Curse

Lorekeeper · Nov 17, 2007, 12:31 AM // 00:31

I call it part deux because i remember a similiar thread being made by JR concerning the state of the HA forums waaaay back in the day. But this needs to be said again.

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10095766

The HA forum is failing epicly... posters are getting posts continually deleted... threads are being locked... Nurse tells me several posters are close to being banned for their displays of immaturity.

If you want to post something, or reply to someones posts, do so with some level of respect, if you find this hard to understand go have a brief look at the discussions in the GvG forum or the Gladiators Arena forum... look at the threads that consists of hundreds of posts... look at the way discussions happen there. Do you see many thread being locked because posters are being idiots? Not many. Most threads that get locked are done so in order to help people find the most up to date discussions. Notice the nature of posts in those forums? Theyre a whole lot more civilised compared to the garbage you find in the HA forum. You wanna know why HA is dead? Take a quick look at the HA forum... its a clear indication of what HA is. Hardly any of the people who post in the GvG or GA forums post here...

You think reviving HA is just a matter of changing mechanics all the time... but you guys always have something to whine about... you act like children who want to have fun playing with their favourite toy and become monsters when it gets taken away from you. Well if you continue acting like that and posting the way you guys post on this forum... things will never improve.

Threads will get locked... posts will get deleted... people will get stern privates messages from the moderators. This is a public forum, where a decent level of civilty is expected... this is not some schoolground playground where you can say what you want however you want.

Stop with the outright flaming... stop with the constant whining... post constructively... argue reasonably... support arguments with logic not with capital letters and expletives. Nurse asks you all to do this in almost every thread that gets created... yet almost every thread that gets created requires so much censorship its simply unacceptable.

You guys need to take a good hard look at this forum and compare it to others...

and tell me you think it will be good for things to continue the way things are...

Nurse With Wound · Nov 17, 2007, 01:17 AM // 01:17

Great post Lorekeeper, really nothing more to add. Sadly, the forum is only as good as the posters writing in here. HA forum year ago was a pretty decent place, but during last year most of the HA guilds, and old players left the game and in conclusion, forums as well. Those people were among the best in here.

It's easy to see why the forums are in a sad state - posters lack the experience and maturity to discuss the issues in polite and non offensive way. All that is posted in here is just incomprehensible babble, arguments that fail the basic principles of logic and rude, immature flames. Halls are like that as well. 90% of current HA players are gimmick spiritway/ heroway farmers, and it reflects the state of the forums. Those people are trolling it, derailing every thread there is, flaming, posting utter bullshit that makes my eyes bleed and moderating a pain. Virtually every thread gets hijacked, trolled to death to a point when moderation is no longer possible, and the only solution is to close it.

Also HA is stale atm. There are no new builds, no new maps no new strategies. Meta is stale and boring. There's nothing serious to talk about ( all the updates discussions are taking place in main glad's section). Also, HA population is smallest ever, 2 IDs (max), compared to 4-5 ids a year ago its not even a half.

To summarize, unless the intelligence of an average poster in this section will improve , HA part of glad's will be what it is now. Huge pile of shit and epitome of fail.

Start changing the forum from changing yourself. Think , before you'll hit the 'post reply button'

Lord Mendes · Nov 17, 2007, 11:41 AM // 11:41

Why do you think I stopped reading this garbage?

Reading that old thread started by JR makes me sad

The fact that this forum was entertaining last year but is currently a flaming pile of donkey crap is quite upsetting.

Lykan · Nov 18, 2007, 02:15 AM // 02:15

/Agreed

It's sad when every thread here gets locked by the second page (no offense to Nurse, who always does it in a fun and delightful way).
Agrees with Nurse bout the state of HA and its effect here too.

Renowned Spartan · Nov 18, 2007, 03:47 AM // 03:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nurse With Wound

Great post Lorekeeper, really nothing more to add. Sadly, the forum is only as good as the posters writing in here. HA forum year ago was a pretty decent place, but during last year most of the HA guilds, and old players left the game and in conclusion, forums as well. Those people were among the best in here.

It's easy to see why the forums are in a sad state - posters lack the experience and maturity to discuss the issues in polite and non offensive way. All that is posted in here is just incomprehensible babble, arguments that fail the basic principles of logic and rude, immature flames. Halls are like that as well. 90% of current HA players are gimmick spiritway/ heroway farmers, and it reflects the state of the forums. Those people are trolling it, derailing every thread there is, flaming, posting utter bullshit that makes my eyes bleed and moderating a pain. Virtually every thread gets hijacked, trolled to death to a point when moderation is no longer possible, and the only solution is to close it.

Also HA is stale atm. There are no new builds, no new maps no new strategies. Meta is stale and boring. There's nothing serious to talk about ( all the updates discussions are taking place in main glad's section). Also, HA population is smallest ever, 2 IDs (max), compared to 4-5 ids a year ago its not even a half.

To summarize, unless the intelligence of an average poster in this section will improve , HA part of glad's will be what it is now. Huge pile of shit and epitome of fail.

