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Div · Nov 25, 2007, 11:54 PM // 23:54

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Originally Posted by wuzzman

number of good gvg guilds excepting core members is small....very, very, very small.

You'll find a lot of top 200 guilds in need of good players. Many of them I've talked to are willing to tryout and keep some new guys without fancy titles that show great promise. On the other hand, you'll never get into a r9+ PUG if you're nowhere close to that rank.

Apok Omen · Nov 26, 2007, 03:14 AM // 03:14

r9+ pugs fail though. Why bother when you can have friends help you win halls?

Renowned Spartan · Nov 26, 2007, 05:35 PM // 17:35

True, the best way to go is to play HA everyday with the same people.

Zui · Nov 26, 2007, 06:06 PM // 18:06

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Originally Posted by Asrial

Here's how I classify the 'split' in skill..

Mature vs Immature.

It is entirely obvious to everyone with a functioning brain and some experience with both high ranked, and low ranked people, that there are people who are high ranked that are mature, and people who aren't, just like there are low ranked people who are mature, and low ranked people who aren't, and just like there are some 15 year olds who are mature and some who aren't, and there are some 50 year olds who are mature, and some who aren't... Get the picture? Oh, and age has a much stronger correlation to maturity than how much fame someone has on an Internet game so...

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Originally Posted by holymasamune

you'll never get into a r9+ PUG if you're nowhere close to that rank.

You can if you have a gold cape (maybe a silver one too, I don't know). Although, this is mostly due to people not asking for your rank; if you tell them you're less than r9, they'll kick you.

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Originally Posted by Apok Omen

r9+ pugs fail though. Why bother when you can have friends help you win halls?

QFT.

Asrial · Nov 26, 2007, 06:43 PM // 18:43

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Originally Posted by Zui

Oh, and age has a much stronger correlation to maturity than how much fame someone has on an Internet game so...

What I meant was...

A 'low ranked' 'mature person' has the capacity to not be an arrogant ass when being given instructions/training whereas a high ranked player can still be a bad choice for a team if they're immature.

Kyp Jade · Nov 26, 2007, 07:13 PM // 19:13

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Originally Posted by Asrial

What I meant was...

A 'low ranked' 'mature person' has the capacity to not be an arrogant ass when being given instructions/training whereas a high ranked player can still be a bad choice for a team if they're immature.

A high ranked mature person has the capacity to not be an arrogant ass when given instructions, wheras a low rank player can still be a bad choice for the team if they are immature.

Riotgear · Nov 26, 2007, 10:35 PM // 22:35

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Originally Posted by Asrial

What I find interesting is...

The original poster is talking about how annoying the low ranked people are... when the original poster couldn't even prevent being banned on a public forum.

Which obviously has a massive impact on the validity of his argument.

Div · Nov 26, 2007, 10:56 PM // 22:56

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Originally Posted by Zui

You can if you have a gold cape (maybe a silver one too, I don't know). Although, this is mostly due to people not asking for your rank; if you tell them you're less than r9, they'll kick you.

That was under the assumption that you're just a starting PvPer and not well known yet. Or haven't bought your way into a trimmed guild. If they were already legitimately in a trimmed guild, then they should have no problems with finding top 200 guilds or high ranked groups.

Legendary Shiz · Nov 27, 2007, 12:19 AM // 00:19

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Originally Posted by Asrial

What I meant was...

A 'low ranked' 'mature person' has the capacity to not be an arrogant ass when being given instructions/training whereas a high ranked player can still be a bad choice for a team if they're immature.

I never understood some peoples logic when they're thinking about this.

If I'm starting an r9+ PuG (lol wut?) and some r3 asks to join, and an r9 asks to join why wouldn't I take the r9 (supposing the r3 is unknown to me and without trim)? It's simple logic, sure the r3 could be a better player than the r9 no doubt. But unfortunately I don't think some people are realizing that the number of bad r3s if far, far larger than the number of bad r9s (even though that number is disappointingly large).

Maybe I have a bad view of things, who knows. But IMO there's a better chance of the r9 being better than the r3, simple as that. I'll take my chances and play the odds.

Deaths · Nov 27, 2007, 02:29 AM // 02:29

I have a long range in training new players into HA. I have trained more then 100 players and come to this conclusion.

I gave up on training ppl.

The reasons:

1. The reason most of them play HA is rank and emote. After they got the emote they desire, they just leave the PvP section. After longer invitations they just say im not interested. Its fine if they leave HA for GvG. But most of them leave PvP entilry. I dont see the point anymore in training ppl.

