Curse

TogoTheTiger · May 12, 2009, 06:51 PM // 18:51

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Originally Posted by Nadia Roark

Color me puzzled: I'm r9. Still, I don't win HoH much on account of my not being a part of any core HA team at present.

Speaking as a PnH (who obviously carries Song) I've actually found it to be relatively useless. Group Leaders seem married to the idea of taking it just in case so I do, but it gets interrupted about 99% of the time, and if it doesn't my Ghostlies have this hilarious habit of doing something super intelligent like dshotting or cyclone ax-ing before he caps. In the three or so weeks I've been back in HA, I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of times SoC+ AoS worked as intended, and even then it hardly guarantees victory. I'd say I start casting song about 80% of the time we're about to cap, it gets interrupted 90-95% of the time, and if it doesn't, it gets wasted on Cyclone Axe or dshot or something about another 66% of the time. In terms of raw functionality, SoC is the most useless skill on my bar by a fairly wide margin.

Funny you should mention that because I had a strat caller last week who told me (as PnH) to take the ghostly to "the middle," which I found curious, but being as I'm not in the habit of challenging strat once called, I complied. I figured maybe the rest of the team would be playing differently, but that wasn't the case. Of course, we lose the match (and I did have the sense to double back to the bottom two altars after about the first 15 seconds anyway) but three guesses and the first two don't count who got called the noob in that situation.

1) My point was not that high ranked players always win halls. It was that if you only have 25 fame, you could not possibly have won halls more than 8 times. And none of those could have been cons. It would have to have been UW skips and 1 win.

2) The whole point I made was that noobs wouldn't know when to use SoC. If you use SoC too early, he WILL use a skill that cancels it. That's all part of knowing when to put it up.

3) "The middle" probably didn't mean the third alter way off to the side. That would mean the middle one. Capping and holding the middle alter is important to scoring more points and thus winning the game. Now if he told you to go cap the other base where another team would have spawned, then it would be his fault.

axe · May 12, 2009, 08:54 PM // 20:54

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Originally Posted by TogoTheTiger

1) My point was not that high ranked players always win halls. It was that if you only have 25 fame, you could not possibly have won halls more than 8 times. And none of those could have been cons. It would have to have been UW skips and 1 win.

2) The whole point I made was that noobs wouldn't know when to use SoC. If you use SoC too early, he WILL use a skill that cancels it. That's all part of knowing when to put it up.

3) "The middle" probably didn't mean the third alter way off to the side. That would mean the middle one. Capping and holding the middle alter is important to scoring more points and thus winning the game. Now if he told you to go cap the other base where another team would have spawned, then it would be his fault.

1) who has 25 fame?

3) Nadia is saying strat caller said cap the middle in forgotten shrines not HoH

Nadia Roark · May 13, 2009, 05:33 AM // 05:33

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Originally Posted by TogoTheTiger

1) My point was not that high ranked players always win halls. It was that if you only have 25 fame, you could not possibly have won halls more than 8 times. And none of those could have been cons. It would have to have been UW skips and 1 win.

Fair enough. I may have misread, assuming you thought I was r1. Still, if I met a r1 who had won Halls 8 times, I think I'd want that mofo in my party! I didn't win HoH until I was r3, and as a WoH monk which I haven't played since.

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2) The whole point I made was that noobs wouldn't know when to use SoC. If you use SoC too early, he WILL use a skill that cancels it. That's all part of knowing when to put it up.

True enough, but it's always struck me that capping the altar (be it on courtyard or HoH) is usually more of a product of random chance than correct skill usage. I know when to use Song, but that doesn't always guarantee a cap and even if it did, capping doesn't guarantee a hold for any meaningful length of time.

It's a tricky skill to use. Because it has a 2 second cast, this can mean that if you use it after the enemy ghost goes down, you might already have a cap interrupted (and thus the other team gains tempo) while you're trying to cast. I will usually try to put Song up when I'm positive the enemy ghostly is about to die; rarely do I wait until he's actually dead and our own cap is in progress. Still, all my precautions are usually moot on account of the fact that any smart interrupter will be sitting on me anyway any time his own ghost is under, say, 33% HP.

I'm no noob and I know when to use Song, but my point is that even with this knowledge, SoC is pretty useless and losing an altar map shouldn't automatically be blamed on the guy who happens to have SoC on his bar. I'm not saying you said that, but a lot of teams seem to take it as gospel truth that as long as they have SoC and can interrupt the enemy ghostly once, their team will cap. This couldn't be further from the truth in practice.

