Curse

Stoella · May 27, 2009, 06:37 PM // 18:37

We have the Ritualist with daggers, that deals alot of damage, but isnt really good because it has only damage.

Now, how about a warrior that spikes hard with daggers ?
Idea is from a BB build, from which I thought it could be better with a warrior, and after this I changed the elite for more kd.

Try not to bitch "Dagger on a warrior ! lolz !"

Strength 6 +2+1
Hammer 12 +1
Daggers 12

Zealous daggers.

[Devastating Hammer]; [Flail]; [Crushing Blow]; [Falling Spider]; [Horns of the Ox]; [Falling Lotus Strike]; [Blades of Steel]; [Resurrection Signet]

Okay, and I have problems showing the build since it's my first time using this. This build works wonders, spikes hard, can make mini spikes, and has a low cooldown.

What else ?

Showed this build to a guy from vK and he created a character only to test my build, thanks to him I gained faith in it.

lutz · May 27, 2009, 08:18 PM // 20:18

Hi, my name is 2 pips of energy regeneration.
How are you?

Gift3d · May 27, 2009, 08:20 PM // 20:20

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Originally Posted by lutz

Hi, my name is 2 pips of energy regeneration.
How are you?

oh hey my name's falling lotus strike, what's up?

legacyofkain85 · May 27, 2009, 08:25 PM // 20:25

If u want to run a dagger war i suggest something like this:
lead attack,of hand attack,dual attack(of your choice),warrior's endurance,flail or burst of aggression, and 3 more skills of your choice.This is a pve build,because warrior's endurance got changed back to a stance in pvp ,that means no ias,and lets face it u shouldn't even run a dagger warrior in pvp.U should also want something like 12+1+1 strength and 12 dagger mastery.

Stoella · May 27, 2009, 08:26 PM // 20:26

I edited things :

Zealous daggers
Hammer +1

This has no energy issues.

Thing is, this is strong in pvp. Think of it as BB, you dont need so many attributes to be effective.

lutz · May 27, 2009, 08:30 PM // 20:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stoella

I edited things :

Zealous daggers
Hammer +1

This has no energy issues.

Thing is, this is strong in pvp.

Not really. You literally can't do anything unless your Dev gets off, and if it's blocked, you have to c-space until it's charged again. You have no extra adrenaline gain mechanics, so Dev is going to take forever to charge, no speed buff, and no bulls to help you stop people from just running away from you.

You're basically a backbreaker sin with less energy management, less damage, and a shorter knockdown.

This bar is extraordinarily fragile, which is why it won't fly.

Stoella · May 27, 2009, 08:41 PM // 20:41

You have two 3sec knockdowns, and you have double dagger attacks to gain adrenaline faster. And you have bigger damage than a BB sin. Energy is fine, just test.
And BB sins dont take dash in arenas.

The only downside is the kiting against this.

To reply simply ... with a BB sin, unless your BB gets off, you just have to attack until having enough adren. Except here, this amount is lower.

Reverend Dr · May 27, 2009, 09:16 PM // 21:16

You missed the Warrior's endurance meta. It was very possible to run a dagger warrior with burst of aggression and it worked surprisingly well for a gimmick.

Taixen · May 27, 2009, 09:18 PM // 21:18

Looks like it should be fun, prefer playing Warriors as Warriors but hey, it's much better than the strange, strange things you see when Combat Z-Quest is RA

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Stoella · May 27, 2009, 09:24 PM // 21:24

I mean ... think of it as a BB sin, with a bit more universality. Here. It is not a warrior, so dont expect to bull's people or anything, it's just a sin with 80-100 armor.

If anything to make it better, say it

maybe another stance.

Helix Dreadlock · May 27, 2009, 09:29 PM // 21:29

Try putting in SY or whirlwind attack if it's for PvE

Stoella · May 27, 2009, 09:32 PM // 21:32

It's for pvp >.< I put flail because there are much kds, and you can chain 3 kds in a row (flail 9sec), but you can run tiger stance for example, or frenzy.

kedde · May 27, 2009, 09:39 PM // 21:39

I did that with hammerbash on a sin and ran AoD for my elite.
It was fun for shits and giggles in byob and ab back then.

Icy The Mage · May 27, 2009, 09:44 PM // 21:44

Your 3s KD of Dev Hammer will mean they will still be KDed when you hit them with horns, but not with your second falling. Here's how it's done (if it's not bad enough already);

[Backbreaker][Flail][Falling Spider][Nine Tail Strike][Falling Lotus Strike][Blades of Steel][Enraging Charge][Resurrection Signet]

Stoella · May 27, 2009, 09:50 PM // 21:50

Icy, please test it before hand.
Just bashing your buttons, you quarter knock your target with horns.
You can also hit the 2 falling skills one after another if the target is close to his mates to skip horns.

Seraphim of Chaos · May 28, 2009, 12:01 AM // 00:01

no utility no care

Kerwyn Nasilan · May 28, 2009, 12:36 AM // 00:36

Major Strength rune? No bad

Jeydra · May 28, 2009, 01:54 AM // 01:54

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Originally Posted by lutz

Not really. You literally can't do anything unless your Dev gets off, and if it's blocked, you have to c-space until it's charged again. You have no extra adrenaline gain mechanics, so Dev is going to take forever to charge, no speed buff, and no bulls to help you stop people from just running away from you.

You're basically a backbreaker sin with less energy management, less damage, and a shorter knockdown.

This bar is extraordinarily fragile, which is why it won't fly.

I think it's a fun bar for RA probably, but the weaknesses pointed out by lutz here - all serious - means it won't make it as a top-tier build. I personally can't imagine a melee character without either a shadowstep or a speedboost for example ...

Still with Dash instead of Res Sig it could be a viable bar to replace Backbreaker Sins wherever Backbreaker Sins are used (HB?).

Stoella · May 28, 2009, 02:11 AM // 02:11

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no utility no care

BB sins have no utility, so, no care ?

Quote:

I think it's a fun bar for RA probably, but the weaknesses pointed out by lutz here - all serious - means it won't make it as a top-tier build. I personally can't imagine a melee character without either a shadowstep or a speedboost for example ...

Still with Dash instead of Res Sig it could be a viable bar to replace Backbreaker Sins wherever Backbreaker Sins are used (HB?).

The lack of speed boost is all I can think of, when I think about big drawback compared to other builds. Even like that, it's pretty ... and strong. I'm sure it could be used in places like HA or the likes : strong spike that recharges in 12sec and that allows 3 kd (first dev hammer, horns, and in the end of the chain (=7 attacks) another dev hammer) straight can't be so bad.

So, maybe for HB ? (HA ? *hopes* as everyone is bad and has bad positioning)

Greedy Gus · May 28, 2009, 02:37 AM // 02:37

DAGGER WARRIOR

Way of the Empty Palm
Burst of Aggression
Golden Phoenix Strike
Horns of the Ox
Falling Spider
Twisting Fangs
Power Attack
Res

Horns rules under stonefists.