Originally Posted by nightschroud

the majority of the players wanted it gone , so they did , that was their upgrade
and you can have your opinion , but then at least direct it to the people where it matters , talk to anet , not post it here on this forum to QQ and wanting it back .... , and how do i ruin the game for you guys , while i just try to enjoy the game as much as i can , instead of QQing about everything that happens ? seriously explain that to me .....

Originally Posted by nightschroud

its gone ... you want it back = QQ .... that simple

but still its dfinetly not plausible to ressurect hb , anet has its hands bussy with gw2 so much , it hardly has time to care about gw1 anymore ..... so to bring back something that the majority of people wanted to get rid of , devinetly isn't gonna happen ^^

and admit .... HB was pve inside pvp -_- , you want to go around gank other people and cap shrines go HA or AB for that matter , you want to be with hero's go pve

Originally Posted by Thevil King

you are hungry....you want food but there isnt any in the fridge=everybody QQ everyday....

and like i said before, if anet wants to establish the kind of pvp atmosphere that they claimed they do, deleting game content and ignoring problems is not the way to go in any case. so its not a matter of gw1 gw2, its a fundemental question of how to establish this desired atmosphere for pvp. if not done right, what failed in gw1 will certainly repeat its failure in gw2.

and HB was not pve in side pvp, please actually know what you are talking about first. if you did not play enough HB to know what is going on, then please dont make stuff up out of your wild assumptions.

Originally Posted by Garet1337

you are here trolling a thread that doesn't even matter to u, please explain that to me? and why make this instead of going to a-net? To actually something to give to a-net, if i tell them I want HB back that isn't saying much but to show them that a good portion of the GW comunity want's it back... now that's something

Originally Posted by nightschroud

and this thead totally shows the will of the guild wars community -_-

and it matterrs to me , cause the other opinion is also needed here , or aren't i allowed to share my opinion =P ?

Originally Posted by nightschroud

and this thread really represent the guild wars community , oh yes it does ... -_- , and trust me i had my fun in HB aswell , i got r6 from casually playing it and without RR , but i don't care if its gone , it was fun sometimes , but its gone now , big deal , guild wars is big enough -_- , besides PvP = player vs player .... so the concept of hero's there was alrdy a crime against guild wars

Originally Posted by Garet1337

no u said ur opinion, now ur just here trolling on what everyone else says and that's what i've got the problem with..... I agree gw has a fantastic pvp format, one of the best in many games. But there is always room for improvement

Originally Posted by distilledwill

TBH HB was as much PvE as ANY other form of PvP in guild wars. The only way PvP could avoid incorporating any PvE elements would be to have 2 teams in an entirely blank and flat arena just fighting against each other.

PvE is player versus environment.
The shape of the landscape and HA, RA, GvG, HB etc etc drastically affects whether one person holds an advantage over another - this is even more evident with the more active landscape elements (eg, the catapult in gvg, the tar pits in RA) which can drastically affect play. It is PvE.

The NPCs found in GvG, HA, RA etc etc etc etc are another obvious example of PvE in PvP.

Similarly, often kills gained by physical attackers are helped along by whether or not the person achieves a critical hit - this is based upon luck, not player skill (outside of the increased chance given due to certain skills/higher chance with a higher point distribution). Luck is, therefore, relatively external to player input, it is, therefore a product of the player environment (as created by the rules of the game). It is PvE.

HB was an example of where you must deal with player(s), his allied NPCs and the landscape in order to win. Just like every single other PvP form in guild wars.

Originally Posted by Andrew Dunne

Firstly nightschroud if you dont care about HB why are you making the most posts in this thread? Secondly very few people play GvG, (I dont know but I would guess not as many as HB and TA put together) so by your logic that should have been removed. As I have explained before NO ONE who doesnt play HB cares if it exists or not, (unless that icon annoys them so much on their screen and in which case its still there for CA). Those who played it liked it or would have stopped, (well I hope people dont hate something so much and then play it). The only reason people complained was the RRing, which would be gone.

However on the other hand the reason it was removed was nothing to do with this but to give CA a chance to have enough players, basically the arenas had too few people and CA/TA would have been in direct competition anyway. Please note getting a title really means a lot to someone who pvps nightschroud, (if you didnt note the sarcasm then here it is for you).