Start changing the forum from changing yourself. Think , before you'll hit the 'post reply button'

1st Bold:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but do we not have ArenaNet to thank for the loss of veterans of the game, and not the "quality of the members"? Older members of the community left the HA aspect of the game because of ANet's lack of "leaving well enough alone." Ever heard of "Don't fix whats not broke" (Yes, I realize this is not proper english)?

2n Bold:

You talk about not offending people in "ones" posts but then you go on to say the meta is bland and you hint at spirit/gimmickway being lame and ignorant...well there's some offensive posting for example.

3rd Bold:

While trying to make a mature post, you proved exactly what is wrong with HA. You contradicted yourself by doing exactly what prompts ridiculous fueds and endless babbling nonsense. So what if people want to farm fame with meta/spirit/gimmickway? Let it be. You're not going to persuade someone to change their build and HA fun by babbling on a forum that many PvP'ers don't even check.

PS:

Just because I don't post often/at all, does not mean I don't read what goes on or decrease my validity at making points.

Edit: 2nd and 3rd bolds got fused but I'll let you deciphre my points.

Div · Nov 18, 2007, 04:20 AM // 04:20

It's pretty sad discussion levels are going down, but when you look at most of the thread openings, they're horrible at starting discussions. I think to have a high level of discussion, we need to have more knowledgeable people start threads.

wuzzman · Nov 18, 2007, 02:44 PM // 14:44

lol. if 90% of Ha'ers were playing IWAY/BloodSpike/Rangerspike a year ago, I guess they are far more intelligent then the Spiritway/Zergway/AoEway players now ^_^.

players start screaming louder about how much "skill" they have and why everyone should be playing "skillful" builds so that everything be "balanced, holy, righteous, ext, ext,". They always forget to add in fun but of course its's "implied". Community went from getting your guild/friendlist group together for some serious HA, to waving your epeen at anyone who sounds or looks like a pugger. With or without Anet intervention, do that long enough and your going to be at this point right now 1 year from now regardless.

TheZens · Nov 20, 2007, 04:23 PM // 16:23

I still check this forum from time to time but the reality is i dont HA anymore and none of the threads for the most part are worth posting in and i doubt that will change much. For me and for most of the people i know who have totally left this game the only difference can be made with Anet changing things specifically in HoH (the current format just isnt fun).

Maybe if changes come i have a shot at convincing them to comeback and reform a guild of some kind and i guess thats why i still come and check things out now and again. I can only hope anet make real changes that give new players and old players a chance to play whatever build they choose without the need for too much being forced upon them by game mechanics.

Right now my only suggestion is for someone who has the time and the inclination to go find all those good threads that have good discussion in this section and are still relevant and maybe PM them to Nurse so that maybe he can put links to them all in a sticky because thats the only way Anet staff can see those threads easily.

Cass · Dec 03, 2007, 01:00 PM // 13:00

What's even sadder is people who did nothing but RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO ritspike and jagged bones come in here and say "yeah lorekeeper, the level of discussion in here has dropped so much omg". GG

wuzzman · Dec 03, 2007, 04:48 PM // 16:48

lol funny how everyone is a jagged bones, ritspiker if they don't agree with lorekeeper ^_^.

Cass · Dec 04, 2007, 09:53 AM // 09:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by wuzzman

lol funny how everyone is a jagged bones, ritspiker if they don't agree with lorekeeper ^_^.

Although not required to farm fame, reading comprehension is key on a forum like this one.

Lord Sojar · Dec 04, 2007, 10:10 AM // 10:10

I typically only troll this forum for discussions, but I must agree, lately... discussions have been nothing but cesspools of grotesque immaturity. Not that Riverside is fairing much better, but you get the idea.

Sha Noran · Jan 02, 2008, 10:38 PM // 22:38

This is a dead thread, but it's a sticky and therefore I thought I would go out of my way and resolve the confusion.

On any discussion forum, there are two groups of people: the people who know what they're talking about, and the people who do not. On most discussion boards, the people who don't know what they're talking about learn how to not suck from the people who know what's going on. On this particular board, there are three distinct problems:

1) The people who don't know what they're talking are absolutely sure that they do, and the people who do know what they're talking about do not receive enough popular/mod support to force the community in general to acknowledge that they are right. Furthermore, the people who do know what they're talking about have a great deal of difficulty being allowed to prove their opinion's worth due to the board's restrictions regarding screenshots and "bragging". Unless an individual is ridiculously well known in-game (i.e. Ensign), they have little chance of being able to win an argument based on the fact that they simply know better than others.

2) Being a PvP board, there is a great deal of animosity between individuals, guilds, etc. that carries over from the game to here. Frequently, a pair of people who are both very knowledgeable completely discredit each other in the midst of civilized debate turned childish bickering, leaving the majority of the community confused as to what the hell is even going on.

3) The game naturally contains a great deal of ever changing variables that make on-going discussion hard, as literally at any time, on any day, everything being discussed in any given thread may be completely moot, or simply wrong. This leads to out-dated threads being referenced in arguments where the discussion that was had is no longer relevant.