2. Its not hard to train new players into HA. After a couple of times u will just see that every new player is doing the same mistakes. Its easy to observe them , and find their weak points. The real problem lies in the feedback. A guy with a lot more expirience is willing to help u out, but nearly every new player to PvP is saying the same thing. I did the right thing. I am not the reason why the team lost the game. The important part in this is, That i say to very new player this is a training mission, and i have to tell ppl what they do wrong. This can be done step by step. And one player after another. Most of the new players just say dont flame because u lost. U can be mature, but its just depressing to hear it everytime, from nearly each new player.

3. In the early times of GW most of the PvP players had expirince form other PvP matches and adapted fast into the flow of PvP in GW. Or they played GW for the sake of PvP. Nowadays we get new PvP players just from the Pve section. This is important for A-Net. But most of the PvE players are allredy "expierinced" in the game. They just dont see the point that PvP has his own rules and are not willing to change their thinking. Or they just adapt to the ways of PvP to slow. Nowadays if u train a new player its just taking ages to show him that PvP is not PvE and he is nearly enitrly new to a playstyle. They are just not willing to accept that they are newbs.

4. Their is something called fame farming. Farming is a word from the PvE section. And got his way into HA from the PvE players. Nowadays most ppl who come from PvE to PvP are just captured in the idea of Farming a Titel like they did in the PvE section. Or they are farming the HoH chest.

5. Early in the game it was important to find a skilled player. Nowadays expirience > skill. This will angry a lot of players. But the PvP section (and this includes GvG too) is in a stacknation. Most skills are well known. The minor changes or the so called ballanced updates doesnt change alot of things. PPl just use another skill. And this adaption is really fast. In a week the entire PvP sections alrdy adapted to the new rules of PvP. Skill is then shown when ppl recieve an unexpected situation. But right now their are so less surprise situations, that ppl with less skill can still be good players like a good skilled player. Just becasue of more expirince. And yes early in the game it was hard to find good monks. Because they need skill to play it. Nowadays an expirinced Monk is nearly the same worth then an skilled and expirinced monk.
And yes i am still angry at A-net because they nerfed OG-Spike. It was just funny to see the "skilled" players in GvG, how they adapted to a new situation. They thought dead.

Asrial · Nov 27, 2007, 04:26 AM // 04:26

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Originally Posted by Legendary Shiz

I never understood some peoples logic when they're thinking about this.

My logic is that it's not RANK that makes someone a great player in a team environment.

The attitude of "if you're not rank X, you can't play" that all the teams have is why I don't play HA.

Legendary Shiz · Nov 27, 2007, 05:08 AM // 05:08

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Originally Posted by Asrial

My logic is that it's not RANK that makes someone a great player in a team environment.

The attitude of "if you're not rank X, you can't play" that all the teams have is why I don't play HA.

Aaaaaaaaaaaand you missed my point completely.

I never once said rank = skill. But when I don't know either people, it's simple logic to take the high ranked player because of the simple odds of them being the better player. Are they going to be? Who knows, but if I'm chancing a PuG I'd rather chance a r9 pug than a r3 pug. What's wrong with thinking like that?

I get the feeling you're one of the r3s crying because they can't find a group, more so than a PvPer concerned for the HA community.

DarkGanni · Nov 27, 2007, 06:09 AM // 06:09

The reason why I don't HA is because of this:

Rank9 Player: GLF bla bla bla rank 9+
Rank3 Player: Rank3+ Can play most builds

Only Chance where low rank players are able to play with "high" ranked ones is as friends, as with pugs the chance is very low.

infymys · Nov 27, 2007, 08:06 AM // 08:06

High ranked people were once unranked (not including ebayers) and had to deal with finding groups, making flists, etc., etc. just like all those low ranked people complaining now. But guess what? They worked, grinded and fame farmed to where they are now.

Higher rank does not necessarily mean better skill but at least better experience and an understanding of what's going on. Lower ranked people bitch at R9+ not letting them into groups but why not bitch at those R4+ groups since they do the exact same thing? And besides, 75%+ of the high ranked teams playing are either guild groups or friends who have been playing together for a while. So, why not do the same? Join an HA guild, make some friends. Quit wasting time by complaining.

tha_jimbow · Nov 28, 2007, 05:08 PM // 17:08

ok, I'm a low rank player (havent got a rank at all actually ><) but I have been playing PvE for almost 2 years...

I know that I'm not good at HA, but I like to do it and I like to learn it, the problem is that nobody and I mean nobody wants to learn me, cause I got no rank...

