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Krill · Mar 26, 2009, 04:04 PM // 16:04

I don't really see an LC being that defensive since it is essentially the new tainted warder, something that had been ran forever. The RoJ smiter is also offense since most of their energy goes to maintaining SoH's and using RoJ. What about builds like legoway that had 2 DA paras and a water ele? Crappy as heroes are I don't see *Nion's build as much more defensive than old builds or the current balanced.

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Because of the shit win conditions in HoH. Before they changed the conditions you only had to hold off a gank for at most 2 minutes (well, usually). Now you are often going to have to hold them off for a full match.

Unless you get ganked by bspike night after night

But gee...who else brought builds to HoH that couldn't possibly hold so they ganked.

TheHaxor · Mar 26, 2009, 04:17 PM // 16:17

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

As Grom said:

LC: Snares, Faint and coverhexes.

lol! I hope this seriously is a troll. First of all, our necro doesn't even use the snare skills unless its cap points or relic run (obs him and prove me wrong). Second of all, the ward is necessary because of relic run. We wouldn't bring any of the snare shit if we didn't have to.

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

Smite Monk: Smite MONK (or gwen)

Anyone who has actually played the smiter knows that it doesn't have shit for defense. It is there to buff our offense. The smite skills are used on our frontline to clean them and produce more damage. The only skill used defensively on that character is RoD. That's hardly a large amount of defense.

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

Gwen: Defensive shutdown + Insane prots (or smite monk)

Gwen is run because of the need for off monk party heals. The non-elite party heals supplied for the monk class are not very good. Heal Party requires HB to even be something resembling efficient. However, HB is so easy to shut down due to lolrendenchantments. LoD has a shitty recharge so it isn't an option.

The ritualist class supplies the best non-elite party heals in the game. So this at the very least locks us into a /Rt secondary. The build was lacking in disruption, which becomes important on KotH and relic run for interrupting snares. This is why we run the Me/Rt. It simply fits in with our build.

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

PnH: No need to explain how the Mo/P is defence

Too bad we don't run a PnH. You should obs a little better.

Why are you so bad at discussion?

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

2 Monks...

okay lews

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

Don't skip math class for GW haxxor, it's not worth it

You really are as stupid as you sound aren't you? I don't think you understand the difference between a dedicated defensive character and a defensive play style. You can play defensively with most builds in the game, but that doesn't make them defensive characters. I guess frontliners are defensive characters too because they can lineback opposing offense! Stupid shitter.

Killed u man · Mar 26, 2009, 04:49 PM // 16:49

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Originally Posted by TheHaxor

lol! I hope this seriously is a troll. First of all, our necro doesn't even use the snare skills unless its cap points or relic run (obs him and prove me wrong). Second of all, the ward is necessary because of relic run.

1) So you're admitting your guild is bad at even playing something as simple as buttonbash bars?

2) So a ritspike wasn't really an overpowered build, as long as they didn't use too many heals?

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Originally Posted by TheHaxor

The only skill used defensively on that character is RoD. That's hardly a large amount of defense

RoD IS defence. RoD can easily deal 100+ damage on a frenzied warrior, it reduces the next hit (I don't know if it' still glitched where it stops ALL damage, and revert whatever the damage was. So in theory, it could stop a 10000000 damage spell from killing you. Don't know if it's fixed), so in essence, it's a XX heal (For how many damage it migates) + Divine heal, it's a cover enchant and it makes enemy warriors think twice about frenzy'ing...

I was talking about the Mo/P in general, not just your build. After watching you, and your necro I really couldn't get myself to watch the rest of the match. It was already sad enough you managed to win that match. (The other team didn't even run a single relic)

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Originally Posted by TheHaxor

The ritualist class supplies the best non-elite party heals in the game. So this at the very least locks us into a /Rt secondary. The build was lacking in disruption, which becomes important on KotH and relic run for interrupting snares. This is why we run the Me/Rt. It simply fits in with our build.

So you're admitting your guild doesn't have any player who is good at the only possible "skillfull" bar you can put in your build, which is a dom mesmer. (And even that is a joke in HA)
A good dom mesmer > gwen on shutdown. Maybe you should recruit some PvE'ers who CAN interrupt a 2 seconds cast rend. (Enchant removal took a LARGE hit, hence why I don't understand why people arn't running HB again)

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Originally Posted by TheHaxor

okay lews (On the reply you also had 2 Monks)

1) 1 + 1 = 2. As I recall you DID have 2 Monks?

2) And if your not laughing about the fact that you DID have 2 Monks (what's funny about that really?), you were maybe laughing on how bad those 2 Monks were?