IMO anyway they should have introduced a version of HB, since heroes are removed from the rest of PvP HB would have been as it was designed to be completely unique, it is the only part where you can control multiple people, (barring pets and minions) outside PvE and was good fun to play with short matches and no need to setup with others, (or play with random PuGs who dont know what they are doing). One thing that they should do is introduce heroes into CA, then it would be a combination of TA and HB, add in a shrine or two. For those who want to play with people, they will probably win, (and yes I know Hero AI is exploitable and needs to be fixed a bit but the exploits are less noticeable in a 4v4 situation and a reasonable group should be able to split far better than heroes ever can). Would create an interesting atmosphere as a mini GvG almost rather than a copy of RA, (as most groups are PuGs with no more organisation than RA). It would also give people a chance to practice GvG and improve making that more popular in the long run, (or at least cant hurt to try and make what GW PvP is meant to be about more popular again).

Originally Posted by Andrew Dunne

Firstly nightschroud if you dont care about HB why are you making the most posts in this thread? Secondly very few people play GvG, (I dont know but I would guess not as many as HB and TA put together) so by your logic that should have been removed. As I have explained before NO ONE who doesnt play HB cares if it exists or not, (unless that icon annoys them so much on their screen and in which case its still there for CA). Those who played it liked it or would have stopped, (well I hope people dont hate something so much and then play it). The only reason people complained was the RRing, which would be gone.

However on the other hand the reason it was removed was nothing to do with this but to give CA a chance to have enough players, basically the arenas had too few people and CA/TA would have been in direct competition anyway. Please note getting a title really means a lot to someone who pvps nightschroud, (if you didnt note the sarcasm then here it is for you).

IMO anyway they should have introduced a version of HB, since heroes are removed from the rest of PvP HB would have been as it was designed to be completely unique, it is the only part where you can control multiple people, (barring pets and minions) outside PvE and was good fun to play with short matches and no need to setup with others, (or play with random PuGs who dont know what they are doing). One thing that they should do is introduce heroes into CA, then it would be a combination of TA and HB, add in a shrine or two. For those who want to play with people, they will probably win, (and yes I know Hero AI is exploitable and needs to be fixed a bit but the exploits are less noticeable in a 4v4 situation). Would create an interesting atmosphere as a mini GvG almost rather than a copy of RA, (as most groups are PuGs with no more organisation than RA).

Originally Posted by nightschroud

i don't care about it , i just bring in the opposed opinion , cause there are definetly lots of people who would also agee with me ...

and i know pvp people want their titels , thats again something that the player base ruined , cause everything is based on those titels =P

and introducing heros in CA would just bring more grief , the only sollution to make CA remotely fun , would be to randomize it like RA ( i know ill get a comment on this =P ) cause even know CA is alrdy like TA only with limited skills -_- , still the same dead thing

Originally Posted by Andrew Dunne

I must say I agree with randomising it because the elite players will win if put together and most others randomise anyway. Only thing with that is then RA would have to be removed, and A-Net would have to have removed EVERY low-end PvP arena for CA which they wont do, (unless you count AB, JQ but they are fundamentally different). Problem also is you would have to wait far too long to get enough healers, really it needs a randomised function where it puts together classes but that would be very complicated, (I guess).

Not sure how heroes would cause grief, the odd PuG would fail to understand how to cap shrines effectively and lose to heroes, (although Im suggesting shrines give bonuses but never kills/points) meaning that the PuG would just be fighting at a slight disadvantage. Any good organised group would split against heroes and kill them, (just ask any sin from HB how many times they took down Dunkoro/Ogden/Talkhora whilst walking to a shrine without stopping to heal themselves unless the person does it for them).

Ultimately I think there should be a CAHB and a CA but with limited players I thought combining them would make it better.

@King yes they really should have tried to fix HB, RR lasted about a month before they realised how to stop it even though all they needed to do was to remove the quest.

@Gareth thanks

Edit: Giving everyone 10ke would do nothing as all prices would just increase to match, all it would do is give a boost to those with multiple accounts. However I do think that something which requires no time, (slight alterations or re-introducing old code cant take long), has NO negative impact, (apart from a few players leaving other PvP arenas) and which benefits people should occur, giving ectos impacts economy, RR impacts economy, SF impacts economy, (for good and bad but thats another topic), HB doesnt really, if you, (or anyone) can give reasons why HB would damage PvE/PvP to ANY significant degree then yes I would oppose its re-introduction, if not I support it.

Originally Posted by Andrew Dunne

Edit: Giving everyone 10ke would do nothing as all prices would just increase to match, all it would do is give a boost to those with multiple accounts. However I do think that something which requires no time, (slight alterations or re-introducing old code cant take long), has NO negative impact, (apart from a few players leaving other PvP arenas) and which benefits people should occur, giving ectos impacts economy, RR impacts economy, SF impacts economy, (for good and bad but thats another topic), HB doesnt really, if you, (or anyone) can give reasons why HB would damage PvE/PvP to ANY significant degree then yes I would oppose its re-introduction, if not I support it.