Curse

I Angra I · Aug 31, 2009, 03:15 AM // 03:15

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Originally Posted by Jonas The Keen

Rawr has won a gold cape on 4 guilds, not 3?

1) Rebel Rising
2) The Cape Is A Lie [Trim]
3) rawr extended edition
4) rawr director's cut

They never won gold on Trim.

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Originally Posted by Still Number One

Chaos Capes!!!!

But seriously, why does it need to be fixed? since rating doesn't really mean anything I don't see this as a problem. It might be annoying to lose a lot of rating to rawr when they are ranked 500 and not 1, but it isn't like it really matters if you are rank 100 or 300. You can still play in the mAT if you have QP's and that is really all that matters in today's game anyway.

I think the only people who care are the people who farm free keys off the XTH. Which is down now anyway so uh yeah.

IMMORTAlMITCH · Aug 31, 2009, 06:41 AM // 06:41

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Originally Posted by Asplode

Sounds like someone is bitter

Also...

It's not me being bitter, it's simply a fact.

Wether or not rawr had ulterior motives for not nerfing R/As I have no idea, fact is you seemed to be the only people that were against nerfing them.

Reverend Dr · Aug 31, 2009, 07:03 AM // 07:03

Wait rawr does the balancing now?

ousbique · Aug 31, 2009, 08:44 AM // 08:44

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Originally Posted by Reverend Dr

Wait rawr does the balancing now?

How many months before Rend Enchantment nerf ?

IMMORTAlMITCH · Aug 31, 2009, 10:32 AM // 10:32

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Originally Posted by Reverend Dr

Wait rawr does the balancing now?

They don't do the balancing, they simply delay it and push it in the 'wrong' direction.

(Examples: Rend Enchantments, R/As, Mantra of Resolve, random buffs, Aegis nerf, etc.)

v for Valkier · Aug 31, 2009, 07:38 PM // 19:38

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Originally Posted by Reverend Dr

Wait rawr does the balancing now?

Rebel Rising, the guild notoriously known for running ridiculous builds (absurdly defensive or broken classes), has 12 gold capes, and is the only guild where every one of its members has access to the Balance Forums.

The guild, led by Chop Chop The Panda, who (on the Balance Forums) insisted that R/A's are not an overpowered class and just needed time to settle in so people could find a counter to it, decides to run three R/A's in the finals of the August Monthly Automated Tournament and add yet another gold cape to his collection.

And people wonder why Guild Wars is in such a poor state. =/

Yue · Aug 31, 2009, 08:11 PM // 20:11

Well tbh, they're the only guild where every one of its members has access because the two other guilds where every member had access (dR and DF) both died.

Silent Treason · Aug 31, 2009, 08:32 PM // 20:32

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Originally Posted by v for Valkier

Rebel Rising, the guild notoriously known for running ridiculous builds (absurdly defensive or broken classes), has 12 gold capes, and is the only guild where every one of its members has access to the Balance Forums.

The guild, led by Chop Chop The Panda, who (on the Balance Forums) insisted that R/A's are not an overpowered class and just needed time to settle in so people could find a counter to it, decides to run three R/A's in the finals of the August Monthly Automated Tournament and add yet another gold cape to his collection.

And people wonder why Guild Wars is in such a poor state. =/

So ridiculously true.

Div · Aug 31, 2009, 08:59 PM // 20:59

rawr has a great say in determining skill balances, but I don't think it's fair to completely blame them for the lack of good balance (even though they may contribute to that). But who can blame them? They found a build, and it's human nature that they don't want that build nerfed (especially before they were able to abuse it). Comparing DF to other guilds, they were a lot more in favor of LoD. Similarly, people in dR would be more biased towards tele-dervspike skills.