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Originally Posted by TheHaxor

I guess frontliners are defensive characters too because they can lineback opposing offense! Stupid shitter.

It's not all black and white as you think it is. But yeah, if you want to be a little bitch about it, frontliners ARE defensive characters when used that way.
If your sin (PS, I gues he's too bad to run a BB. Lame as BB is, many people still can't pull off the weapon swapping, sad guild is sad I gues) spams his Palm strike on a frontliner, buttonbashing his attack skills in between, than yeah, that IS effective shutdown, and hence defence...

But all of this doesn't even matter. Are you REALLY trying to defend your guild by prooving you're "not" running a lame, buttonbash build?

Common, go ask ANYONE in HA ID1: "Who is [Nion]?" Watch how long it takes for someone to reply:

Guild that farms dead-hour AT's, and that plays gwen-way in HA. What skillfull players? :s

I'm sorry, but it's just not happening. Your guild IS bad, and just like [mOwl], [vM ], [aaaa], etc... are one build-guild wonders, so is your guild.

TheHaxor · Mar 26, 2009, 06:16 PM // 18:16

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

1) So you're admitting your guild is bad at even playing something as simple as buttonbash bars?

The snare skills are a waste of energy for that necro. We want him using his offensive skills against teams, not 15e defensive ones. It has nothing to do with his play skill at all. If he snares, then he will use grasping and it will be for offensive purposes (sup AoE).

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

RoD IS defence. RoD can easily deal 100+ damage on a frenzied warrior, it reduces the next hit (I don't know if it' still glitched where it stops ALL damage, and revert whatever the damage was. So in theory, it could stop a 10000000 damage spell from killing you. Don't know if it's fixed), so in essence, it's a XX heal (For how many damage it migates) + Divine heal, it's a cover enchant and it makes enemy warriors think twice about frenzy'ing...

In case you haven't noticed, it is pretty difficult to spam the shit out of RoD when you have to maintain 2 SoH and keep the frontline clean. It serves its purpose on KotH where the little extra defense is welcomed. RoD is defense, but it is pretty shitty defense. Having one dedicated defensive skill doesn't make that character a defensive character.

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

I was talking about the Mo/P in general, not just your build. After watching you, and your necro I really couldn't get myself to watch the rest of the match. It was already sad enough you managed to win that match. (The other team didn't even run a single relic)

We don't run a Mo/P. Our strategy on relic run is to wipe you. If you insist on power running, then we will wipe your block team. Gym does his job just fine as the snare on that map considering he gets very little assistance.

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

So you're admitting your guild doesn't have any player who is good at the only possible "skillfull" bar you can put in your build, which is a dom mesmer. (And even that is a joke in HA) A good dom mesmer > gwen on shutdown. Maybe you should recruit some PvE'ers who CAN interrupt a 2 seconds cast rend. (Enchant removal took a LARGE hit, hence why I don't understand why people arn't running HB again)

lol? This has to be the dumbest thing I've ever read. We have people capable of running dom mesmers, but running a dom mesmer at this time is stupid. Losing the Me/Rt means we lose the off monk party heals. This is stupid. The only spot where it could work is in place of the LC. However, there is no point to running a shutdown character when you can run broken offense like an LC necro, which does a decent job screwing monks itself due to rip and rend. Besides, you only need a couple hard interrupts for KotH. That's it. Why would I dedicate an entire character for shutdown when I only need a couple skills? Your reasoning is typical euro bullshit. You can go ahead and continue running your bad dom mesmers and losing to bad teams all day.

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

1) 1 + 1 = 2. As I recall you DID have 2 Monks?

2) And if your not laughing about the fact that you DID have 2 Monks (what's funny about that really?), you were maybe laughing on how bad those 2 Monks were?

I probably should just okay lews your entire post.

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

It's not all black and white as you think it is. But yeah, if you want to be a little bitch about it, frontliners ARE defensive characters when used that way.
If your sin (PS, I gues he's too bad to run a BB. Lame as BB is, many people still can't pull off the weapon swapping, sad guild is sad I gues) spams his Palm strike on a frontliner, buttonbashing his attack skills in between, than yeah, that IS effective shutdown, and hence defence...

First of all, learn to read. I stated that there is a difference between playing defensively and having dedicated defensive characters. No shit it isn't black and white. We don't play defensively. We play balls to the wall. Anyone who has played against us or watch us would agree with that.

We don't run a BB sin because it's bad. That BB works real well when you try to snare relic runners with AoS on them doesn't it? I think I'll take the 4 second cripple that recharges every 4 seconds. Also, I find it funny that you're shit talking Selket considering he used to farm shitters like you all day in Factions.

