Curse

urania · Dec 08, 2009, 09:21 PM // 21:21

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Originally Posted by IMMORTAlMITCH

I knew it might have been sarcasm but this is still guru, people post shit like this here all the time and are serious about it.

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Originally Posted by Krill

Very much so, those who worked hard to earn their titles RTL'ing in RA, exploring the fringes of Tyria, etc. deserve a fair chance. There is a vast PvP elitist conspiracy to keep the little guys down and frankly it sickens me. >>>>>>>>>>>/s<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

damn, mitch, you're getting old.

at talania, you're dead, remember?

Krill · Dec 08, 2009, 10:51 PM // 22:51

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Originally Posted by ChaosWarrior

Everybody has as much chance to win.

Studies show half the players will still lose

But if you're inferring CA is more fair, i.e. less experienced players have more of a chance, that's simply not the case. In TA if you wanted to win there was always an easy way to lame. CA is more difficult to lame, short of playing extremely defensively and hoping you get a lucky kill when someone is yawning. Sometimes it reminds of the very early days of the outpost arenas when flare warriors would spend 5+ minutes desperately trying to score a kill.

Chocobo1 · Dec 08, 2009, 11:37 PM // 23:37

Would rather play HB by a mile than play Codex. I miss you HB, come back to me! I take back everything I said :(.

Talania Vulcanclaw · Dec 09, 2009, 10:15 PM // 22:15

Yup agreed and all the players saying how much they prefer the idea of CA don't even play it.

@ Urinal - lol still mad?

kedde · Dec 10, 2009, 02:01 AM // 02:01

Pretty sure preferring one thing over another doesn't imply that you necessarily play that preferred thing.

It simply means that if forced, they would rather choose a CA style gameplay than HB.

The Arching Healer · Dec 10, 2009, 12:59 PM // 12:59

HB wasnt even as dead as this shit, anet made a big mistake

Oh wait that isnt big news

own age myname · Dec 10, 2009, 01:18 PM // 13:18

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Originally Posted by Talania Vulcanclaw

Where are all the PvErs that were getting excited about playing Codex before it arrived?

There is no RA Codex, that's why.

The Arching Healer · Dec 10, 2009, 01:31 PM // 13:31

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Originally Posted by own age myname

There is no RA Codex, that's why.

CA was there to replace TA, not RA.

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Just delete this arena and giev HB back please

Vazze · Dec 10, 2009, 07:36 PM // 19:36

Bringing HB and TA back would be just even more wasted dev hours.

From official wiki:
"No. There are no plans to bring back TA. The devs understand that a some players were attached to TA and enjoy TA more than CA, but that format is not coming back. --Regina Buenaobra, 00:18, 9 December 2009 (UTC)"

But IMO it would make sense to close CA temporarily, its present state is just bad advertisement for any "future CA" (if a fix is even remotely possible).

own age myname · Dec 10, 2009, 09:31 PM // 21:31

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Originally Posted by The Arching Healer

CA was there to replace TA, not RA.

Doesn't mean they can't put a RA version of CA in the old TA outpost.

MMSDome · Dec 10, 2009, 11:03 PM // 23:03

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Originally Posted by Vazze

Bringing HB and TA back would be just even more wasted dev hours.

From official wiki:
"No. There are no plans to bring back TA. The devs understand that a some players were attached to TA and enjoy TA more than CA, but that format is not coming back. --Regina Buenaobra, 00:18, 9 December 2009 (UTC)"

But IMO it would make sense to close CA temporarily, its present state is just bad advertisement for any "future CA" (if a fix is even remotely possible).

SO this means they might bring back HB?!

I really wish they would so I could start playing the game again.

IMMORTAlMITCH · Dec 10, 2009, 11:27 PM // 23:27

Give CA AT/ladder support and I can assure you the playerbase will be 10 times that of HB/TA combined (before they were removed obviously).

urania · Dec 10, 2009, 11:55 PM // 23:55

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Originally Posted by Talania Vulcanclaw

Yup agreed and all the players saying how much they prefer the idea of CA don't even play it.

