Curse

Phe Belladona · May 02, 2009, 01:13 AM // 01:13

i would hardly say it was "knee jerk" after the number of golds rawr won with that rt

Morgoth the dark · May 05, 2009, 09:08 AM // 09:08

[QUOTE=SimplyAmazing;4613066]do not touch RoJ, as it's the only offensive skill that monk's have that is effective.
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uhm... AI spread fix plz.

InfestedHydralisk · May 05, 2009, 04:07 PM // 16:07

things i really want to see nerfed is: [Peace and Harmony], [Lingering Curse], [Warrior's Endurance], [Palm Strike], Fast Casting

Ec]-[oMaN · May 05, 2009, 04:57 PM // 16:57

SSDM
Same shiz different month. Probably best not to buff anything this time around, spike skills in general need a looking into also.

Warrior

[Warrior's Endurance] (stance) let it fill niche builds/roles again

Ranger

[Melandru's Shot] remove +dmg, change to normal activation speed

[Hunters Shot] 10e, 8 second recharge. It's a 1 second activation with+dmg+condi, low recharge, low e cost. Comparing it to screaming it's just way out of whack.

Elementalist

[Mind Shock] half casting range

[Mirror of Ice] Stacks the dmg instead of separate dmg source.

[Shell Shock] 10e

Necro

[Strip Enchantment] 20 recharge

[Rend Enchantments] 30 recharge

[Rip Enchantment] 12 recharge

[Gaze of Contempt] 20 recharge

[Lingering Curse] 10 energy/20% less healing, duration 20 [email protected] curses

[Pain of Disenchantment] 2 second cast time

[Foul Feast] Conditions removed limited to 3, 3/4 cast +remove health gain. Having the skill do both is rather retarded, draw pales in comparison and is limited to going monk secondary at least limiting the use of stances unless on a primary monk.

[Plague Sending] 17% sac/3 condi's or leave at 10%sac 2 [email protected] curse

[Weaken Armor] 10e

Mesmer

-Fast casting only affects mesmer skills

[Power Block] 10e, disable for 1..10..12s

[Shatter Storm] 2 second cast

Ritualist

[Sundering Weapon] 10e

[Recuperation] 25e, 30 recharge, spirit dies after 25 seconds, even here it's still a potential 1200HP heal across 8 players if spirit lasts 25 seconds, probably just better to kill it off

[Protective Was Kaolai] 2 second cast

Monk

[Peace And Harmony] 3/4 cast time, removes 1...2 hex/condi, for x seconds condi's/hexes expire 50% faster

[Restore Condition] Limited to 4 conditions removed

[Draw Conditions] 3 conditions removed, 3/4 cast time

ele pl · May 05, 2009, 06:59 PM // 18:59

Oh em gee, i took my 20-30 minutes and read ALL posts starting from page 1. Conclusion: Remove ability to have secondary profession. This will fix 90 % problems.

Ah, and btw. no update in May, they were too busy about content update. Sorry.

lutz · May 05, 2009, 07:29 PM // 19:29

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Originally Posted by Ec]-[oMaN

SSDM
Same shiz different month. Probably best not to buff anything this time around, spike skills in general need a looking into also.

Warrior

[Warrior's Endurance] (stance) let it fill niche builds/roles again

Ranger

[Melandru's Shot] remove +dmg, or change to normal activation speed leave+dmg

[Hunters Shot] 10e, 8 second recharge. It's a 1 second activation with+dmg+condi, low recharge, low e cost. Comparing it to screaming it's just way out of whack.

Elementalist

[Mind Shock] half casting range

[Mirror of Ice] Stacks the dmg instead of separate dmg source.

[Shell Shock] 10e

Necro

[Strip Enchantment] 20 recharge

[Rend Enchantments] 30 recharge

[Rip Enchantment] 12 recharge

[Gaze of Contempt] 20 recharge

[Lingering Curse] 10 energy/20% less healing, duration 20 [email protected] curses

[Pain of Disenchantment] 2 second cast time

[Foul Feast] Conditions removed limited to 3, 3/4 cast +remove health gain. Having the skill do both is rather retarded, draw pales in comparison and is limited to going monk secondary at least limiting the use of stances unless on a primary monk.