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3) "The middle" probably didn't mean the third alter way off to the side. That would mean the middle one. Capping and holding the middle alter is important to scoring more points and thus winning the game. Now if he told you to go cap the other base where another team would have spawned, then it would be his fault.

See axe's post. If you were talking about HoH to begin with that's my mistake, but you said "if it's 1v1 cap points" which I assumed referred to Forgotten Shrines rather than HoH. Still, you're right in the larger sense that the entire team needs to know the strat in order to win a format like capture points. One guy going the wrong way can really screw the pooch (can we drop this stupid word filter please? I think all of us have heard the F word by now for Christ's sake), moreso than the other formats.

superraptors · Jun 04, 2009, 07:20 AM // 07:20

champ title can easily be acquired more than HA title

in HA u cant guarantee you can make 500 fame a night cause
1. u get ganked
2. ur players are being bad
3. cause ur bad

and champ farming you can guarantee a champ 1 title in 1 night maybe even 2 and all there is to it is:
/resign
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GULF WAR SYNDROME FORUMS

Master Ketsu · Jun 04, 2009, 08:28 AM // 08:28

Haven't HA'd in so long, I have forgotten my rank.

Go me.

Eddie Frenzy Spam · Jun 04, 2009, 01:23 PM // 13:23

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Originally Posted by superraptors

champ title can easily be acquired more than HA title

in HA u cant guarantee you can make 500 fame a night cause
1. u get ganked
2. ur players are being bad
3. cause ur bad

and champ farming you can guarantee a champ 1 title in 1 night maybe even 2 and all there is to it is:
/resign

So tell me then, why isn't everyone running around with r4 champ instead of r6 hero?

I Angra I · Jun 04, 2009, 09:30 PM // 21:30

Why do companies cling to job experience on resumes when hiring?

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Originally Posted by eddie the reaper

So tell me then, why isn't everyone running around with r4 champ instead of r6 hero?

They are, actually.

Ciric · Jun 05, 2009, 06:57 PM // 18:57

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Originally Posted by I Angra I

Why do companies cling to job experience on resumes when hiring?

This.

A r6 player at least knows the meta, the maps, the objectives, some tactics, and has some skill. a r2 probably only knows under world and how to mathway.

Rank after about r9 (maybe 8..) means less and less. After about r10 its insignificant. I know r10 players who are just as good as r8 players, and r10 players better than r13 players, its all about the grind and how you grind after r8 or 9.

Lykan · Jun 05, 2009, 11:20 PM // 23:20

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Originally Posted by eddie the reaper

So tell me then, why isn't everyone running around with r4 champ instead of r6 hero?

Because any pennyless randoms can get together in ha and make a couple of fame a night but CP's are kinda expensive.

Krill · Jun 07, 2009, 04:23 PM // 16:23

Why do people like country music? Nobody knows.

Motoko · Jun 07, 2009, 07:57 PM // 19:57

I think it is the exact opposite. People really don't cling to rank anymore.

Look through any decent guilds that recruit.

They don't give a damn if you are r10 champ r14 hero. The main thing that people look for is past guilds/references.

In pug's in hoh the rank thing probably is true. Someone with a r8 might be completely bad, but he has enough fame for me to think he has seen the maps a few times and knows what to do. I let the run with him decide if he sucks or not.

Having a recognizable name usually helps you out. If I am looking for a pug in halls and I see someone lfg that I recognize from winning halls, I'll probably take him.

Eddie Frenzy Spam · Jun 07, 2009, 07:59 PM // 19:59

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Originally Posted by Lykan

Because any pennyless randoms can get together in ha and make a couple of fame a night but CP's are kinda expensive.

I'm not denying people buy CPs. The point i'm making is that very few people actually have a high champ title that has been bought. (High being 3/4 +) There's a higher number that have lamed it but still nowhere near the amount of people who have lamed in all their fame in HA or have bought fame.

Therefore it is still THE most exclusive and best indication of skill through a PvP title. It's not a hard concept to grasp.

AmoebaInfectionTechnique · Jun 07, 2009, 08:10 PM // 20:10

Fame is an indication of how many times you won a match in HA. Nothing more, nothing less. Rank matters because it's a fair gauge of your HA experience.

