ranked that I've honestly admired, simply because they want to get better through learning their mistakes. Fishy, as much as he wants too much detail on his performance through a round, actually attempts to learn from his errors, and as a result, is a better player. He just needs to learn to spam his interrupts more

Tab does his RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing research on monking and as a result, can monk in my estimation at around a r100 level, which to be honest is a respectable level.

These two players, despite their lack of rank, try quite earnestly to be better and as a result, are.

However, having played with 1000's of low ranked players, these two are part of a handful that I could say this of.