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

But all of this doesn't even matter. Are you REALLY trying to defend your guild by prooving you're "not" running a lame, buttonbash build?

Common, go ask ANYONE in HA ID1: "Who is [Nion]?" Watch how long it takes for someone to reply:

Guild that farms dead-hour AT's, and that plays gwen-way in HA. What skillfull players? :s

I'm sorry, but it's just not happening. Your guild IS bad, and just like [mOwl], [vM ], [aaaa], etc... are one build-guild wonders, so is your guild.

You are entitled to your opinion. While you're crying here, we will just continue to farm shitters like you. Skill is shown through how good your tactics are from map to map. Anyone who isn't a bad ritspiker like you realizes this. We play tactically well, which is why we win.

At the end of the day I realize I'm trying to have a discussion with a bad ritspiker who thinks he's good even though he hasn't done anything relevant since ritspike got nerfed. You calling us and our build bad really doesn't have an effect since you're a joke.

Killed u man · Mar 26, 2009, 07:56 PM // 19:56

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Originally Posted by TheHaxor

Skill is shown through how good your tactics are from map to map. We play tactically well, which is why we win.

Ignorance is bliss.

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Originally Posted by TheHaxor

At the end of the day I realize I'm trying to have a discussion with a bad ritspiker who thinks he's good even though he hasn't done anything relevant since ritspike got nerfed. You calling us and our build bad really doesn't have an effect since you're a joke.

-BB-way (Don't even compare BB-sin to ANY of the bars on your build, really, you're already making a fool out of yourself)
-SoTS-spike
-ANY kind of spike you can probably imagine

-Axe warrior
-Hammer Warrior, one who CAN quarterknock. (Don't think I didn't see U against that IWAY in Antechamber)
-Dagger Warrior

And alot more meta/original builds... (If you were to ACTUALLY OBSERVE ME, you'dd realize how in the past months, I've been in HoH always running Hammer, Axe or Dagger warrior, or whatever people need me on. I'm NOT a one build wonder, I last...)

Talking about strategy anyways:

Is that why it took you 4 minutes to get the upper-hand against an IWAY in Ante-Chamber?
If they weren't R6+ (Some of them were r4-5), I REALLY would have placed 500 zkeys on them actually beating you. THAT'S how good your strategy was.

You guys had 5+ people on individuals shrines, you never managed to body block a Ghostly proporly, YOU (as Hammer warrior) spend 30 seconds building without unloading once, and then stand still for another 30 seconds loosing your adrenaline...

Please, don't discuss the insane tactics/skills your guild has. Whilst you can brag, and pose here all you want, you've got observer against you.

Tip: Drop out of top100, and THEN start talking on how good you are. Atleast then people can't observe your guild and see individually for each player how bad they are.

Wait! Correction: Gwen was actually pretty good, atleast you've got that going for you

Krill · Mar 26, 2009, 08:25 PM // 20:25

lol, oddly enough I was playing with that iway on antechamber. We had no vent, a language barrier and completely zerg rushed it. I noticed that for a good portion of the match Gwen was left flagged off in BFE doing nothing.

Still lame to call people out on forums though for specific mistakes though

Killed u man · Mar 26, 2009, 08:56 PM // 20:56

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Originally Posted by arienrhode

lol, oddly enough I was playing with that iway on antechamber. We had no vent, a language barrier and completely zerg rushed it. I noticed that for a good portion of the match Gwen was left flagged off in BFE doing nothing.

Still lame to call people out on forums though for specific mistakes though

Don't run trashbuilds and claim you're a good player when the opposite is true. For both you being a "good" player and you running "balanced" builds. (This was not directed to you arien, but to hax)

I'm really sorry, but if you're a shit player, running nothing but shitbuilds in a shitguild, i'll call you out whereever you or I am. Even more so on a forum when you're posing as a guy who actually thinks he knows what he's talking about...

Krill · Mar 26, 2009, 09:24 PM // 21:24

I only run iway cuz there's literally nothing else to pug besides teaseway after 8 EST and it's the only pug build atm that beats teaseway.