Eddie Frenzy Spam · Jun 08, 2009, 02:53 PM // 14:53

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Originally Posted by AmoebaInfectionTechnique

Fame is an indication of how many times you won a match in HA. Nothing more, nothing less. Rank matters because it's a fair gauge of your HA experience.

This, it is a bit more than that though.

I mean I think no matter what you play in HA, if you play it enough and win enough, unless you're completely retared, you're bound to learn at least some of the basic ground skills needed to become a semi competent pvp'er.

TheHaxor · Jun 08, 2009, 03:14 PM // 15:14

champ 3/4 isn't high

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Originally Posted by Gladiator Motoko

Having a recognizable name usually helps you out. If I am looking for a pug in halls and I see someone lfg that I recognize from winning halls, I'll probably take him.

IGN: The Haxor

tibullus · Jun 11, 2009, 05:31 AM // 05:31

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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

The rule remains - if you were good enough to be a R9 player and cared about having R9, you'd have it by now.

Without a rank (or with a low rank) it's very hard to find a decent group and progress through the ranks.

batno_mercy · Jun 11, 2009, 11:25 AM // 11:25

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Originally Posted by II Lucky Charm II

Why cling to rank? you can look into real life. Why do some people go to a low ranked college, middle ranked college, and high ranked college?

I lol'd. Graduating from Sofia (Bulgaria's capital) University, I know at least 5 people that are currently:

1 in Mckinsey
1 in EFTA
2 in EUC
Myself in UN (World Health Organisation)
These were only from my class.

Not boasting, but you have just certified that you are one of the imbeciles that think that university matters. University MARKS matter, apprciations matter, work experience matters, languages matter, PhD in you subject matters. And going to Harvard because you are a perfect pitcher doesnt make you rocket to the top.

It's exactly the same in HA. People think that having "some experience" (= rank) is magic. Lower rank people have all played PvP before going to HA, know their builds well, know how to use them, are more humble and can be told what to do without having their small prides hurt.

So please stop talking about things you know nothing about. When you are a job interviewer and you stop getting your CV tossed about as a basket ball more than an actual piece paper, you may get a glimpse of what humility means. QFT

Shadowspawn X · Jun 11, 2009, 04:27 PM // 16:27

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Originally Posted by Nadia Roark

Something similar happened to me the day I came back, when I tried to get into a party as a PnH. I asked the team leader what he wanted me to run, and he said "PnH Prot" and left it at that. My attempts to divine exactly what he wanted on my bar were met with no small amount of hostility, and I was kicked from the group despite outranking half of them (I'm r9). The team leader was pretty cool about it in PM afterward, but there you have it.

People who do this usually don't know the bar so they can't tell you what it is. They then proceed to kick you to save face.

hurric · Jun 11, 2009, 04:49 PM // 16:49

^ that's not true. When I pug, and I almost always ask the pugs to run the current meta bars. This way it's a bit of assurance for me that they have at least seen/played the bar before and I don't need to explain it to them what to do.

One easy test (beside asking their rank) is to ask them to ping their bar (LC/RC/whatever) and since these bars are so well established, they should already know what these are. If they fail at knowing that, I really don't trust them anymore.

I remember spending 10-15 minutes on a r11 guy to fix his bar and he left midway though the match.

Nadia Roark · Jun 11, 2009, 05:04 PM // 17:04

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Originally Posted by hurric

^ that's not true. When I pug, and I almost always ask the pugs to run the current meta bars. This way it's a bit of assurance for me that they have at least seen/played the bar before and I don't need to explain it to them what to do.

One easy test (beside asking their rank) is to ask them to ping their bar (LC/RC/whatever) and since these bars are so well established, they should already know what these are. If they fail at knowing that, I really don't trust them anymore.

I remember spending 10-15 minutes on a r11 guy to fix his bar and he left midway though the match.

Okay, but the problem was, this was a balanced group. Balanced groups usually run that shitty PnH Divine Favor party healer bar, so asking for "PnH Prot" in a balanced group was sort of odd. Did they mean IWAY PnH prot, or a proper Mo/Me Prot bar with PnH thrown in as the elite?

I prefer the Mo/P prot bar over the divine favor build but I had no way of knowing (without him bothering to tell me) whether "PnH Prot" meant Mo/P or Mo/Me. I would tend to guess he wanted Mo/P but without any other monks in the group at the time it was impossible to tell.