[Plague Sending] 17% sac/3 condi's or leave at 10%sac 2 [email protected] curse

[Weaken Armor] 10e

Mesmer

-Fast casting only affects mesmer skills

[Power Block] 10e, disable for 1..10..12s

[Shatter Storm] 2 second cast

Ritualist

[Sundering Weapon] 10e

[Recuperation] 25e, 30 recharge, spirit dies after 25 seconds, even here it's still a potential 1200HP heal across 8 players if spirit lasts 25 seconds, probably just better to kill it off

[Protective Was Kaolai] 2 second cast

Monk

[Peace And Harmony] 3/4 cast time, removes 1...2 hex/condi, for x seconds condi's/hexes expire 50% faster

[Restore Condition] Limited to 4 conditions removed

[Draw Conditions] 3 conditions removed, 3/4 cast time

Dartboard nerfs on condition removal.
lol.

ele pl · May 05, 2009, 07:33 PM // 19:33

In my opinion, problem with guild wars balance, is that it is so hard to balance. Anet has to choose: either balance skills among others in one profession, or balance professions against each other. Balance is, when those 2 points are balanced, and its hard to balance both at once. But in my opinion, they should firstly balance skills in one profession to add more variety.

Metatail · May 05, 2009, 07:46 PM // 19:46

But balance is everywhere! Bad guys are abusing The Balance and such abuse leads Captain Planet to rise from his ashes and burn the fire off its place. Having burned everything around he proceeds to give world another chance, that's how he cleanses earth, purifies balance. But the old balance is still alive, balance and new balance fight against each other and boombah! The Overpowerness and Undercrapness stands tall, leading us the marshes of Maguuma. Thee shalln't be forgiven!

So let's draw the moral from this story - use but don't abuse! Nobody will notice and everything will be how it was!

InfestedHydralisk · May 05, 2009, 08:18 PM // 20:18

the problem with skill balance is the amount of skills in the game, there are so many skills. one will get abused due to more skill combinations

Killed u man · May 05, 2009, 08:58 PM // 20:58

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Originally Posted by InfestedHydralisk

the problem with skill balance is the amount of skills in the game, there are so many skills. one will get abused due to more skill combinations

Hence why you nerf, instead of making dartbuff buffs. Nerfing every skill a little bit a time will slowly create an equilibrium of ALL skills. Ok, some skills such as draw cond will ALWAYS get completely overshadowed by skills such as foul feast.

But other skills, such as axe elites (srsly who uses those nowadays?) will get on par with most str elites, etc.

Nerfing is the more obvious choice, rather than buffing...

Xyon the Greatest · May 05, 2009, 10:00 PM // 22:00

Okay I am bored so...

General Updates:

-Make Paragons more effective in PvP
-Buff Spawning Power
-Lessen Ranger's Crazy Elemental Defence on Armor (Because of there uncountable amount of blocking skills)

Specific Skill Updates:

Warrior:

["None Shall Pass!"] Make this so that Tactics is actually involved in the skill such as (0...3 nearby foes), and lower the recharge to 20/30

[Bull's Charge] Increase recharge to 30 and remove the "end if you use a skill" then It might actually be used for once

[Defy Pain] 8 Andrenaline, or lower the maximum health

[Shield Bash] Make it (2...9) seconds, if you nerf disciplined stance, you gotta nerf this, it is also very annoying.

Ranger:

[Crippling Shot] Increase Cripple to (3..16)

[Dryder's Defenses] This is just like invincibility for 10 seconds, lower the recharge to 45, lower the elemental protection, and lower the block to 50%

[Famine] Increase Damage to (25...80), Give a -1 Energy Degen, increase recharge to 45 seconds

[Greater Conflagration] Destroy this skill

[Hunter's Shot] Recharge to 12

[Incendiary Arrows] Increase burning to (0...5) seconds again

[Marksman's Wager] Destroy this skill, this is a joke skill

[Poison Arrow] There is something called poisin tip signet, or apply poison DESTROY

Monk:

[Balthazar's Pendulum] Also Deals (20...60) Damage when it takes effect

[Blessed Light] 5 Energy

[Healing Hands] 10 Energy, 15 recharge

[Life Barrier] Destroy this skill

[Peace and Harmony] 3/4 Cast, Lower Hex and Condition removal to (0..3..5)

[Word of Censure] 5 energy so then it could be somewhat compared to RoJ

Necromancer:

[Faintheartedness] Lower Duration to (3...14)

[Life Transfer] Lower Duration to (2...8)

[Lingering Curse] Lower Duration to (3...15)

[Pain of Disenchantment] Many people want to nerf this skill, but I wanna buff it to an elite rend enchantments: Change to "Remove all enchantments from target foe, for each enchantment removed target foe loses (10...40) health (Maximum 120)

[Rend Enchantments] Change to "Remove (4...10) enchantments, for each enchantment removed, you take (80...40) Damage" Make it 30 Recharge

[Rigor Mortis] Decrease duration to (3...15) seconds

Mesmer:

[Ineptitude] Lower Damage to (10...90), Lower recharge to 15

[Shatter Storm] Personally to me, this is a very wierd and old looking skill, I think it should be changed to "For 5 seconds all nearby foes take 30 damage and lose an enchantment a second" 3 Activation, 30 Recharge

Elementalist:

[Blurred Vision] Increase recharge to 15

[Crystal Wave][Teinai's Crystals] Take out the condition removal

[Ether Prism] Increase recharge to 20

Assassin:

[Beguiling Haze] 10 energy, 15 recharge

[Dark Escape] Way overpowered on monks, lower duration to (3...10)

[Dark Prison] Subs shadow prison, make it 45 second recharge/ (0...3) second

[Expose Defenses] 20 recharge, and (1...6) seconds, or sins will keep rigor mortising

[Feigned Neutrality] Annoying skill, decrease duration to (1...7) seconds, Increase duration to 45 seconds

[Mark of Insecurity] How about make it "For (3...15) seconds target foe cannot use stances"

[Shadow Prison] This is inferior to ["You're all alone!"] I would lower recharge to 15 seconds

[Shroud of Silence] Just delete this skill Anet if you hate it that bad

Ritualist:

[Ancestors' Rage (PvP)] Restore it back to PvE version

[Blind Was Mingson] Lower holding time to (10...30) Seconds

[Shadowsong] Lower blind to (1...3) Seconds

[Splinter Weapon (PvP)] Revert back to Pve Version

[Weapon of Shadow] Reduce blind to 2 seconds

Dervish:

[Onslaught] Increase duration to (8...30) seconds

[Pious Concentration] Increase recharge to 10 seconds

Paragon:

["Incoming!"] Increase duration to (2...7) seconds, and paragons might actually be able to be some kind of support in PvP

["The Power Is Yours!"] Increase duration to 5 seconds

[Defensive Anthem (PvP)] 10 energy, 20 recharge

[Song of Restoration (PvP)] 5 energy, 15 recharge

Oh ya, and also the majority of sin builds barely take any skill to use

lutz · May 05, 2009, 10:54 PM // 22:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xyon the Greatest

Okay I am bored so...

General Updates:

-Make Paragons more effective in PvP
-Buff Spawning Power
-Lessen Ranger's Crazy Elemental Defence on Armor (Because of there uncountable amount of blocking skills)

Specific Skill Updates:

Warrior:

["None Shall Pass!"] Make this so that Tactics is actually involved in the skill such as (0...3 nearby foes), and lower the recharge to 20/30

[Bull's Charge] Increase recharge to 30 and remove the "end if you use a skill" then It might actually be used for once

[Defy Pain] 8 Andrenaline, or lower the maximum health

[Shield Bash] Make it (2...9) seconds, if you nerf disciplined stance, you gotta nerf this, it is also very annoying.

Ranger:

[Crippling Shot] Increase Cripple to (3..16)

[Dryder's Defenses] This is just like invincibility for 10 seconds, lower the recharge to 45, lower the elemental protection, and lower the block to 50%

[Famine] Increase Damage to (25...80), Give a -1 Energy Degen, increase recharge to 45 seconds

[Greater Conflagration] Destroy this skill

[Hunter's Shot] Recharge to 12

[Incendiary Arrows] Increase burning to (0...5) seconds again

[Marksman's Wager] Destroy this skill, this is a joke skill

[Poison Arrow] There is something called poisin tip signet, or apply poison DESTROY

Monk:

[Balthazar's Pendulum] Also Deals (20...60) Damage when it takes effect

[Blessed Light] 5 Energy

[Healing Hands] 10 Energy, 15 recharge

[Life Barrier] Destroy this skill

[Peace and Harmony] 3/4 Cast, Lower Hex and Condition removal to (0..3..5)

[Word of Censure] 5 energy so then it could be somewhat compared to RoJ

Necromancer:

[Faintheartedness] Lower Duration to (3...14)

[Life Transfer] Lower Duration to (2...8)

[Lingering Curse] Lower Duration to (3...15)

[Pain of Disenchantment] Many people want to nerf this skill, but I wanna buff it to an elite rend enchantments: Change to "Remove all enchantments from target foe, for each enchantment removed target foe loses (10...40) health (Maximum 120)

[Rend Enchantments] Change to "Remove (4...10) enchantments, for each enchantment removed, you take (80...40) Damage" Make it 30 Recharge

[Rigor Mortis] Decrease duration to (3...15) seconds

Mesmer:

[Ineptitude] Lower Damage to (10...90), Lower recharge to 15

[Shatter Storm] Personally to me, this is a very wierd and old looking skill, I think it should be changed to "For 5 seconds all nearby foes take 30 damage and lose an enchantment a second" 3 Activation, 30 Recharge

Elementalist:

[Blurred Vision] Increase recharge to 15

[Crystal Wave][Teinai's Crystals] Take out the condition removal

[Ether Prism] Increase recharge to 20

Assassin:

[Beguiling Haze] 10 energy, 15 recharge

[Dark Escape] Way overpowered on monks, lower duration to (3...10)