@ Urinal - lol still mad?

still pretending to be alive, Tanubia?

you're like HB/TA - dead and not coming back. Get that into your head.

and once again for all the misguided HB lovers...look, there's this vast world called pve, the homeland of heroes - go for it.

Sankt Hallvard · Dec 11, 2009, 12:26 AM // 00:26

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Originally Posted by IMMORTAlMITCH

Give CA AT/ladder support and I can assure you the playerbase will be 10 times that of HB/TA combined (before they were removed obviously).

You are probably right. Though I would have preferred a ladder for TA and just a little bit of attention to weed out the obviously broken things.

The main issue about CA for me is that it's simply not a casual arena. It's competitive and it requires dedication if you wan't to get something out of it. First you need to hunt down 3 other people who are willing to dedicate to it. With a friends list that keeps getting smaller and new entries no longer happening that's a problem in itself. Then comes an hour with going over the available skills, switching profession a million times to find out what elites are available, failing a few times to figure out what other people are running and what works and doesn't. Then copying the daily "meta", play one run, people need to go/sleep/eat/toilet/whatever, log off.

It just seems a much more pleasant alternative to go RA, get what friends you can and pug the rest and go AB or even pug HA. Less effort required. I realise this is a lazy attitude and non-compatible with an arena like CA but if many people think like me it explains why the popularity is lower than we all had hoped.

EDIT: Forgot this sentence which I've been waiting to post all day:

I bask in glee over the removal of HB.

FoxBat · Dec 11, 2009, 12:35 AM // 00:35

Even if we figure out how to attach ladder rank to who, I don't honestly see it making much of a difference in it's current state. Did it really do anything good for HB?

ATs starting with a fresh batch of skills would be a different story, although Arena is a bad format for that.

Talania Vulcanclaw · Dec 11, 2009, 01:24 AM // 01:24

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Originally Posted by urania

still pretending to be alive, Tanubia?

you're like HB/TA - dead and not coming back. Get that into your head.

and once again for all the misguided HB lovers...look, there's this vast world called pve, the homeland of heroes - go for it.

I got ressed. Btw I haven't mentioned anything about HB or TA coming back, get that into your head? kthx

And where is the homeland for 24/7 TAers? Dead Arena CA. Go wait for your next match, kid. Ow wait you can go do RA, thats just like TA right since its 4v4 - 4v4 yes! It must be exactly the same since Heroes in PvE - Heroes in HB = The same.

Vazze · Dec 11, 2009, 01:47 AM // 01:47

CA needs a coherent concept not a ladder, until then CA is nothing more than SD: a good idea.

from wiki:
"...The developers are aware that some players dislike CA and they're aware of why. ... --Regina Buenaobra 00:26, 9 December 2009 (UTC)"

To be honest, that kind of confidence scares me when in the same sentence the word "some" is used to describe 99.99% of the population, (assuming the 10 ppl hanging out in CA these days are the ones actually liking it...lol). But lets look at the bright side, she is definitely admitting to having gathered feedback!

IMMORTAlMITCH · Dec 11, 2009, 10:18 AM // 10:18

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Originally Posted by Sankt Hallvard

The main issue about CA for me is that it's simply not a casual arena. It's competitive and it requires dedication if you wan't to get something out of it. First you need to hunt down 3 other people who are willing to dedicate to it. With a friends list that keeps getting smaller and new entries no longer happening that's a problem in itself. Then comes an hour with going over the available skills, switching profession a million times to find out what elites are available, failing a few times to figure out what other people are running and what works and doesn't. Then copying the daily "meta", play one run, people need to go/sleep/eat/toilet/whatever, log off.

