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superraptors · Nov 09, 2009, 12:44 AM // 00:44

seriously you dont even need any condition removal in ra

woh, patient, vigorous, cure/veil/spotless, deny hexes, divinespirit, bonnetis and balanced stance = all you need

if your dazed cast vigoros on yourself if you havent already and switch to your shield set

also have full disciples [+15 condition]

vigoros - bonnetis -> wand = live

condition removal is a waste of a slot on a monk bar in ra honestly, hexes are much more deadlier

guardian is a waste of mana imo, all you need is bonettis practically, useless when dazed and spamming it every 5 seconds to have a 50% chance to block it is a waste while trying to heal

Chocobo1 · Nov 09, 2009, 12:57 AM // 00:57

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Originally Posted by superraptors

seriously you dont even need any condition removal in ra

woh, patient, vigorous, cure/veil/spotless, deny hexes, divinespirit, bonnetis and balanced stance = all you need

if your dazed cast vigoros on yourself if you havent already and switch to your shield set

also have full disciples [+15 condition]

vigoros - bonnetis -> wand = live

condition removal is a waste of a slot on a monk bar in ra honestly, hexes are much more deadlier

guardian is a waste of mana imo, all you need is bonettis practically, useless when dazed and spamming it every 5 seconds to have a 50% chance to block it is a waste while trying to heal

I'd delete this post before anyone see this. No condition removal? You have to think about your allies as well as yourself here, your melee damage needs blind/cripple removed, other casters need dazed and cripple removed and poison on the entire team can be considerable pressure.

Bonetti's is another risky skill to use. It will only ever work against bad players, which there are a lot of in RA but not everyone is going to auto attack you through it.

Divine Spirit seems like a huge waste, I've never had energy troubles with the WoH bar, I'd much prefer to use Sig of Rejuv for a free heal.

Guardian is a great skill. It ruins melee, especially assassins which are found very often in RA. It blocks a lot of damage, and can be used on allies who are getting trained. Often very underrated.

superraptors · Nov 09, 2009, 01:02 AM // 01:02

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Originally Posted by Chocobo1

I'd delete this post before anyone see this. No condition removal? You have to think about your allies as well as yourself here, your melee damage needs blind/cripple removed, other casters need dazed and cripple removed and poison on the entire team can be considerable pressure.

Bonetti's is another risky skill to use. It will only ever work against bad players, which there are a lot of in RA but not everyone is going to auto attack you through it.

Divine Spirit seems like a huge waste, I've never had energy troubles with the WoH bar, I'd much prefer to use Sig of Rejuv for a free heal.

Guardian is a great skill. It ruins melee, especially assassins which are found very often in RA. It blocks a lot of damage, and can be used on allies who are getting trained. Often very underrated.

i always monk like this, no problems what so ever, u obviously dont know what vigorous spirit does, and bonnetis risky? your probably one of those who panic and use it then use another skill right after it, this skill owns and warrior spike in ra, doesnt matter if you have wild throw or not

if it gets wild throw then use balance or other way around, its instant 5 eneryg for 1 block from bonnetis , and auto attack = full energy bar

AND any ranger wif normal human reflex can d shot signet of reju and guardian

divine spirit waste?, you joking?, recast 20 energies worth of vigorous on the whole team for 4 energy?

spam about 4 patients 5 wohs? for less than 10 energy in 10 seconds

or a signet that can only heal about 75-150hp every 8 seconds, you tell me whats more worth it?

and not to mention your melee must be bad if they dont have some sort of kd on there bar

Ewon · Nov 09, 2009, 01:02 AM // 01:02

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Originally Posted by superraptors

seriously you dont even need any condition removal in ra

woh, patient, vigorous, cure/veil/spotless, deny hexes, divinespirit, bonnetis and balanced stance = all you need

if your dazed cast vigoros on yourself if you havent already and switch to your shield set

also have full disciples [+15 condition]

vigoros - bonnetis -> wand = live

condition removal is a waste of a slot on a monk bar in ra honestly, hexes are much more deadlier

guardian is a waste of mana imo, all you need is bonettis practically, useless when dazed and spamming it every 5 seconds to have a 50% chance to block it is a waste while trying to heal

so I should just let my melee run around blinded?

anyways, thanks for the help guys. A few of the tips have helped me greatly. I was more or less play pretty badly and had some bad teammates who just ran off and did their own thing. One BHA ranger did screw me over still thought. Mainly because he had a water ele slowing me and a R/A training my rear. I sorta panicked and fell on my face.