Possible Solutions: It would at least help if a sticky thread were created noting the names of veteran forum posters who actually know what they're talking about. If this is not a viable solution (as I'm sure it's not, as being on "the list" would become a massive whine fest that no one wants to put up with), then I would strongly suggest that some new HA Forum moderators are chosen, as the vast majority of legitimate ones that exist already are woefully inactive.

shoogi · Jan 06, 2008, 08:05 PM // 20:05

I'm not one of the old members here but I would just like to say (and I believe that this is the place to say it) that many people here tend to end their posts with comments like "learn how to play the game", "go back to pve", "kkthxbye", etc.
So, to all the people that think it makes them cool-
That crap doesn't add anything to your post, and beside the normal "offending language" business, this is beginning to get annoying. stop that.

newbie_of_doom · Apr 02, 2008, 07:46 AM // 07:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by shoogi

I'm not one of the old members here but I would just like to say (and I believe that this is the place to say it) that many people here tend to end their posts with comments like "learn how to play the game", "go back to pve", "kkthxbye", etc.
So, to all the people that think it makes them cool-
That crap doesn't add anything to your post, and beside the normal "offending language" business, this is beginning to get annoying. stop that.

Sometimes this is true, but usually when those replies are made the OP is really stupid....

Nemo the Capitalist · Nov 06, 2008, 09:10 PM // 21:10

Yes i would apprecite new updates.....but than again im a fan of the old MATH days :P

some variety but the meta gets old after awhile....

Although id never go abck to PvE......EVER

qvtkc · Nov 07, 2008, 03:22 PM // 15:22

"Showing threads 1 to 9 of 9"

I think that says enough about the state of the HA forum.

melandrus elite · Dec 02, 2008, 04:05 AM // 04:05

I posted this in the other state of HA

The state of HA is that it is in a deep coma.

The reasons, in my honest opinion are because of the changes to HoH (capping phailed in AB why would it work here?), and the favor change, which was one of the ways new players came to HA. When all i did was pve i was like wtf boyz in da hood lost favor!!!! Europe!!! oh noes!!! So as someone who wanted my fow helmet I went to HA to take back favor. I only gained 6 fame that night running an oldskool vim (2 BO wars 6 trappers), but i gained a new addiction. I never got the FoW helmet, but i got a wolf and multiple HoH wins with my guild [tls] (later [RiCE]) . Those were the glory days when HoH wins mattered for pve and pvers would send you thank yous for taking the favor. The glory days where with 8 seconds left you kill a ghostly hero and cap the altar ftw. If we could bring back these days HA would have 4-5 ID's again.

Also complaining on a forum really doesn't solve much. I am sending an e-mail to Anet right after I am done writing this, and hopefully if we can get 90-100 emails into Anet's community service they will have to listen. The only way i can see Anet really adressing the HA problem, is showing that it still is alive, and that it can be even more healthy if they make a few changes.

the commnity email:
[email protected]

zling · Feb 24, 2009, 03:56 PM // 15:56

Imho the biggest problem with HA is the whole "fame farming" bull. on the 1 hand it creates PvEish elitism(yes I said it, PvEish not PvPish) on the other hand it uses PvEish builds that are meant to farm, in this case farm dumb players instead of even dumber AI

to fix HA ANet needs to do a couple of things:
the first and foremost is to make a complete overhaul of the fame system if not removing it completely. titles belong in PvE Imho. now I know the gladiator title is also there, which is why TA isnt that much better than HA in the first place...

the second is to change some of the maps, mainly the first 3 but not only them. if done right this will accomplish:
- weakening of gimmicky farm builds that usually succeed only on the first 3 maps.
- give more room for different builds instead of the same skills that show up every single time, be it AoS, SoC, MH, etc
- change the meta entirely, something that hasnt been done in ages

the third is to get rid of heroes! we're talking about PvP not PvE, so please stop giving us more ways to abuse the AI even more, for better of for worse. we already have the priest and ghostly hero in HA and the footman, archers, bodyguards and guild lord in GvG that are being abused way too often. those awful days of splinter+ancestor's for vod NPC slaughter in GvGs anyone?

the fourth is to remove the HoH chest, to help disconnect HA from PvE. if only this foolish zaishen chest could also be removed, would have helped all PvP areas...

just with these few rather basic changes HA should start getting onto the right tracks. this will also affect the HA community which right now suffers from PvE illness. if HA will become an actual PvP arena that is different from GvG but a different high level PvP area than the community will also adapt. of course there are those that wont adapt, those will most likely quit. however with such changes old vets might return as HA will finally be an enjoyable PvP area.

Wish Swiftdeath · Jun 08, 2009, 01:56 PM // 13:56

I don't play HA much but imo the hero title(and emote) is what's stopping HA from turning into TA.

While I don't like heroes they help make HA a little more accessible to people, especially if they are beginners and can't find enough friends.

I know that the aim is to make HA more appealing to PvP'ers but I think that if these ideas were implemented it would only lead to mass exodus from HA and wouldn't do much to encourage GvG'ers back to playing HA.

That's just my opinion on it, feel free to disagree.