[Dark Prison] Subs shadow prison, make it 45 second recharge/ (0...3) second

[Expose Defenses] 20 recharge, and (1...6) seconds, or sins will keep rigor mortising

[Feigned Neutrality] Annoying skill, decrease duration to (1...7) seconds, Increase duration to 45 seconds

[Mark of Insecurity] How about make it "For (3...15) seconds target foe cannot use stances"

[Shadow Prison] This is inferior to ["You're all alone!"] I would lower recharge to 15 seconds

[Shroud of Silence] Just delete this skill Anet if you hate it that bad

Ritualist:

[Ancestors' Rage (PvP)] Restore it back to PvE version

[Blind Was Mingson] Lower holding time to (10...30) Seconds

[Shadowsong] Lower blind to (1...3) Seconds

[Splinter Weapon (PvP)] Revert back to Pve Version

[Weapon of Shadow] Reduce blind to 2 seconds

This is all I have for now, I will come bak with more!

Please never post on any forum ever again.

Thats Too Bad · May 05, 2009, 10:58 PM // 22:58

I'd rather see buff over nerf, people think of good elites such as LC and WE because theyre BETTER than other elites, but i'd rather see useless elites buffed to the powercreeped-ness of WE and LC so that its all balanced and still be deadly as hell.

Xyon the Greatest · May 05, 2009, 11:19 PM // 23:19

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Originally Posted by Thats Too Bad

I'd rather see buff over nerf, people think of good elites such as LC and WE because theyre BETTER than other elites, but i'd rather see useless elites buffed to the powercreeped-ness of WE and LC so that its all balanced and still be deadly as hell.

Both ways could work.. :P

Xyon the Greatest · May 05, 2009, 11:20 PM // 23:20

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Originally Posted by lutz

Please never post on any forum ever again.

So I spent 2 hours creating that post and you say that, you are the rudest person I have ever seen.

Bowstring Badass · May 05, 2009, 11:25 PM // 23:25

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Originally Posted by Xyon the Greatest

So I spent 2 hours creating that post and you say that, you are the rudest person I have ever seen.

Your post was bad anyway.

Xyon the Greatest · May 05, 2009, 11:28 PM // 23:28

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Originally Posted by Bowstring Badass

Your post was bad anyway.

Hey, I know that Anet won't actually change it to that, but it was just my idea i put out there... You guys won't even appreciate the effort I put in that post?

Bowstring Badass · May 05, 2009, 11:33 PM // 23:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xyon the Greatest

Hey, I know that Anet won't actually change it to that, but it was just my idea i put out there... You guys won't even appreciate the effort I put in that post?

A lot of stuff you posted was just bad. There are more logical ways then just nerfing everything in the meta. Buffing less used elites and giving some power creep to -what the hell is the point in this skill- skills while slightly making the meta skills less powerful.

Like your idea for crip shot would make it more retarded then when it was in the meta in '06. In '06 iirc it was 5e 1sec recharge with 8 second (no scaling) cripple and unblockable. Then it was nerfed. And do rangers honestly need more buffs? I think they deserve a nerf slightly make mel shot 10 sec recharge but lengthen the cripple on it by 2 seconds on the low and high end of it.

kvndoom · May 05, 2009, 11:39 PM // 23:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xyon the Greatest

Hey, I know that Anet won't actually change it to that, but it was just my idea i put out there... You guys won't even appreciate the effort I put in that post?

Well, no, because most of the skills you mentioned aren't even problems in the first place.

My only input is that Spawning Power does not need to be buffed. But it DOES need to be made necessary. Rits are the only class that do not have to invest a single point in their primary to be useful. Being able to fully spec into 2 attributes that aren't their primary is what breaks them. It's the same reason other classes with better energy management can play a secondary rit as well (and sometimes better) than a primary. It's not the function of Spawning Power that keeps it from being used (even though it doesn't do much)- it's the shitty, useless skills.

It'll never happen, but I'd love to see *all* weapon spells moved to Spawning, and redistribute all other skills elsewhere.

Xyon the Greatest · May 05, 2009, 11:39 PM // 23:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bowstring Badass

A lot of stuff you posted was just bad. There are more logical ways then just nerfing everything in the meta. Buffing less used elites and giving some power creep to -what the hell is the point in this skill- skills while slightly making the meta skills less powerful.

The funny thing is how big your brain is.

First of all, the point of buffing the less used skills because they are less used, which means that they are not as good as the other more used skills that are better, which means I am buffing the skills that need to be balanced up. Skill balancer wooptedoo!

Second thing is what the hell is wrong with these random skills that are 4 years old without any update, and are horribly bad now. They need to be updated, or there is no point in having them since no one uses them.

Third off, I have barely touched any meta skills in my post, just a few skills that ARE overpowered.

Thank You and have a wonderful day!