I did later on have a ranger who helped out with condition like you guys have described, so that was nice.

Now I just need to deal with the random sins/wars over extending and "lol noob monk"ing that goes on.

Thanks again, almost g3 now ^^

superraptors · Nov 09, 2009, 01:07 AM // 01:07

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Originally Posted by ZoakaEwon

so I should just let my melee run around blinded?

anyways, thanks for the help guys. A few of the tips have helped me greatly. I was more or less play pretty badly and had some bad teammates who just ran off and did their own thing. One BHA ranger did screw me over still thought. Mainly because he had a water ele slowing me and a R/A training my rear. I sorta panicked and fell on my face.

I did later on have a ranger who helped out with condition like you guys have described, so that was nice.

Now I just need to deal with the random sins/wars over extending and "lol noob monk"ing that goes on.

Thanks again, almost g3 now ^^

no your melee should have rune and blind shield - why waste 5 energy every 2 seconds when it only last at most 3-5 seconds?

IninefingersI · Nov 09, 2009, 01:12 AM // 01:12

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Originally Posted by Another Child

Wow, lotta people here who never got hit by BHA.

People say they don't but they do .... all the time. BHA is easy to slip against rangers who just lob it up in the air and pray for a hit ... but against a ranger that knows how to use it, its a real bastard.

kosh · Nov 09, 2009, 01:44 AM // 01:44

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Originally Posted by superraptors

no your melee should have rune and blind shield - why waste 5 energy every 2 seconds when it only last at most 3-5 seconds?

because mr.genius timing is everyting in life.

and removing condition when your meele is about to strike a kill but they are blind can be winning or losing a match. monk bar w/o con removal is fail.

why do you even bother post staff like that?

as ppl prob stated your best chance is mending touch with 40/40 under a stance.kitw ftw.

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this made me laugh btw "spam about 4 patients 5 wohs? for less than 10 energy in 10 seconds " gg diversion, strip,kd and what not. how can u give tips on monking when your idea of healing is pushing red bar up?

gg.

jaximus · Nov 09, 2009, 01:50 AM // 01:50

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Originally Posted by bungusmaximus

Monking in RA can be hard because you can end up with shitty teammates that don't help you, so it isn't always your fault.

always keep this in mind. sometimes it is your fault, but when you have horrible people on your team, even the best fail sometimes...

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Originally Posted by superraptors

also have full disciples [+15 condition]

this is a huge help, the less damage you take, the better vigorous becomes

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Originally Posted by superraptors

guardian is a waste of mana imo

i personally dont bring guardian in ra either when i monk. yes its a very good skill, but then you need to spread your atts a bit more, have more +1 runes, and its not as energy efficient as woh/patient. without the att splitting, you can use more vitae with full disciples + defense mod on your martial and have hps + armor. i do feel bad sometimes if i get a vor/backfire mez on my team and the ranger against us doesnt suck and i hear him getting rupted, im sorry

i bring condi removal (dismiss condi) and with vigorous up on all your teammates you get a tiny bit of barpush too

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Originally Posted by superraptors

your melee should have rune and blind shield

oh so true

btw the bar i use is [OwEU043AzaS8F1EpFTfbaNgaE+DA] bonettis, holy veil, dolyak sig, cure hex, dismiss condi, patient spirit, woh, vigorous spirit. 12+1+1 healing 9 divine, 9 tact, 3 prot, full disciples, 3x vitae, sup vig. 590hp on def set, 560 on casting sets. it holds up great against everything ive come across. special thanks to fable

