Curse

Monkity Monk · Sep 30, 2009, 03:08 AM // 03:08

I dont get my so many people whine about not getting into higher ranked groups/guilds, they wont let me in trimmed gvg guilds, but you dont see me whining about it. its just the way it is, deal with it. if you dont like it dont play it.

Alleji · Oct 13, 2009, 05:07 PM // 17:07

Stop trying to play HA. Just let it die in peace already.

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Originally Posted by axe

Players with rank don't want to play with unranked players for the SAME reason that unranked players don't want to play with unranked players.

Winner!

Adriaanz#Shiro · Oct 13, 2009, 05:51 PM // 17:51

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Originally Posted by Alleji

Stop trying to play HA. Just let it die in peace already.

also...
Winner!

Don't discourage people from playing, please.

For the OP, take the more useful advice already given.

Lifestyle · Oct 14, 2009, 05:57 PM // 17:57

I'm sick of all the people saying he shouldn't even try. If he want to HA, that's what he does. He just needs to know how to start. Then why the hell don't you tell him that instead?

To OP: Grow some balls, a nice attitude, and be nice to people. Then, begin searching for a guild either by asking in HA, gtob, w/e, or use the guild recruitment forum. Alternatively, start your own guild and get other unranked players from whatever place you find them.

Put people you like on your friends list and play with them again.

Reverend Dr · Oct 14, 2009, 07:21 PM // 19:21

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Originally Posted by Lifestyle

Alternatively, start your own guild and get other unranked players from whatever place you find them.

Don't do this.

Really this is the worst idea. As fruitless as it is to just keep complaining about "rank discrimination" if you keep trying eventually you will find a ranked pug desperate enough for someone that they will take you, but creating a guild from all unranked players is going to end in nothing but childish rage after 3 hours for a 4 fame run.

Just go to guild recruitment, post that you are brand new to PvP and want to learn, and be honest.

Lifestyle · Oct 14, 2009, 07:41 PM // 19:41

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Originally Posted by Reverend Dr

Don't do this.

Really this is the worst idea. As fruitless as it is to just keep complaining about "rank discrimination" if you keep trying eventually you will find a ranked pug desperate enough for someone that they will take you, but creating a guild from all unranked players is going to end in nothing but childish rage after 3 hours for a 4 fame run.

Just go to guild recruitment, post that you are brand new to PvP and want to learn, and be honest.

Creating a guild would be to find players who might have a nice attitude and might have a few contacts. As you are going to disband in 2 weeks anyway, it's just for adding possible connections to your friendlist.

Why they haven't taken the step up if they have said contacts is another thing though.

But being honest and open-minded is the way forward. Get Vent, a mic, and put up a thread on guild recruitment.

Reverend Dr · Oct 15, 2009, 02:09 AM // 02:09

The attitude of the players you get through grabbing unranked is going to be terrible, with matching ability.

Any of these that have a decent attitude and ability have already been grabbed up and are not interested in joining your guild. When they do join and there are 5 people in it, they will leave the next day.

In modern GW it is simply not possible to start a guild without a core or connections already made, trying to start a guild to create those connections is backwards, won't work, and will make you hate the game.

It really is the worst idea posted in this thread.

Xiaxhou of Trinity · Oct 15, 2009, 03:11 AM // 03:11

mmm that's the way I've started my two guilds Reverend Dr.

First guild worked out great, we did lots of PvE together and even got a GvG team going...but that was more than a year ago, before recruiting and making friends/connections became so hard.

The guild I lead now has awesome members, we VQ areas together and have a lot of fun maxing titles. Starting a guild to create connections and meet a goal is a viable, albeit hard, option.

After I get People Know Me, I'll start recruiting people for HA. Rank-Blind for recruitment. As long as a player is cooperative and listens well, rank means jackshit. Sorry for my language. PM me if you'd like to join, IGN Sacred Avatar ^^

Arcole · Oct 15, 2009, 03:43 AM // 03:43

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Originally Posted by Xiaxhou of Trinity

PM me if you'd like to join, IGN Sacred Avatar ^^

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/f...play.php?f=265

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Reverend Dr · Oct 15, 2009, 12:58 PM // 12:58

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Originally Posted by Xiaxhou of Trinity

but that was more than a year ago,

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Originally Posted by Reverend Dr

In modern GW

Back then I ended up in a pretty good guild by spamming HA "terrible player looking for likewise group."

Nerf Me Haha · Oct 15, 2009, 07:16 PM // 19:16

Do some pugs, get to know some ppl, maybe earn r1, look for HA guilds recruiting in the outpost etc.
I'm not r3 yet, but thats what I'm doing and it's working, but only if you have the attitude.