Monk Gsb · Mar 26, 2009, 09:31 PM // 21:31

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

Your guild IS bad, and just like [mOwl], [vM ], [aaaa], [Ee], etc... are one build-guild wonders, so is your guild.

fix'd.

rit spike got nerfed, where did Ee go ?...

oh u just got pwnt, btw "i made it so its ok for me to use" dont mean that your not a one build-guild wonder. also dont say well we done XXXX caster spike as well, cause there all the same to play, 1 caller, 6 support, 1 main infuse / sb / prot / person who makes ppl not do the death thing.

hurric · Mar 26, 2009, 10:16 PM // 22:16

I don't care about the above "srs internet fight" and didn't read it all but

there's no denying that heroes are still overpowered and locked heroes are more overpowered because Gwen doesn't let cast anything besides cry and p-drain and PD when on mesmer

while healing the team and putting weapons

TheHaxor · Mar 27, 2009, 03:54 AM // 03:54

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

Don't run trashbuilds and claim you're a good player when the opposite is true. For both you being a "good" player and you running "balanced" builds. (This was not directed to you arien, but to hax)

I would like you to highlight one time where I called that build balanced and where I called myself a good player. You can go ahead and search all night because it didn't happen. The only thing I've established is that you are not a good player even though you claim to be.

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

-BB-way (Don't even compare BB-sin to ANY of the bars on your build, really, you're already making a fool out of yourself)
-SoTS-spike
-ANY kind of spike you can probably imagine

You don't ring a bell, sorry. You are a legend in your own mind.

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

-Axe warrior
-Hammer Warrior, one who CAN quarterknock. (Don't think I didn't see U against that IWAY in Antechamber)
-Dagger Warrior

I can actually quarterknock. In fact it was on obs on the previous mathces. Sorry for not quarterknocking iway warriors I'll do it better next time I promise (actually I don't because I don't care). Also, don't kid yourself. You only run that retarded dagger warrior that you claim to have made (you didn't). You can't quarterknock.

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

Talking about strategy anyways:

Is that why it took you 4 minutes to get the upper-hand against an IWAY in Ante-Chamber?
If they weren't R6+ (Some of them were r4-5), I REALLY would have placed 500 zkeys on them actually beating you. THAT'S how good your strategy was.

It was IWAY, therefore no one gave a shit. We could have played that match 2 people down and probably would still end up winning.

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

You guys had 5+ people on individuals shrines, you never managed to body block a Ghostly proporly, YOU (as Hammer warrior) spend 30 seconds building without unloading once, and then stand still for another 30 seconds loosing your adrenaline...

I honestly don't know what you're talking about because that never happened. If you are referring to when I went and capped center, then the reason is I didn't want to open the gate and allow them to enter center since they had no one on gate control.

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

Please, don't discuss the insane tactics/skills your guild has. Whilst you can brag, and pose here all you want, you've got observer against you.

Observer isn't against me. You're just a retard. Our strategy is to cap the back shrine with the ghostly+smiter, make haste the assassin at 9 seconds to start in order to run across and open the gate, and send the warrior+snare (make hasted when match starts) to their gate to block the switch. Once our back is capped, our smiter comes down with ghost and that side of the split goes to the center while the other two continue to block the lever. If we reach the center at the same time, then we wipe them with our large amount of AoE. We mirror whatever they split into our base. Actually, we usually end up slitting back damage and wiping what we have in our base then pushing center. Once we wipe them in the center we push their base and we don't allow them to leave it.

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

Tip: Drop out of top100, and THEN start talking on how good you are. Atleast then people can't observe your guild and see individually for each player how bad they are.

Tip: try actually being good at the game before claiming you are. Also, try winning halls before you start shit talking other teams that actually do win halls. This is where you start to claim that you don't play the game, but that's obviously false because we have farmed your ass during euro hour before.

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Wait! Correction: Gwen was actually pretty good, atleast you've got that going for you

Are you retarded? Gwen is by far the worst player on the team on any tactical map. She won't stand on shrines to cap them. She lacks the ability to think for herself. She can't pick up a relic. She can't kite out of AoE effectively. I'm pretty sure that makes her bad.

In summary, you are a bad shitter that can't win halls and certainly can't beat [Nion]. You resort to crying about everything being overpowered on here because you can't beat it. You can't speak English very well and hold the same ideals as other bad Europeans. You are the very definition of a shitter. You know that point where you stop posting because you can only make yourself look worse? Yeah, this is that point for you.

Shmanka · Mar 27, 2009, 05:22 AM // 05:22

Dear Killed u man,
I lead [Nion], I am also glad to say that I have also done a few radio show interviews on my perspective on pvp with Dj Tesla. Alot of people know my perspective on GW PvP, so I will properly inform you about [Nion]. I play with the HA team often not at all times, I do all the playing in GvG mainly warrior. We are a guild that aims to evaluate ourselves, and increase our skills, tactics, and improve on all of those areas for competition in any pvp format. First off, we won't be leaving top 100 soon on purpose for the HA reasons that you claim.