Mad Lord of Milk · Nov 09, 2009, 04:05 AM // 04:05

Pin down ---> daze
good day

superraptors · Nov 09, 2009, 05:48 AM // 05:48

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Originally Posted by kosh

because mr.genius timing is everyting in life.

and removing condition when your meele is about to strike a kill but they are blind can be winning or losing a match. monk bar w/o con removal is fail.

why do you even bother post staff like that?

as ppl prob stated your best chance is mending touch with 40/40 under a stance.kitw ftw.

edit:
this made me laugh btw "spam about 4 patients 5 wohs? for less than 10 energy in 10 seconds " gg diversion, strip,kd and what not. how can u give tips on monking when your idea of healing is pushing red bar up?

gg.

back to HA wherever u come from, just to let you know, no one is dumb enough to spam when there versing a diversion mes.

you know what a kd does? it disables them from doing shit all, kd the blinder and he cant do anything for 3 seconds, knocklock him, how is he going to blind you then?

your willing to sacrifice 2 skills slots for mending touch [draw + mend] 10 energy to remove one condition?, draw 3 times and ur down 1/3 of ur energy

if you want to play remove conditions of your allies, play pnh, but guaranteed you will get rolled by pure dmg

the idea is too keep your team mates alive which is keeping red bars up

good job you just helped me prove my point

ra is srs bsns

thank god.. jaximus atleast a person who understands

I Jonas I · Nov 09, 2009, 06:34 AM // 06:34

Daze can be problematic.

Here's what I do to cope with it:
- If you I'm on a Mo/W I just spear whatever is attacking me with vig spirit on to build adrenaline for bonetti's. use sig of rejuv and patient spirit to keep yourself and your allies alive until daze wears off. Wait until you see their ranger use BHA or their assassin start his combo or whatever, then use bonetti's to block the dazed. Win.

- If I'm a Mo/A just run away. use dark escape, return, etc. if there aren't too many people wailing on you, switch to your prot staff and try to mend touch the daze off yourself. Cancel mending touch until you get a half casting time on it. Win.

To be honest I find a good burning arrow or magebane ranger more of a threat than a broadhead arrow ranger. Like BHA can be avoided or dealt with in clever ways, but there is no going around good poison spread and well-placed interrupts.

Darth The Xx · Nov 09, 2009, 07:59 AM // 07:59

Im seeing a lot of people recommending -40% daze. Who honestly runs this? You are so much better off with a +10ar insc on your shield and a vitae rune or something on your armour.

The thing with daze is, it only works once. As soon as you know someone on the other team can daze you it loses a lot of effectiveness as most are sooooo easy to counter.

Beguiling? just keep moving and the sin shadowsteps to you, but cant follow through with a chain.

Spear Swipe? If you see a paragon running towards you its kind of obvious what hes about to do.

BHA? I would investigate the use of the keys E and Q (strafing)

Skull crack? don't let the war interupt you.

Headbutt + PTouch? Lol I won't even bother with this one.

Fevered Dreams? Pre-Veil

Very simple solutions to a very simple problem

Cantos · Nov 09, 2009, 09:37 AM // 09:37

Shield Bash the Broadhead Arrow. Shield Bash the Spear Swipe. Shield Bash everything forever.

kedde · Nov 09, 2009, 10:38 AM // 10:38

It's not like you can't dodge a BHA from point blank range.
They have the same arc as snowballs which can also be easily dodged at point blank, even when holding a present which accounts for theoretically being crippled.

You should be able to survive being hit by the daze once, and then not be retard enough to not avoid it afterwards. It's not that difficult.