It's basically a paradox, because the best balancing is achieved by a group without selfish motives or high degrees of bias (or a large enough group that the bias cancels out to some extent, like before). However, to get the most updated and relevant opinions, it is best achieved through people that play in the top tiers of PvP or PvE. I think one thing to control is the degree of bias. As much as we all loved instagib dervspike in dR and wanted to delay its death, I don't think we're ignorant enough to say that it's not OP and people just need time to deal with it. That's what we need today to create "good balance" again.

urania · Aug 31, 2009, 09:29 PM // 21:29

so this is what happens when americans have the majority of say when it comes to balancing?
o:

Asplode · Aug 31, 2009, 09:31 PM // 21:31

You give us too much credit; we aren't nearly smart enough to do anything like that.
Truth of the matter is: we didn't even realize R/A's were good until the day of the monthly, and by then we're like "oh... oh snap we better use this."

Fux · Aug 31, 2009, 10:07 PM // 22:07

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Originally Posted by Asplode

You give us too much credit; we aren't nearly smart enough to do anything like that.
Truth of the matter is: we didn't even realize R/A's were good until the day of the monthly, and by then we're like "oh... oh snap we better use this."

Didnt u just admit that polly had no idea what he was talking about on balance forum? I mean his opinions about R/A without any knowledge. Hm.... really amazing.

Burton2000 · Aug 31, 2009, 10:27 PM // 22:27

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Originally Posted by Fux

Didnt u just admit that polly had no idea what he was talking about on balance forum? I mean his opinions about R/A without any knowledge. Hm.... really amazing.

heh thats epic

lilDeath · Aug 31, 2009, 10:37 PM // 22:37

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Originally Posted by v for Valkier

Rebel Rising, the guild notoriously known for running ridiculous builds (absurdly defensive or broken classes), has 12 gold capes, and is the only guild where every one of its members has access to the Balance Forums.

The guild, led by Chop Chop The Panda, who (on the Balance Forums) insisted that R/A's are not an overpowered class and just needed time to settle in so people could find a counter to it, decides to run three R/A's in the finals of the August Monthly Automated Tournament and add yet another gold cape to his collection.

And people wonder why Guild Wars is in such a poor state. =/

I must admit, this post does make it appear suspicious.. very suspicious indeed.

Can ppl (in privileged positions) really be so petty, self-serving and bias?

I guess going by Divine's post, the answer is yes.

Jatt · Aug 31, 2009, 11:39 PM // 23:39

Damnit Mitch caught us.

THATS why every build rawr runs ends up getting Falcon Punched. Because we control balance. got it.

I'll make sure to add this as a chapter in the rawr novel i'm writing.

Silent Treason · Aug 31, 2009, 11:48 PM // 23:48

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Originally Posted by Asplode

You give us too much credit; we aren't nearly smart enough to do anything like that.
Truth of the matter is: we didn't even realize R/A's were good until the day of the monthly, and by then we're like "oh... oh snap we better use this."

So, without having a solid understanding of R/As Polly said that they shouldn't be nerfed immediately?

Great balance forums ^____________________^

Chocobo1 · Sep 01, 2009, 12:07 AM // 00:07

Remove secondaries. Problems solved.

Iotan · Sep 01, 2009, 12:38 AM // 00:38

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Originally Posted by Asplode

Truth of the matter is: we didn't even realize R/A's were good until the day of the monthly, and by then we're like "oh... oh snap we better use this."

Changes happened on Aug 6. The build was fairly common within 1-1.5 weeks. In every build within 2 weeks (unless you are honorable!!!) Kind of difficult not to notice that build when every game on observe mode contains multiple rassas.

rawr deserved to win the monthly because every team had the same opportunity to use the broken builds. The stuff about the balance forums is messed up though. I'd expect some of the euro gold capes to have access as well.

FoxBat · Sep 01, 2009, 02:27 AM // 02:27

I take them going public about balance changes a month in advance as cutting out or at least diminishing the role of the balance forums. In part because half the time someone from there would go public about the upcoming changes anyway.

Krill · Sep 01, 2009, 03:17 AM // 03:17

I'm just glad we all have been blessed with an extra month of R/A's. Everyone will think back on this and laugh that it was all in good fun, the same sort of fun contracting AIDS is.