Del · Oct 16, 2009, 04:19 PM // 16:19

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Originally Posted by Nerf Me Haha

Do some pugs, get to know some ppl, maybe earn r1, look for HA guilds recruiting in the outpost etc.
I'm not r3 yet, but thats what I'm doing and it's working, but only if you have the attitude.

QFT

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erk · Oct 20, 2009, 12:02 AM // 00:02

I don't play HA very often, but I remember when I started I looked at the builds in obs to see what was popular, saved a few and joined some PUG's. Within a few weeks playing every now and then I had my "Bambi", I don't recall it being very hard to get a game. Just look for what people are asking for and roll it, make sure you have vent and are UAX or have a stack of balth ready. Display some sort of PvP title so they can tell you are not a noob. If you don't have any PvP titles then why are you going straight to HA! Go and get something like a few ranks in Gladiator title first and it shouldn't be a problem.

bungusmaximus · Oct 26, 2009, 09:51 AM // 09:51

Organised PvP takes a lot of time, it can be a bit sore for casual players who spend their money on GW, but meh, one can always stick to more low-profile formats.

axe · Oct 26, 2009, 02:41 PM // 14:41

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Originally Posted by bungusmaximus

Organised PvP takes a lot of time, it can be a bit sore for casual players who spend their money on GW, but meh, one can always stick to more low-profile formats.

This is VERY VERY TRUE!!!

Organized PvP is VERY difficult for the casual gamer indeed. I have been playing HA off and on for 3 years now and the ONLY way I could make it work as a casual gamer (flist would be dead after each break I took) was to form my own teams, and build up an flist each time I started back up.

Guilds dont necessarily work out because they either have core's established or they play at different times than you will.

One thing that I would like to add is that each time I restarted I would make unranked/low ranked teams and just start flisting anyone that I thought was good. It wasnt till I hit R8 that I noticed any difference in skill between ranks, in other words anything less than R7 was not much different than pugging an unranked player, but once I hit R8 there was a HUGE difference, likewise if you are fortunate enough to play with R11 players things get VERY consistent.

One of my favorite memories was pugging an unranked team during Legoway meta. I wanted to try the build because I hadnt played it before, so I rolled a Derv and pugged the rest, I was calling spikes on DIAL UP!! and we were going 5-6 consecutive wins each run. Those guys went on flist and we got fame together.

I guess it all depends on how dedicated you are. If you are a casual player like me (I play 2-3 hours a session and probably 3-4 nights a week) you must be willing to put in an initial effort to make an flist, puging is NOT a long term solution, so you should only pug while building an flist. If you think standing around for 1-2 hours (out of your 3 hour playtime) and then disbanding on zaishen or UW sounds like a good idea, then be lazy and watch the party search window.

If you really want to make HA work, you must be social, form your own teams, flist good players and LEADERS!! and try to get the same group of people together each time you play. TAKE SCREENSHOTS!! you will have your full party list on the screenshot and you will know who played what position, etc..

Play wiki builds for the most part and remember that pressure builds work better for PUG teams (Hexway, IWAY, SFway type builds) spike builds are hard/impossible to pug unless your caller knows the meta and the maps well. Granted you can successfully pug R9+ teams but anything less is going to be tough, so build an flist

Xenex Xclame · Oct 26, 2009, 04:52 PM // 16:52

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Originally Posted by Borat_Best_Player

For starters:

There is no such thing as rank discrimination. Discriminating someone means you treat them differently even tough they're similar to everyone else. (Hence, racism)

A Black soldier, however, is NOT the same as a white soldier. You have not been white, so you can't say you deserve to be put at the same level of humanity as a white person

Put yourself in a white soldiers position: Would I RISK taking this black soldier, who I don't know, who I have never fought with before and who eventually might loose us the war?

That is exactly what discrimination is...

Discrimination:treatment or consideration of, or making a distinction in favor of or against, a person or thing based on the group, class, or category to which that person or thing belongs rather than on individual merit: racial and religious intolerance and discrimination.

So, Treatment of a person based on the group,class, or category to which that person belongs to rather then on individual merit.The unranked person belongs to the unranked group.

So when you ask for R3+ you ARE discriminating against the unranked,because the only reason you are not taking the unranked is because they are unranked.

A person that has been playing GvG for the last 3 years and took the time to read the wiki and ask his friends for tips and strageties, may be just as good or better then a R10 5 year HA veteran.

Don't go saying there is no rank discrimination in HA because thats BS.
Even so that should not mean that the op and people in the same "group" as the op wont get a group or wont ever get R3 etc.

As a unranked player you should not expect to get a spot on a R9 group,you start slow,get into randomway groups you get into gimmick groups and do whatver they tell you,even if your job is to die and remain dead so the minion factory gets to do his job and the Iway wars can leech of your body.