Revelations · Nov 09, 2009, 11:56 AM // 11:56

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Originally Posted by superraptors

seriously you dont even need any condition removal in ra

woh, patient, vigorous, cure/veil/spotless, deny hexes, divinespirit, bonnetis and balanced stance = all you need

if your dazed cast vigoros on yourself if you havent already and switch to your shield set

also have full disciples [+15 condition]

vigoros - bonnetis -> wand = live

condition removal is a waste of a slot on a monk bar in ra honestly, hexes are much more deadlier

guardian is a waste of mana imo, all you need is bonettis practically, useless when dazed and spamming it every 5 seconds to have a 50% chance to block it is a waste while trying to heal

TA is gone buddy.

The reason guardian wasn't run on TA metabar was Bonetti's, Reflexes, or Return on every character. You also had something of a guarantee that your players weren't utterly godawful, and would kite off some of the damage. Faint also helped mitigate physical pressure enough to not need guardian. You also don't have a feastbot, so weakness/crip is going to completely destroy your frontline. DW is also going to stick and add some nasty pressure.

Unless you really enjoy hanging round waiting for a cursebitch on your team, then running no guardian or condi removal in RA is just retarded. RA isn't TA, try a different bar.

Lux Aeterna · Nov 09, 2009, 02:03 PM // 14:03

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Originally Posted by superraptors

you know what a kd does? it disables them from doing shit all, kd the blinder and he cant do anything for 3 seconds, knocklock him, how is he going to blind you then?

War stays blind, you lose.

I've lost too many rounds due to being blind spammed past my 40% antiblind and having the monk simply ignore it even without being under serious pressure, leaving me unable to get a hit or build adrenaline for the entire round.

Play against a bsurge or blindspam rit sometime if you think 40% antiblind is enough by itself.

Bobby2 · Nov 09, 2009, 05:30 PM // 17:30

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Originally Posted by Lux Aeterna

War stays blind, you lose.

I've lost too many rounds due to being blind spammed past my 40% antiblind and having the monk simply ignore it even without being under serious pressure, leaving me unable to get a hit or build adrenaline for the entire round.

Play against a bsurge or blindspam rit sometime if you think 40% antiblind is enough by itself.

Shock the Blind skill, build adren, DChop the Blind skill, profit.

I do confess it looks easier than it is.

jaximus · Nov 09, 2009, 06:10 PM // 18:10

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Originally Posted by Bobby2

Shock the Blind skill, build adren, DChop the Blind skill

exactly right. this is why i prefer axe to hammer in ra as lux aeterna and i have previously discussed. with axe you get the rune + the shield inscription for anti blind and shock and d chop! usually within the first match or two you can tell if your warrior is worth his salt or not and if he is, then he/she will make it their goal to make the b surge their bitch. once they do you dont have to worry about cleaning the blind and its gg.

with that being said, yesterday i monked in ra just to see how bad the daze was and of the 24 in a row (died on 25 cuz i dropped the wrong veil and ate backfire

) i only came across daze once, and that was a spear swipe para to which i just kept on spearing as there was no pressure against my team, and the next time he ran up i just hit bonettis and blocked it.

then after that i responded by playing a spear swipe para to see what people did to counter it. a lot of people stanced after it and tried to cast through it without triggering the hct, mostly they got interrupted and died shortly after, a few used return right after and got to safety, a couple of the better monks just kept on spearing through vigorous with a patient or two between hits and kept their team up for the most part (or stanced as i was swiping so a few got blocked), and a few just panicked and tried to spam while dazed and fizzled all their energy away.

IronSheik · Nov 09, 2009, 06:27 PM // 18:27

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Originally Posted by jaximus

axesrocksohardomg

I have to agree, axes are better with utility, but nothing funner than qknocking and ending the life of something in one chain

How did this turn from dealing with daze to qchopping bsurge anyway?

Another Child · Nov 09, 2009, 06:28 PM // 18:28

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Originally Posted by Bobby2

Shock the Blind skill, build adren, DChop the Blind skill, profit.

I do confess it looks easier than it is.

You're counting on predicting the ele. Sure some are pretty predictable but I bet you miss more than you hit.

HCT alone means you have only a ~.3s margin for error in predicting when he is going to bsurge. If you can predict every bsurge to within .3s, sure, good plan, tell the monk to forget condition removal.