It's not that different from TA in terms of non-casualness, yes you might need to look at skills a bit before you decide your builds, and possibly change it if the meta is different than you expect but making builds and outplaying people is part of Guild Wars too.

urania · Dec 11, 2009, 05:48 PM // 17:48

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Originally Posted by Sankt Hallvard

You are probably right. Though I would have preferred a ladder for TA and just a little bit of attention to weed out the obviously broken things.

but for that they'd first have to separate TA from RA then...and obviously the only way for that to happen was to remove TA altogether...

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Originally Posted by Sankt Hallvard

The main issue about CA for me is that it's simply not a casual arena. It's competitive and it requires dedication if you wan't to get something out of it. First you need to hunt down 3 other people who are willing to dedicate to it. With a friends list that keeps getting smaller and new entries no longer happening that's a problem in itself. Then comes an hour with going over the available skills, switching profession a million times to find out what elites are available, failing a few times to figure out what other people are running and what works and doesn't. Then copying the daily "meta", play one run, people need to go/sleep/eat/toilet/whatever, log off.

well, there's a list of all skills available on wiki, so you can save yourself the tedious character swapping at least...and figuring out the builds that work best isnt THAT hard when at least 2 people work on it. Ofcourse, some players will just figure it out faster than others and will end up farming the rest. Or keep on waiting because of No opposing party messages.

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Originally Posted by Sankt Hallvard

It just seems a much more pleasant alternative to go RA, get what friends you can and pug the rest and go AB or even pug HA. Less effort required. I realise this is a lazy attitude and non-compatible with an arena like CA but if many people think like me it explains why the popularity is lower than we all had hoped.

the glory of fail in RA makes me facepalm (especially because most of that fail ends up on my team normally), even more since the anti-synch update...i go there once per month maybe. AB is a good alternative, if the map is right and if one has a few friends to play it with.

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Originally Posted by Sankt Hallvard

EDIT: Forgot this sentence which I've been waiting to post all day:

I bask in glee over the removal of HB.

/joins the basking

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Originally Posted by Talania Vulcanclaw

I got ressed. Btw I haven't mentioned anything about HB or TA coming back, get that into your head? kthx

And where is the homeland for 24/7 TAers? Dead Arena CA. Go wait for your next match, kid. Ow wait you can go do RA, thats just like TA right since its 4v4 - 4v4 yes! It must be exactly the same since Heroes in PvE - Heroes in HB = The same.

you were not rezzed. Its just your ego that hasnt quite followed through into the light (or more likely, darkness). I compared you with HB and TA merely because you are like both of them, just havent quite comprehended that yet. Get THAT into your head, buddy.

Unfortunately for you, i dont care enough about CA (well, the points at least) to bother defending it. All I'll say is it can be fun with good builds, decent mates and at right times, then again it can also plain suck. And?
Now, for once and for good, learn your place. *points at the GW cemetery*

On a side note, hero AI is abused in pve just as much as it was in HB, even if its abused at different things.
Moreover, if you play an online game just so you can play with AI, then you need to have your head examined. Heroes are but a replacement for real players (though the fact stays that they're often superior to an average pve/ra player, but that still does not merit the implementation of HB, for there is an arena which involved real players and hence deserved more attention as opposed to mere AI manipulation and abuse), so creating a whole arena dedicated to them was a mistake doomed to failure. It stil baffles me why it was created to start with - might as well rename GW to AW - AI Wars.

oh and before i forget....

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Originally Posted by Sankt Hallvard

I bask in glee over the removal of HB.

Karate Jesus · Dec 11, 2009, 06:01 PM // 18:01

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Originally Posted by The Arching Healer

CA was there to replace TA, not RA.

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Just delete this arena and giev HB back please

I average around 8-12 "restarted timers" before getting to play CA at all. If TA/HB was so unpopular, then CA is the equivalent to the fat, acne-covered kid who would have been TA and HB's bitch. This is just sad.

Can we just change GW's name to "No opposing party joined. Restarting countdown timer."?