Our Guild is filled with North Americans, and our Monks are Western Time Zone, meaning there is sadly only one AT time that is convinient for us. This AT is usually during the 4 days a week we are scheduled, and those AT's usually contain anywhere from 8-16 guilds on average with about 1/3 forfeiting. This is an American playtime problem, not an exploitation we are all attempting to abuse. Sadly, I can agree with you that it doesn't represent the skill level of other guilds qualifying for monthly tournaments. If I had it my way, we would play during lunch hour to get higher level competition, but that is ridiculious to ask seven other players with schedules that include University, College, Work, and Family.

Second, you're horrible. I know who you are, and people in this guild know who you are. You are notorious for "gimmick" builds. Your fame amount has increased on the basis of large exploitations of skills. In my opinion, you are the product of double fame weekends. Someone with high rank and high ego.

Thirdly, half of our gvg core is fluent in Domination Mesmer, and from my recollection, there is most likely only one or two American players at most that defeat me on silver capes playing as a domination mesmer. Other high ranked gvg monks have commented to me after matches saying that I really pose a threat whenever I play, infact most european guilds ask me to guest domination for them on a consistant basis. I have played in European guilds for a long time in gvg, and those are actually my origins starting in the game, where Falcon, Durge, and Fish pretty much taught me everything.

As for the HA profession choices the [Nion] members have done exactly what the GvG division has done, increased their own skill and tactics, I agree that domination mesmers pretty much serve good purposes. Although, where we disagree is that those purposes are incomparable to higher amounts of AoE damage and other offensive smite skills. On that same token, personally, I also do not like Gwen or any other heroes whatsoever. I think they should be removed from pvp entirely. Sadly, I will admit to exploiting whatever factors are necessary. Gwen has alot of disadvantages, including kiting. The most advantageous portion is that it is a robot for field awareness, and opponent skill usage in one package. Why would you run a domination mesmer, when there is a non-lag super field aware, with healing buffs and anti spike available for you?

From these massive amounts of posts, I can see why you are worked up, sadly that reason is because you really are ignorant. You are wasting your time pointing out simple humanoid mistakes such as "unloading adrenaline", or "didn't swap weapon sets at a perfect moment" these mistakes you are pointing out to the public occur in the thousands range for every pvp match in GW history from RA to high level GvG.

So here is the end, my IGN is Shmanka Zero if you believe you are better players, then I would like to learn from you. PM me with a challenge time and the group you are with, I promise that I will do my best to arrange a time where we can synchronize in HA, and then we can both look on observer mode afterwards. Because either way, this is how I see it. When you lose, don't lose the lesson.

Motoko · Mar 27, 2009, 06:02 AM // 06:02

I love Haxor.

<3

Kyp Jade · Mar 27, 2009, 11:10 AM // 11:10

Shmanka is my hero. I miss old Luck days when you were my core dom
sadly my guild has been noobified

Il Tahlkora Il · Apr 07, 2009, 04:45 AM // 04:45

you guys suck, i am the best.

House Silvermoon · Apr 07, 2009, 06:52 AM // 06:52

this coming from scam, who runs lamer shit then killed u man.

Killed u man · Apr 07, 2009, 04:02 PM // 16:02

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Originally Posted by Monk Gsb

fix'd.

rit spike got nerfed, where did Ee go ?...

I never was leader of eE, merely the guy who called the tactics.

You have NO clue what you're talking about. Neither about GvG or HA, so please, don't try to act as if you're part of the big boys...

Every PvE'er in this game knows either [NaNa] or [Dent], which both were my guilds. (Hero left the game, and I couldn't be asked to take over eE, GvG is a joke) We held so often, even the people in Pre-Searing ascalon remember both NaNa, and Dents tag, whoru really?

Anyways, what do YOU DO? Nothing, I never see you involved in any top PvP, besides an occasional bitch caster with Gsb in his name, so I can only assume it's you.

Both me (under my names), [Dent] and [NaNa] have been holding with more original build, and versatile ones than you, or every top elitist GvG'er could only dream off.

But you're just a nobody, and I definatly love all your trolls on these forums, which makes no sense whatsoever. But only add to my believe that you fill your days living your illusions that you're a good player, and actually can compete in top PvP.

Have a nice day, sir.

Divinus Stella · Apr 07, 2009, 04:19 PM // 16:19

I have no idea who [NaNa] or [Dent] are, am i missing something?

Dronte · Apr 07, 2009, 04:46 PM // 16:46

I remember seeing them playing extreme gimmicks (dual bb 3 eles 3 monks for example), then disappearing as fast as they appeared. Cant see what he is so proud of.

ZenRgy · Apr 07, 2009, 04:50 PM // 16:50

Killed u man is the best player this game has ever seen, please stand down in presence of his glory.