Kyp Jade · Nov 28, 2007, 05:25 PM // 17:25

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Originally Posted by tha_jimbow

ok, I'm a low rank player (havent got a rank at all actually ><) but I have been playing PvE for almost 2 years...

I know that I'm not good at HA, but I like to do it and I like to learn it, the problem is that nobody and I mean nobody wants to learn me, cause I got no rank...

You have been playing for 2 years, you must have some kind of friends list, so make your own group with your friends, and pug som epeople when your short. DO that for awhile and your well on your way to learning the format, and hey after a few months ull be pretty good too.

tha_jimbow · Nov 28, 2007, 07:27 PM // 19:27

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Originally Posted by Kyp Jade

You have been playing for 2 years, you must have some kind of friends list, so make your own group with your friends, and pug som epeople when your short. DO that for awhile and your well on your way to learning the format, and hey after a few months ull be pretty good too.

sounds good, but if I'm only playing PvE, how could I have friends who play PvP, there's just one guy I know who plays PvP and that's not enough...
can't go to his guild either, cause his guild says I'm too low ranked

Legendary Shiz · Nov 28, 2007, 09:36 PM // 21:36

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Originally Posted by tha_jimbow

sounds good, but if I'm only playing PvE, how could I have friends who play PvP, there's just one guy I know who plays PvP and that's not enough...
can't go to his guild either, cause his guild says I'm too low ranked

The point of your friendslist is so you don't HAVE to be in the same guild as someone to stay in constant contact with them. If he's your friend, get him to play. Maybe he'll bring along a guildie or two as well. Have him search his flist or alliance or whatever for more people to come. Eventually you make friends with his friends, and continue on with the process.

elektra_lucia · Dec 01, 2007, 11:54 PM // 23:54

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What I find interesting is...

The original poster is talking about how annoying the low ranked people are... when the original poster couldn't even prevent being banned on a public forum.

Here's how I classify the 'split' in skill..

Mature vs Immature.

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Which obviously has a massive impact on the validity of his argument.

Just to make something clear, Nurse didn't ban me or such. It was from PVE section. I think because I seemed offensive towards people running heal breeze or something. You are of course welcome to click my profile and search previous posts; however, something else I would like to add: I hope that the validity of my argument was not voided due to me being immature, banned, or otherwise. The reason I say this is because, my argument was not actually to prove I am mature. It was not to prove I won't get banned.

It was to give understanding as to why sometimes high rank people won't accept low rank people. Also, this thread wasn't to just talk about how annoying low rank people are. It certainly was not a whine thread. I think you missed the point completely. Anyway, hope it is cleared up now.

I suggest to everyone, you play every lame build possible. I have done a bit of spiritway. Not going to lie, it has helped me. I think that it helps to play lame builds to know how to combat them. Granted, you will already have a good understanding if you know how to play the game BUT it really does help to have hands on experience. You can see what effects the group more when skill X gets diverted. Etc. Although I think this suggestion is perfectly valid, I don't suggest you play lame builds for more than a few weeks. The abuse in game, and the enemies you will make will be a great problem.

By the time you have got a bit of fame with every lame build, you should be ranked at least

. This does not mean IWAY and stick to IWAY by the way.

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The reason why I don't HA is because of this:

Rank9 Player: GLF bla bla bla rank 9+
Rank3 Player: Rank3+ Can play most builds

Only Chance where low rank players are able to play with "high" ranked ones is as friends, as with pugs the chance is very low.

I agree, some what. Nothing more annoying than inviting a rank3 because you feel in a weird mood oneday only to find out he doesn't have the skills of ANY bars you want him to run.

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what i find funny is that many of the low rankers who complain of discrimination turn around and discriminate those of lower rank themselves
i cant help but lol when i see stuff like "rank 5+"

Yeah, that is what I was trying to point out with this thread. Every low rank player thinks he is that talented player that deserves to be in any group. Due to arrogance, they will then happily rank discriminate because they don't think anyone can be as good as them.

I still play with low rank people sometimes, when there's nothing better to do. It can be fun. Rather depends on mood though, sometimes you just won't want to argue with someone stubborn who doesn't grasp the game, but sometimes you will. Well, I find that anyway :].

Kiasyd117 · Dec 02, 2007, 03:50 PM // 15:50

I agree with you 100% elektra, I'm only r4 and have no doubt that the amount of mistakes I make in a match are endless.

It would be easy for me to declare myself better than even other r4s but I can't really do that as I suspect there are many better than me.

The only thing I will say is that it would help low/mid rank players out if there were more low/mid ranked teams formed to gain this experience, RA / TA are not the same and the multitude of insaneway teams I have been on serve only to decrease my skills.