Killed u man · Oct 27, 2009, 03:33 PM // 15:33

^

I obviously mean NEGATIVE discrimination. There is NO negative descrimination in HA, only positive. (You know, the good kind)

Once upon a time, there was this firefighter squad. They needed 1 more firefighter, and thus they held a "contest" amongst people who signed up for firefighter duty.

A black person, and a white person signed up for this firefigher contest. After the contest (tests), it turned out the white person completed every test perfectly, whereas the black person struggled alot.

So they took the white person to fill in the last firefighter spot, because when these firefighters went out every day, risking their lives, they want the best person who can have their back.

This isn't racism. This is positive descrimination. They didn't select the white person because he's white, they select the white person because he clearly was better.

The same way I, and other "high ranked" teams take high ranked people.

DO
U
UNDERSTAND
NOW?

Perfected Shadow · Oct 28, 2009, 11:49 AM // 11:49

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

The same way I, and other "high ranked" teams take high ranked people.

So when you have an open spot for HA, you hold trials open for anyone to join so you can observe their skill first?

I didn't think so.

vinoth · Oct 28, 2009, 05:36 PM // 17:36

Why would a high rank team take a low rank if a lot of r10 lfg's are floating around ? Its got a bit of supply and demand.

Typically i only make if i have 5 people from my friends list that are available and i tend to make quality iways. I dont often use vent unless its got 3 + pugs.

You need to prioritize which positions you need to pug to get the most from your team. In a balance build scenario, would you pug a monk or the ele? Would u want to pug a warrior who cant kill/bad calls? Similarly, any team leader should prioritize who the best person for the job is. I cant speak extensively from a balance perspective because i do not make the such builds, but the principle will apply.

In my Iway, i only have pug spots for monk and 2 wars, and only those. Having a pug play any other of these roles would end in team disband after uw. if i pug the monk, i have to take him on vent to explain to him a few points.

Criteria for pugging , If its a warrior i need. Typically i take people depending on supply/demand. If its during peak time, i tend to look for r10 +.

1) How much fame did u make with war. If its less than 6k = auto kick. He has the option to lie and stay in. But i can tell by the time taken to finish UW if he lied or not.

2) Take your team mates opinion. They might tell you that he sux, or that he has no experience playing war as he does r-spike or b-spike or plays mesmer. Then its up to you, to judge the person. If he is from a top guild, he is likely to play more than one build. But the decision is yours. If your team mates respect you as a good leader, they will accept your decision final.

3) If its dead hour and u cant find any. Take the r7. But always ask him a question. What do u do on relic run, if you are part of the run group? - is my standard question. Most fail this but some surprisingly pass, so they get to go on a run with me.

4) If a person takes longer than 15 seconds to reply to a simple yes/no question. He automatically sux. I tend not to care when they pm me after my boot, saying OMG i went to toilet etc. ( i question them as soon as I take them to team).

5) try to remember people who you know definitely suck from past experience irrespective of rank. Do not take such people. You are better of giving someone else (in many cases a lower rank player), a chance.

6) If you feel that your team will take long to form, tell your pug that u only expect to go in after 20-30 mins. Your other 4 ppl from f-list have confidence in your groups and know the wait is worth it. This will prevent rage when you are 7/8 and cant get the last person.

7) If you get beat by someone else in 1v1 annhilation, split or relic run. They are better than you and you will benefit from having them. I got beaten by Hups last 3 times when i ran with very competent people, so i will gladly give a chance from anyone in that guild. At the same time, you dont want to get someone from unb to play war. ( i think they are the only formidable R-spike in the game). I would gladly take one on for ranger.

8) If you think someone is good and you really need to get them in your team, offer them gold. I tend to give 7 sigils occasionally to get a person who is on another team to come onto mine.

Note, at dead hour, you can pug anyone and still get to HOH cuz all the teams at that time are bad. I once had 3 people on, pugged 5 people and won hoh (just barely) agaist a team holding for god knows how many runs in HOH 1v1 relics. Just goes to show, All teams are compromised at that time so you can compete with any team with pugs.

The only way to keep your future groups alive isto seek potential now. Therefore, pug a player here and there. Eventually people in your f-list might stop playing. You need pugs to fill their spots. So pugging is crucial to identify new talent.

My best pug was a r7 who showed immense potential and i consider him to be the best best person ive had to date.

I play with a 11 inch laptop and use mobile internet, and take 1 min to load each map. yet, I get consistent hoh wins on 6 consecs +. I play backline. My success is attributed to my friends list and the way i pug.

Hope this helps.

shem · Oct 29, 2009, 03:41 AM // 03:41

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Originally Posted by vinoth

I play backline. My success is attributed to my friends list and the way i pug. .

Your success is attributed to iway. Its ok, you can admit it.